[kictanet] Why It's Wrong For Kenya To Try Pac ifying Angry Bashir-offtopic?

waudo siganga emailsignet at mailcan.com
Tue Dec 6 19:54:44 EAT 2011


I understand some people would like us to arrest Bashir to uphold
the constitution. Is the constitution there to serve Kenyans or
are Kenyans there to serve the constitution? I do not see
business people agreeing easily with civil society activists. Of
what benefit is it for Kenya to chase after Bashir?

On Tue, Dec 6, 2011, at 07:26 PM, Alice Munyua wrote:

Hi Walu and all
 ICTs can not be discussed in isolation
Wish to share this from a global  Internet Governance List
"Wikipedia: I know everything!
Google: I have everything!
Facebook: I know everybody
Internet: Without me you all nothing.
Electricity: Keep talking @£*&*& ;-)"
Difficult to discuss ICTs without taking into consideration
electricity, and other basic's and generally human development,
livelihood issues, etc
As for the Bashir discussion, I agree with Makali, that "It is
unfortunate that the government should be speaking out of turn
with our new Supreme Law and the reality of the new Kenya" and
our new constitution.  What will happen with ICT related
provisions like Freedom of Information?
Best
Alice

  Andrea,
  I had thought as much too a while back had been over-ruled. Maybe
  we are digressing too much.  Indeed I was now beginning to shop
  for another ICT list...
  Wherease we may not divorce ICTs from regular life (politics,
  economics, religion, etc) I really wish Listers could at least
  pretend to show the connection with ICTs...whenever they get off
  topic.
  walu.
  --- On Tue, 12/6/11, Andrea Bohnstedt
  [1]<andrea.bohnstedt at ratio-magazine.com> wrote:

    From: Andrea Bohnstedt
    [2]<andrea.bohnstedt at ratio-magazine.com>
    Subject: Re: [kictanet] Why It's Wrong For Kenya To Try Pac
    ifying Angry Bashir
    To: [3]jwalu at yahoo.com
    Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
    [4]<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
    Date: Tuesday, December 6, 2011, 1:49 PM

  Go back to discussing ICT issues on the ICT list? :)
  On 6 December 2011 13:44, Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke>
  wrote:

    What is the way forward....?
    Harry
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    Bashir
    Grace,
    Our media too needs to set the agenda right.  Much of what
    David wrote was
    heavily influenced from what he read in foreign media.
    Earlier I made a
    comparison between what happened in Daffur and in Congo.  In
    2003 some 5
    million people died in the Congo.  You may recall the
    Banyamulenge
    atrocities inside Congo but in spite the fact that there were
    indictable
    people by ICC, the issue was brushed under the carpet.
    Congo is a mineral rich country with a government that hadly
    know what is
    going on in their country.  Some people want it that way.
    Below see a quote
    from the Financial Times and see why I made that conclusion.
    "Given the muted response to the evolving fiasco in Congo,
    there is
    much less international appetite for outrage, or even for an
    accurate
    count. Western countries are less enchanted with Mr Kabila
    than they
    were in 2006, when he won a UN-supervised election, promising
    to bring
    peace and economic recovery. He has done neither.
    But unlike Mr Ouattara in Ivory Coast, Mr Tshisekedi does not
    enjoy
    significant backing from anyone outside the Congo.
    He is his own man. That is one reason a large number of
    Congolese
    persist in believing that he might turn things round. At 78,
    he is
    representative of a generation of opposition leaders who
    dedicated
    decades to the fight against dictatorship. Most, including Mr
    Gbagbo
    have proved disastrous in government."
    You cannot be your own man in Africa if you need the support
    of Western
    countries.  This is a worrying statement and confirms that our
    media has
    largely failed in setting the African agenda and begin to
    influence the rest
    of the world.
    Virtually all mineral rich African countries are at war from
    the west to
    central and eastern Africa.  Is is a coincident?
    Ndemo.
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