[kictanet] Could this be the next revolution in Africa????

[Rad!]

Regrettably there is absolutely no chance of such a revolution happening in
Kenya. Our democratic, social and political maturity is at an all time low.

People always seem to align when their *immediate* interests are at stake.
Which is why when a Cabinet minister allied to your political party (or
tribe) is arrested that is witch hunting but if a minister from the other
party (or tribe) is arrested then that is fighting corruption.

Or when you think the Ocampo list has guys from the other side "Don't be
vague, let's go Hague" but when the list turns out to contain your guys
suddenly "Ocampo has a political agenda" and "our people are being unfairly
targeted".

There is simply no way such myopic thinking will coalesce around  a grand
objective like agitating for a Government that actually listens to its
people, ensures safety and freedom and deals ruthlessly with graft.

Our politicians know this and milk this day in day out.

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau
<solo.mburu at gmail.com>wrote:

> Methinks, broadly on the Kiswahili proverb, 'Bahati ya Mwenzio
> usiilaie mlango wazi'
> We can't just go the North African states way to push for reforms. I
> think the way we do things here, is not as it's in NA.
>
> We have accepted to embrace dialogue, even with our enemies on the
> other side of the table.... and we don't bother how much tactical
> moves they might want to use, we believe, 'one day, things will be
> better' and that's the spirit here.
>
> But all in all, how many of us access ICT in Kenya, especially the
> rural folks? Mass education is the only thing that can let us go the
> North African States way. Otherwise, we are still a disintegrated
> society, at least to say.
>
> On 31/01/2011, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Gentlemen,
> >
> > I would not be in such a hurry do wish Tunisia, Algeria and Egypt's
> > situations upon Kenya.
> >
> > I would beg of you to do a comparative governance survey on the 3 country
> -
> > and benchmark Kenya alongside them.
> >
> > In essence you will find that the 3 countries have effectively been
> police
> > states for the past 2-3 decades. With all manner of human rights
> violations,
> > no freedom of speech, massive sycophantism (is that a real word?) and all
> > the negative elements of dictatorships.
> >
> > If I read between the lines - might you be claiming that Kenya is also on
> a
> > similar level i.e. dictatorship, police state etc...?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Edwin Onchari
> > <eonchari at lynxbits.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Lordmesh,
> >>
> >> This is the more reason why ICT should be a tool to reverse the
> >> polarization. Kenya not only belongs to all of us today, but indeed to
> the
> >> next generations. If we continue in the current path, there will be
> >> nothing
> >> left for future generations to inherit.
> >>
> >> In mature democracies, political strategists do indeed profile the
> >> electorate, but rarely do they go to the extent that we have recently
> >> witnessed in Kenya. It is this approach from the political elite that
> has
> >> ensured their survival politically and economically! We just need to get
> >> real change, and I strongly believe that ICT is the quickest way to
> >> achieve
> >> that
> >>
> >> Edwin
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> >> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari <kictanet-bounces%2Beonchari><kictanet-bounces%2Beonchari>=
> >> lynxbits.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
> >> Behalf Of lordmwesh
> >> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 7:46 AM
> >> To: Edwin
> >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Could this be the next revolution in Africa????
> >>
> >> Edwin, those are good thoughts.
> >>
> >> Let me be a naysayer, in Kenya, we are so polarized to bring such a
> >> change. The country is divided in half. Some of us will say 'our man
> >> is in power' and fight back any protests. This would be a recipe for
> >> civil war.
> >>
> >> But there was once when we did such a thing, the early and mid
> >> nineties, we took to the streets and called for change. We were doing
> >> well until The peoples process was hijacked by wolves in sheep's
> >> clothing. We have ourselves to blame for selling our children's future
> >> to the wolves. A sigh of relief is that we can change all that through
> >> the plebiscite in less than two years.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Lordmwesh
> >>
> >> On 29/01/2011, Edwin Onchari <eonchari at lynxbits.com> wrote:
> >> > I hope  the waves that are sweeping Egypt; Tunisia and Algeria are
> >> > headed
> >> > south and that ICT has a role in it!!..it might be the solution that
> >> > many
> >> of
> >> > us in Kenya and indeed Africa have been looking for, for such a long
> >> time!
> >> > "The people' taking back their lives! I hope we can do the
> >> > same..desperately!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > E
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
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> > --
> > Brian Munyao Longwe
> > e-mail: blongwe at gmail.com
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> >
>
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