[kictanet] KIXP connectivity

[lordmwesh]

Robert, hold your praises on TESPOK.

Even after praising Fiona, and all the Tespok crew, i dont think they
are very genuine, or keen to embrace single players into the IXP. We
have had so many forums, especially  IGFs, and other Kictanet
moderated forums, and at no single point have we seen the 'grave
isssues' raised by FIONA appear in the public domain.

Is somebody playing PR?

What would be the modalities of establishing a parallel IXP for
private content providers, who can then peer with KIXP since they are
the owners of the internet? Robert, you can be the chairman.

Kind regards
Mwendwa

On 30/09/2010, Fiona Asonga <tespok at tespok.co.ke> wrote:
> Hallo Robert,
>
>
>
> Am glad you now realize that it can be very difficult to play a football
> match with ones legs tied together and the goal sealed because basically one
> can attempt to hop around the field but you cannot kick any ball or score
> any goal.
>
>
>
> KIXP traffic would probably be much, much higher and in return the bandwidth
> costs to all these entities who are developing content and having to go
> through the various arrangements would be lower. It helps to know that
> Kenyan entities that peer at IXPs such as the Oregon Internet Exchange
> Point, London Internet Exchange Point, Amsterdam Internet Exchange Point are
> not requested for a license since the regulations in those countries do not
> require it.
>
>
>
> In a nutshell, Industry is willing and would like to work with government to
> ensure we not only grow local content but host it locally as much as
> possible.
>
>
>
> I don’t know about the KICT Board and to what extent they would be willing
> to work with KIXP to get this done. The Kenya ICT Board and TESPOK have not
> had any discussion around this but it can be explored and we shall share any
> new developments with all.
>
>
>
> The main challenge is with the way regulation is worded and its long term
> implications. In fact KIXP has no problem being licensed so long as the
> license can allow for growth and actual but not perceived development of the
> industry.
>
>
>
> If web developers are all hosting their local content abroad that is capital
> flight to other economies since locally CCK did introduce a Content Provider
> license that anyone interested in sharing their content may eventually have
> to apply for, especially if you were to connect to KIXP.
>
>
>
> The limit on whom KIXP can allow to peer lies with the Communications
> Commission of Kenya and not the Kenya ICT Board. I however, believe it is
> not cast in stone and the consultations that began in 2004 on the IXP
> license shall be re-opened.
>
>
>
> It is our hope that we can be allowed at the very least to kick the ball
> around to any player on the pitch even though the goal post will remain
> sealed.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Fiona Asonga
> Chief Executive Officer
> Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/
> Kenya Internet Exchange Point
> 14th Floor, Bruce House
> Standard Street
>
> Tel: +254 20 2245 036
> Cell: +254 721 713 504
>
>
>
> “Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction
> within the Industry and Government”
>
>
>
> From: robert yawe [mailto:robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk]
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 4:23 PM
> To: tespok at tespok.co.ke
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity
>
>
>
> Hi Fiona,
>
>
>
> Thank you for the response, it helps to clarify an issue so that some of us
> stone throwers can refrain, but that can only happen when we are in the
> picture.
>
>
>
> I believe from this response from KIXP is that the ministry of information
> and by extension the ICTBoard are not being truthful when they keep making
> it seem that the ISPs are refusing to lower their tariffs because they are
> greedy.
>
>
>
> Can the usual culprits please put this issue to rest, we seriously need to
> keep local content local and it is unfortunate if the government is just
> giving lip service to this issue.
>
>
>
> Again Fiona thank you for clearing the issue.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Robert Yawe
> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> Kenya
>
> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>
>
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: Fiona Asonga <tespok at tespok.co.ke>
> To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Sent: Thu, 30 September, 2010 16:05:33
> Subject: RE: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity
>
> Hallo Robert,
>
>
>
> The joining requirements I have shared are based on CCK’s license to KIXP.
> KIXP has been shut down once and we definitely are careful not to get shut
> down again by CCK.
>
>
>
> Incidentally, KIXP is the only licensed IXP in Africa and one of the few
> license regulated IXP in the world with conditions that bar the IXP from
> offering services to non-licensed entities even when it is obvious that
> these entities are providing valuable service that would make sense if
> shared to the public by all peering members.
>
>
>
