[kictanet] Korea

[waudo siganga]

Sorry was travelling. Actually my point was that we should NOT compare
ourselves with African countries. Maybe my English is poor.
Waudo

On Monday, November 14, 2011 3:32 PM, "Edith Adera" <eadera at idrc.or.ke>
wrote:
> Good points...that was going to be my response to Waudo. We should set
> the pace and compare with luggards.
> 
> Edith
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
> Behalf Of bitange at jambo.co.ke
> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 3:25 PM
> To: Edith Adera
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Korea
> 
> Dakitari,
> Let us not compare ourselves with African countries.  When Mutai runs a
> marathon, he does not compare himself with other African countries.  Let
> us run our race and help other African countries see the dream.
> 
> Icheon Airport that is 70 kms out of Seoul was a strategic investment to
> create a regional hub and steal business out of Japan and China.  It has
> worked.  Can we develop a Grand Airport in Konza for the same reasons? 
> We are packing transit passengers at JKIA like sadines since it was never
> meant to be a transit.  Can we put private funds into a mordern transit
> airport?
> 
> Ndemo.
> Sent from my BlackBerry®
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "waudo siganga" <emailsignet at mailcan.com>
> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.keDate:
> Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:47:03
> To: <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Korea
> 
> Hi Edith,
> I am also looking forward to the ideas from the P.S. about Korea which is
> without doubt ahead of us. However when you compare to the rest of the
> African countries Kenya is very far ahead. I was in Senegal the other day
> and I never saw superhighways there. Wade spent millions building a huge
> useless statue to set a world record as the largest statue. The Senghor
> airport is dilapidated and opens out onto what looks like a matatu stage.
> It makes JKIA, even without the on-going expansion, look like real
> first-world stuff. There are very few airports in Afrcia with escalators
> (Addis Bole, JKIA and those in SA). Have you seen the airport in Gaborone
> which is like the airstrip in Kakamega? the other day I dropped some
> wazungu's at the new Kisumu airport and they were impressed. In Africa,
> Kenya tuko mbele. take heart from that and let us learn only from those
> who are truly ahead like Korea.
> 
> Waudo
> On Monday, November 14, 2011 11:25 AM, "Edith Adera" <eadera at idrc.or.ke>
> wrote:
> > Bwana Ndemo,
> >
> > It would be nice upon your return from Korea to share in few bullets
> > what lessons you've learnt and what you would implement in Kenya if
> > you became President?
> >
> > I understand that Senegal witnessed rapid development when their
> > President would come back home with innovative ideas from abroad which
> > he would wanted implemented immediately without winding processes of
> > feasibility studies, planning, research etc....some of their
> > super-highways benefitted from this approach.
> >
> > Edith
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bitange at jambo.co.ke [mailto:bitange at jambo.co.ke]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:10 PM
> > To: Edith Adera
> > Cc: bitange at jambo.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> > Subject: RE: [kictanet] Korea
> >
> > Edith,
> > Today we spent some time in Daejeon, the Silicon Valley of Korea.  The
> > city is about 200 Km north of Seoul or a two and half hour drive.  By
> > rail it took us 45 minutes to cover the distance in their 350 Kph
> > super train.
> > It was faster than driving from South B to City Centre at peak hour in
> > Nairobi.  Korea is a country of hills but the highways and rail
> > tunnels run straight since they blast through these hills making
> > driving pleasurable.
> >
> > Even at the breath taking speed, we had a glimpse of their farm lands
> > and rural life.  The rice fields are dry and clear scattered with hay.
> > Here nothing goes to waste as this is what improves on their productivity.
> > Kim who sat next to me tells me much of hay will be animal fodder,
> > particularly for grazing livestock such as cattle  and some will be
> > used to make bloakboards thus increasing retuns to farmers.  For a few
> > minutes I reflected on the waste from our wheat and corn fields that
> > would easily feed the dying livestock in Northern Kenya or safe our
> > trees by making bloakbords.
> >
> > At intervals of about 50 Km there is a city with high rises.  The
> > average size of an appartment is 90 sq m and with two to three
> > bedrooms.  They don't need more than that Kim said.  The average family size here is 3.
> > Fertility rate is 1.1 per woman going by 2010 statistics.  Fertility
> > rate in Kenya from the same statistics stands at 5 children per woman
> > with Central and Nyanza averaging  3 and 6 respectively (the variance
> > between Central and Nyanza is largely due to education of women and
> > not Kumi Kumi as Hon. Shitanda may think).
> >
> > I ask Kim what percentage of their population is urban.  he quickly
> > pulls his Galaxy handset and googles my question.  This is common
> > here.  Nobody seems to know anything.  Google has the answer.  Eighty
> > one percent he says.  We arrive in Daejeon and what strikes you is the
> > amount of rail infrastructure.  The high speed, the slow speed
> > (cheaper with maximum speed of 180 kmh on standard gauge.  Note that
> > whenever our train moves at more than 60 kph, it rolls as we are on
> > narrow gauge) and the goods train.
> >
> > There are 60 research centers but our trip takes us to their National
> > Data Center.  It is a seven floor building measuring 40,000 sq m.  It
> > consumes
> > 240 MW of power and has 1,000 employees on a three shift rotation.
> > They keep their sensitive data here with a back up facility in another
> > city 70 Kms further north.  They are planning on a third facility that
