[kictanet] kictanet Digest, Vol 54, Issue 112

Fri Nov 25 10:48:51 EAT 2011

The lands Ministry should come out clearly to ask for the experts to
assist in implimenting the e-registry that will be automate all
operations/applications to avoid manual things that prone to
manipulations

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>    1. Re: Illegal Titles,	Demolitions and the Land Registry & ICT
>       (Matunda Nyanchama)
>    2. Re: Illegal Titles,	Demolitions and the Land Registry & ICT
>       (Mwangi James Wamae)
>    3. Re: Daylight Robbery along Southern Bypass - Nairobi (Judy Njogu)
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> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 08:47:47 -0800 (PST)
> From: Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama at aganoconsulting.com>
> To: waudo siganga <emailsignet at mailcan.com>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Illegal Titles,	Demolitions and the Land
> 	Registry & ICT
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> Waudo
>
> I hear you.
>
> What I am hoping could happen is clean up as we go along and ensure bona
> fide information goes into the system.
>
> I am told that ICT at our courts are a success story. And this was one of
> the most difficult places I am told. We can emulate this.
>
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> To: Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama at aganoconsulting.com>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 9:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Illegal Titles, Demolitions and the Land Registry &
> ICT
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> Hi Nyanchama - my sense is that compturizing a rotten system does not solve
> anything. You only computerize the rot. The first set is to clean the system
> and then computerize.
> ?
> Waudo
> On Thursday, November 24, 2011 1:25 AM, "Matunda Nyanchama"
> <mnyanchama at aganoconsulting.com> wrote:
> Friends.
>>?
>>I am wondering what is happening at the Land Registry.
>>?
>>With ICT we could have a record of all allocated land titles, make the
>> registry publicly searchable (perhaps at a small fee) so that we can avoid
>> cartels bilking innocent, hard working Kenyans of their life-time
>> investments.?
>>?
>>Anyone know what is happening at the Ministry of Lands?
>>?
>>And couldn't these demolitions be done in a more humane manner?
>>?
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> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:02:45 +0000
> From: "Mwangi James Wamae" <mwangi.wamae at gmail.com>
> To: "Matunda Nyanchama" <mnyanchama at aganoconsulting.com>
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> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Illegal Titles,	Demolitions and the Land
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> Matunda:
>
> It has been a while my brother, hope you're well.
>
> There is, perhaps, a private sector play that is possible here:  Title
> Insurance.  The seller of the land pays to get a "Good Housekeeping Seal of
> Approval" from Title_Insurance_Co, then the buyer pays to get a policy that
> would make her whole in the event of a successful claim on that title.
>
> With all the nonsense going on with Kenyan land I'm surprised this industry
> has not surfaced.
>
> We are not experiencing anything that hasn't occurred elsewhere.  Let's take
> lessons from the real "Wild West".
>
> -Mw
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> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:07:44 +0300
> From: "Judy Njogu" <jgnjogu at Safaricom.co.ke>
> To: "Philip Adar" <philip.adar at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Daylight Robbery along Southern Bypass -
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> Sorry Adar about that. Happened to me off Lusaka Road at 5:30pm a few
> weeks ago. About 5 High School age kids with 3 guns. Took a few laptops
> from a few of the motorists, phones, money, purses. That was before we
> (Safaricom) launched the cloud and you guessed it, my data wasn't backed
> up. We launched the cloud a couple of weeks later. Now I am wiser.
>
>
>
> Judy.
>
> @judynjogu
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> From: kictanet-bounces+jgnjogu=safaricom.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
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> On Behalf Of Philip Adar
> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 1:03 PM
> To: Judy Njogu
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Daylight Robbery along Southern Bypass - Nairobi
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>
>
> Thanks Ken,
> I experienced and survived. Maybe they may be fatal to someone next
> time.
>
> Objective: Let's try to warn as many people as possible. Media can have
> a role to play.
>
> Regards
> Philip
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Chelimo Ken <ken at kenyatelecentres.org>
> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> This is a very scary experience at the hands of youthful robbers. Being
> in the media, I have read and watched many incidents on this bypass both
> happening during day time and at night. Most of the incidents happen on
> this bypass especially behind Carnivore on your way to Mombasa Road.
> Motorists should be extremely careful and police should swing into
> action. I will try to publish this information in the Star newspaper
> where I work on Monday to create  public awareness and make the police
> act promptly.
>
> Ken Chelimo
>
> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 	There was a guys who reported the same story about the same
> bypass either last year or the year before.
>
> 	On 24 November 2011 11:24, Philip Adar <philip.adar at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> 		Who knows when they will ever come calling?
> 		
> 		It is on Wednesday 23rd November 2011, I left office
> (Ngong Road) with another appointment at 6pm in Nairobi West. To make it
> in time, I decide that Ngong road is not fast enough and clearly
> remembers the usability of an alternative "short-cut" route; the
> Southern Bypass. After all, it is still daytime.
> 		
> 		As I take my turn into the Southern Bypass, driving
> towards Langata, everything seems okay. Several on coming cars are seen.
> Actually the road is busy, many vehicles but nevertheless that is good
> for security and some great distances are covered pretty fast.
> 		
> 		One little hill done, then valley, then the next hill is
> approach, actually now mid way along this route. Suddenly, some vehicle
> is spotted parked on the right side of the road, doors wide open. I slow
> down a bit, avoiding to hit onto the doors of the other vehicle. Speed
> is reduced from an average of 100Km/h to 30 or 40Km/h, and the car is
> now positioned for the eventual overtaking.
> 		
> 		Suddenly a youthful Kenyan is spotted doing his nation
> building duties. He is standing in the middle of the road, about 30
> meters away; with a gun in hand; pointing towards the on-coming car. I
> tries a U-turn on this "loose earth" road, impossible on this narrow
> road with deep trenches on both sides of the road . 2 gun shots in quick
> succession are fired towards me; and by now I realizes that the road is
> narrow and the u-turn cannot work at all.
> 		
> 		Cornered, un-armed and frightened, I surrenders and
> obeys. I jumps out of the car and my belly is welcomed flat on the dusty
> murram road. My feet landing directly on the muddy waterway on the side
> of the road. Not comfortable, but in situations like this; instincts
> quickly gathers that you do not complain! My pockets are frisked; the
> car is run-sacked; everything is taken away. out of curiosity I peep
> from under the car over the other sides and immediately notices a couple
> of other private cars (about 5 to 7 in total); occupants (both men women
> of stature); all sharing in my predicament on the surface of the murram
> road. I consoles myself that after all, it will be many murders, not
> just one. Something like this may definitely attract the governments
> attention to these matters of security.
> 		
> 		In a couple of minutes, the youth group (approximately 5
> in total); invites everybody back to their cars as they dash into the
> nearby Ngong forest. In fact they shout thank you's to us for having
> chosen to travel this short-cut road without traffic jams and even
> encourages us to continue using it in the future. We are reminded that
> with no resistance, things can never get bloody...
> 		
> 		Indeed, very nice words for me by now...
> 		
> 		I collects himself from the ground, dusts off a little
> bit, but most of the mud is too stubborn. Luckily, the car engine is
> still running. About 500 meters from the scene, I notices several
> vehicles; private cars and public vans (buses and matatu's) parked on
> the road waiting for the ordeal happening just ahead to complete. Of
> course it is clear that they watched the whole episode. Some by-standers
> (about 10 to 15) as well are spotted by the road side, watching the
> episode.
> 		
> 		As I continue down the road about 2Km from the robbery
> scene, I spots two cops on patrol. I slow down and pulls over to the
> attention of the two cops armed to the teeth, each with an AK-47. I
> narrates the ordeal briefly and the cops asks for a quick ride to reach
> the scene and follow the gun-trotting youths. After all, I have lost so
> much; I agree to drive the cops. The car is now a police response
> vehicle. By now the cops are asking too many questions: How many were
> they?, did they have guns?, I heard some gun shots, was it there!,
> roughly how many people/cars were there? How much money did they take
> from you??? etc. I give rough estimates as we speed towards the scene,
> now beaming with confidence. After all, I am protected with two AK-47's
> (most probably loaded). The cops promises to get something back, if not
> everything, but at least the documents which they are sure will not be
> useful for these youthful Kenyans doing their part in the
> nation-building business.
> 		
> 		After some distance, I pull over and shows the two cops
> the presumed location of the incident, but they refuses to accept this
> location and points to some other location some 500 meters ahead. I
> drives further ahead and actually realizes that I was confused. The cops
> who were about 2-3 KM away from the scene of the incident knows
> better...!!!
> 		
> 		The cops disembark, heads towards the forest and urges
> him to proceed and report the incident at Karen police station.
> 		
> 		
> 		The morale of the true story: The Southern Bypass in NOT
> safe anytime, day or night; with or without the police. Sambaza to your
> contacts. It is not an interesting thing to experience.
> 		
> 		Can media highlight such cases publicly on prime time
> news so that all Nairobians get to know these unsafe places? If someone
> could have died, yes; it could have been on news! We can help others by
> warning tirelessly, without surrender...
> 		
> 		
> 		--
> 		Regards
> 		
> 		Philip Adar
> 		
> 		
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