[kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public Demand

Thu Aug 11 13:26:13 EAT 2011

Muraya,
I do not dispute anything about the role of church in Kenya's social development.  All I want is that we need to be open minded with respect to religious matters.  I happen to be on the line of fire when people complain about the religious content we receive through electronic media.

We actually need to conduct studies on morality and religion in our country.  I cannot explain how rampant corruption can exists in a country with 90% religious people.  My own hypothesis is that there is no correlation between religion and morality in Kenya.  It is pointless to claim that we are religious and then we steal maize that is meant for the hungry.  We were not able to turn the other cheek in 2007 and 2008 as is expected of religious people.

We must openly discuss this and avoid hiding behind religious fundermentalism.  There is nothing wrong being open minded.  This is what freedom of speech means.  Please do not dismiss the amount of money collected per week from religious organizations.  Find out.  Because if we do agree on this, the resource is a good start for social enterpreneuship by the Church.  We can all help reduce poverty which indeed will please God.

Regards

Ndemo.

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-----Original Message-----
From: "S.Murigi Muraya" <murigi.muraya at gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 10:08:47 
To: <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
Cc: <kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke>; <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public Demand

Daktari,

Very many Churches are now registered and regulated by the Societies Act.

There will always be wolves seeking to tear down churches. If they cannot
control or dominate churches (which oppose their evil ways) they will always
look for a hostile party, usually the Corrupt State, to terrorize churches.

If a church follows what is prescribed for it by Scripture (not by the
Corrupt State run by wolves such as Nero, Hitler, Mussolini, Idi Amin,
Polygamists, etc) it builds up people (morally), schools (intellectually),
hospitals (physically). Were the earliest schools and hospitals in Kisii not
founded by Church Missions e.g the SDA?

I do not agree with much Adventist doctrine but I do not ignore their good
works either.

http://www.eau.adventist.org/kendu_hospital.html

Once or twice a week the media will get a news worthy report from the police
about some wolf in sheep skin sodomizing or defrauding someone. This does
change the fact that thousands of positive activities were carried out in or
by churches that week. The kind of people who do not know about or care to
publicize these positive activities are those who do participate in or care
about them. You do not hear about church leaders and members spending the
week comforting crime victims or cooking for people to weak or sick to help
themselves.

More than 80% of people who attend church (occasionally) do not tithe. Most
people who attend church give offerings - less than 1% of their income, not
tithes. The figures you quoted as church collections are more likely to be
monthly, not weekly.

Like all other people in the world, Kenyans spend more at lodges, wild
parties, bars, night clubs. People must protect their objects / places of
pleasure and will not call for these to be audited.

(:

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 5:32 AM, <bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:

> Muraya,
> There is an African proverb that goes like "if you take cows to a river and
> they happen to have stepped in the river, the assumption is that all cows
> have taken water".  Similarly since most churched do not file audited
> accounts, the assumption is that all of then do not usually do.
>
> Kenyans are suffering in the hands of some churches.  If you want to get to
> my conclusion please sit and watch TV on sunday morning or any evening on
> digital TV.  We must have some sort of regulation.  We receive many
> compaints of many extortions in some of the newer churches.  It is a crisis
> and someone must stand up to help citizens.  Why do we rein in on pyramid
> groups and leave similar extortions in broad daylight.
>
> I must say here that the calm in traditional churches is in some cases due
> to laid down rules that have been there for centuries.  But even them they
> are bleading.  I have been to different churches throughout the country but
> I never missed to hear caution from priests and pastors whenever there are
> collections.  This is because politics has been entrenched in the church.
>  For posterity and to have respectable leadership in the Church, we must
> separate Church and State.
>
> Ndemo.
>
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry®
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