> > would mainly focus on business continuity.  The head of the facility
> > receives us.  He does not speak a single word of English but a woman
> > seated next to him translates about 70% of what is said.  More
> > important he tells us the benefits of automation including the
> > efficiencies that government has created to its citizens and the
> > reduction of corruption in Korea.  He admits that Korea at one time
> > was as corrupt as any of those countries struggling in the TI list.
> >
> > I am foever optimistic that automation will see Kenya eradicate
> > corruption.  Preliminary results are encouraging.  Pre-digitization at
> > Lands Ministry has seen revenue jump from Ksh. 3 billion to Ksh. 7
> > billion.  Once we finish it is estimated that GoK will collect as much
> > as Ksh. 30 billion.  A similar amount will be recovered if we
> > automated our procurement.  The Company registry's revenue are up three times.
> > Judiciary we have not finished yet butthere are positive signs.
> >
> > We left Daejeon at 2 pm for a 3.30 pm meeting with the Minister in
> > Public Service.  There are certainly areas that Korea needs to
> > improve.  In all the meeting I attended, there was not a single senior woman.
> >
> > In this all expense paid visit to Korea, I made one serious arror but
> > a good lesson.  I invited four of the senior people to a dinner
> > sponsored by Kenya (a diplomatic lingua franca).  My bill came to
> > Kuan. 1.2 million or $1,000.  Seoul is EXPENSIVE.
> >
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> >
> > Ndemo.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Bwana Ndemo,
> > >
> > > Wow! what a transformation! how long has this journey taken? what
> > > were the key success factors?.
> > >
> > > For sure, what we need in Kenya is this "feeling of shame"....that
> > > would be halfway to eradicating corruption!
> > >
> > > Edith
> > > ________________
> > > Edith Ofwona Adera
> > > Senior Program Specialist
> > > Climate Change & Water Program
> > > International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches
> > > pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and
> > > Southern Africa
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> > > ________________________________________
> > > From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> > > [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf
> > > Of bitange at jambo.co.ke [bitange at jambo.co.ke]
> > > Sent: 08 November 2011 17:19
> > > To: Edith Adera
> > > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Korea
> > >
> > > I arrived in Korea yesterday for a Global e-Government conference.
> > > ITU ranks Korea as number one in ICT diffusion.  From the airport
> > > you see people walk through with an e-passport using biometrics.
> > > The New Incheon airport is 70 Kms west of Seoul, the capital and
> > > largest city of South Korea with some 11 million inhabitants. It is
> > > one of the largest and busiest airports in the world actually the
> > > world's fourth busiest airport by cargo traffic, and the world's
> > > eighth busiest airport in terms of international passengers in 2010.
> > >
> > > Korea is about 99,000 sq Kms or one half of the Rift Valley Province
> > > of Kenya with a population of 50 million and a GDP of $1 trillion
> > > (Kenya's GDP is about $35 billion).  In the 60's it was largely a
> > > donor recipient country with a GDP less than that of Kenya and more
> > > than 60% of its population below poverty.  They have turned tables
> > > to be a member of the OECD and a donor country over a short period.
> > >
> > > For many years it mostly depended on the USA as its largest trade
> > > partner but over a time they focused their energies on the Asian
> > > Markets.  Its trade with China, USA and Japan in 2010 figures stands
> > > at %190, $98 and
> > > $90 billion respectively.  They import a great deal of food and the
> > > reason why we should not lease our land but use it to improve on our
> > > economic growth.  A Kg of meat here is $100 imported from Canada and Brazil.
> > >
> > > I asked our Ambassador why we cannot sell our meat here.  He says we
> > > do not meat their standards.  This should not be a problem since we
> > > have broadband in most parts of the country that we can keep pace
> > > with the rest of the world in keeping the records especially those
> > > required by various standrds organization.
> > >
> > > Back to Korea.  ICTs are also deployed along the highways making it
> > > easier to go through the toll stations and collecting all the
> > > revenues.  You can get data from government at every hour.  You can
> > > for example know the number of children born in a day throughtout
> > > the country.  There is CCTV practically everywhere.  Crime is approaching zero.
> > >
> > > There is an over supply of affordable public transport via the rail
> > > and bus system all clean and on time.  If you choose to drive on
> > > your own, you are taxed at every new turn you make.  The tax from
> > > the polluters who cannot use public transport is used to subsidize
> > > the energy efficient public tranportation.
> > >
> > > Every child after high school has to go through the Military thus
> > > instilling the discipline required in this competitive world.
> > > Because of such discipline, they do everything very fast.  We were
> > > literaly running behind our hosts to catch up with them.  In the
> > > Newspapers there is a Bank executive who has committed suicide
> > > because he gave questionable loans to friends.  He killed himself
> > > for shaming his family and that he may not have any friends.
> > >
> > > My experience here confirms much of what we have been saying in this
> > > forum.  The problem is how to inculcate such high levels of ethical
> > > standards as well as feeling of shame.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > >
> > > Ndemo.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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