[kictanet] Why It's Wrong For Kenya To Try Pac ifying Angry Bashir-offtopic?
waudo siganga
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Tue Dec 6 19:54:44 EAT 2011
I understand some people would like us to arrest Bashir to uphold
the constitution. Is the constitution there to serve Kenyans or
are Kenyans there to serve the constitution? I do not see
business people agreeing easily with civil society activists. Of
what benefit is it for Kenya to chase after Bashir?
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011, at 07:26 PM, Alice Munyua wrote:
Hi Walu and all
ICTs can not be discussed in isolation
Wish to share this from a global Internet Governance List
"Wikipedia: I know everything!
Google: I have everything!
Facebook: I know everybody
Internet: Without me you all nothing.
Electricity: Keep talking @£*&*& ;-)"
Difficult to discuss ICTs without taking into consideration
electricity, and other basic's and generally human development,
livelihood issues, etc
As for the Bashir discussion, I agree with Makali, that "It is
unfortunate that the government should be speaking out of turn
with our new Supreme Law and the reality of the new Kenya" and
our new constitution. What will happen with ICT related
provisions like Freedom of Information?
Best
Alice
Andrea,
I had thought as much too a while back had been over-ruled. Maybe
we are digressing too much. Indeed I was now beginning to shop
for another ICT list...
Wherease we may not divorce ICTs from regular life (politics,
economics, religion, etc) I really wish Listers could at least
pretend to show the connection with ICTs...whenever they get off
topic.
walu.
--- On Tue, 12/6/11, Andrea Bohnstedt
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Why It's Wrong For Kenya To Try Pac
ifying Angry Bashir
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Date: Tuesday, December 6, 2011, 1:49 PM
Go back to discussing ICT issues on the ICT list? :)
On 6 December 2011 13:44, Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke>
wrote:
What is the way forward....?
Harry
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Bashir
Grace,
Our media too needs to set the agenda right. Much of what
David wrote was
heavily influenced from what he read in foreign media.
Earlier I made a
comparison between what happened in Daffur and in Congo. In
2003 some 5
million people died in the Congo. You may recall the
Banyamulenge
atrocities inside Congo but in spite the fact that there were
indictable
people by ICC, the issue was brushed under the carpet.
Congo is a mineral rich country with a government that hadly
know what is
going on in their country. Some people want it that way.
Below see a quote
from the Financial Times and see why I made that conclusion.
"Given the muted response to the evolving fiasco in Congo,
there is
much less international appetite for outrage, or even for an
accurate
count. Western countries are less enchanted with Mr Kabila
than they
were in 2006, when he won a UN-supervised election, promising
to bring
peace and economic recovery. He has done neither.
But unlike Mr Ouattara in Ivory Coast, Mr Tshisekedi does not
enjoy
significant backing from anyone outside the Congo.
He is his own man. That is one reason a large number of
Congolese
persist in believing that he might turn things round. At 78,
he is
representative of a generation of opposition leaders who
dedicated
decades to the fight against dictatorship. Most, including Mr
Gbagbo
have proved disastrous in government."
You cannot be your own man in Africa if you need the support
of Western
countries. This is a worrying statement and confirms that our
media has
largely failed in setting the African agenda and begin to
influence the rest
of the world.
Virtually all mineral rich African countries are at war from
the west to
central and eastern Africa. Is is a coincident?
Ndemo.
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