[kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!

robert yawe robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
Thu Apr 12 17:44:04 EAT 2012 

Hi Brian,

On the issue of funding it is unfortunate that we keep confirming Dr. Ndemo's position that all we do is "nataka serikali . . .". 

At the height of the Konza debate I personally proposed that we rally funds together to fund a town hall meeting and also to pay professional producers to capture the discussions both for posterity and to share with those from around the country and the world who could not be present physically.

The funding did not take off but the session took place after a donor come forward, unfortunately the volunteers who did the recording of the session misplaced the tape and so the discussion only benefited those who attended.

We need to become our own NGO and learn to give where no monetary return is expected, tithing does not count as for most of us it is "planting".  The benefit of being able to fund our own activities is that we can remain independent in thought and action.  

Brian, I fully agree with you that we need to develop local funding channels beginning with ourselves but also as we do this lets please apply the technology we are always yapping about and make sure that any such "face to face" gathering will be accessible to all irrespective of where they might be across the world.  It was annoying to see the level of disconnect at Connected Kenya, but it was at least a beginning to have the stream.

So that this issue does not turn to be another talk shop that will give Dr. Ndemo more ammunition to thrush us (has he received the white paper from Michael's committee that was formed at #140Friday?) can Liko of Pesapal please set-up an account for the fund and give us the details so we can put our money where our mouths are as relates to funding.

Regards
 
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya


Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696


________________________________
 From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>
To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk 
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> 
Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012, 15:57
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!
 

If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in KICTAnet "activities".

My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from @Harry.

I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed a particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor to cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads me to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector. Especially as the melting pot for policy debate.

Best regards,

Brian


On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:

Joe,
>
>Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of Media, Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless).  But as you noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode.  That is one reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches...
>
>walu. 
>
>--- On Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru at google.com> wrote:
>
>
>>From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru at google.com>
>>
>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!
>>To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>>Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest collaboration technologies "Google Hangouts" I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to have a representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know many participant on this list are in read only mode.
>>
>>
>>@Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will be a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.
>>
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>
>>Joe
>>
>>
>>
>>On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>
>>>
>>>On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>Harry,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C
>>>
>>>I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and twitter
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Regards 
>>>> 
>>>>Robert Yawe
>>>>KAY System Technologies Ltd
>>>>Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>>>>P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>>>>Kenya
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>________________________________
>>>> From: Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke>
>>>>To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk 
>>>>
>>>>Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> 
>>>>Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55
>>>>
>>>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ara..!
>>>> 
>>>>Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?
>>>> 
>>>>Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-
>>>>·         “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” 
>>>>·         “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being….
>>>>·         “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..
>>>>·         And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”!
>>>> 
>>>>Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!
>>>> 
>>>>Harry
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>From:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Brian Munyao Longwe
>>>>Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM
>>>>To: harry at comtelsys.co.ke
>>>>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!
>>>> 
>>>>I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows.
>>>> 
>>>>Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?
>>>> 
>>>>As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.
>>>> 
>>>>My 2 shillings,
>>>> 
>>>>Brian
>>>>On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>@Wash,
>>>>
>>>>Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate
>>>>and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
>>>>
>>>>Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger dot.commer may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
>>>>
>>>>just my 2pings.
>>>>
>>>>walu.
>>>>
>>>>--- On Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo at gmail.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!
>>>>To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>>>>Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>>Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
>>>>I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>You mean the post-Easter stupor, or??
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>-- 
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>>>>Nairobi,KE
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>>>>e-mail: blongwe at gmail.com
>>>>cell:  +254715964281
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