> If government or rather CCK would be willing to review the several proposals
> TESPOK has so far tabled based on international best practice we would most
> probably be able to get a wider range of service providers into the IXP. At
> the end of the day even government will be expected by the industry to
> operate their IXP as per the similar stringent rules/guidelines that have
> been applied to KIXP. We hope it will not be a case of preaching water and
> drinking wine. I actually think government setting up their IXP and applying
> the same rules that have been applied on KIXP will actually work out well
> for the industry and look forward to it.
>
>
>
> We would love to welcome as may peering members as space can allow but our
> hands are tied.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Fiona Asonga
> Chief Executive Officer
> Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/
> Kenya Internet Exchange Point
> 14th Floor, Bruce House
> Standard Street
>
> Tel: +254 20 2245 036
> Cell: +254 721 713 504
>
>
>
> “Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction
> within the Industry and Government”
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: kictanet-bounces+tespok=tespok.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+tespok=tespok.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf
> Of robert yawe
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 6:29 PM
> To: tespok at tespok.co.ke
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Seems TESPOK does not really want new entrants, Ndemo where is your exchange
> point we need saving or could ICTBoard bankroll the setting up of a neutral
> exchange point I believe at least one of the entrants for the world bank
> funding had such a proposal, I am guessing just incase someone takes this as
> conversing .
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> Robert Yawe
> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> Kenya
>
> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>
>
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: Fiona Asonga <tespok at tespok.co.ke>
> To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Sent: Wed, 29 September, 2010 13:59:07
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity
>
> Hallo Brian,
>
>
>
> The basic requirements for joining KIXP is
>
> 1.       An interested party has to be a licensed operator. That is holds a
> valid CCK issued operator’s license.
>
> 2.       Be willing to abide by the internal TESPOK policies and peering
> code of conduct
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Fiona Asonga
> Chief Executive Officer
> Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/
> Kenya Internet Exchange Point
> 14th Floor, Bruce House
> Standard Street
>
> Tel: +254 20 2245 036
>
>
> “Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction
>
>
>
> From: Brian Munyao Longwe [mailto:blongwe at gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 1:09 PM
> To: tespok at tespok.co.ke
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity
>
>
>
> Hi Fiona,
>
> It might be beneficial to post the KIXP membership requirements on this list
> - just in case there might be others who would be interested in joining and
> may be facing similar challenges to Robert.
>
> Let private sector lead by example with "Freedom of Information" :o)
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brian
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Fiona Asonga <tespok at tespok.co.ke> wrote:
>
> Hallo Agosta
>
>
>
> The link you provided has since been changed but thanks for taking the
> initiative to circulate the information.
>
>
>
> Robert, kindly contact TESPOK off list and you shall be assisted.
>
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Fiona Asonga
> Chief Executive Officer
> Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/
> Kenya Internet Exchange Point
> 14th Floor, Bruce House
> Standard Street
>
> Tel: +254 20 2245 036
> Cell: +254 721 713 504
>
>
>
> “Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction
> within the Industry and Government”
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kictanet-bounces+tespok=tespok.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+tespok <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Btespok>
> =tespok.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Agosta Liko
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:13 PM
> To: tespok at tespok.co.ke
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity
>
>
>
> http://www.kixp.or.ke/index.php?option=com_content
> <http://www.kixp.or.ke/index.php?option=com_content&task=category&sectionid=3&id=23&Itemid=23>
> &task=category&sectionid=3&id=23&Itemid=23
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:00 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>
>> How does one get connected to KIXP and what are the charges, we run a
>
>> website, yes locally hosted, but unfortunately the experience is different
>
>> depending on the ISP the client is connecting from, at times we have noted
>
>> traffic being rerouting through the international link because a
>> particular
>
>> ISPs KIXP pipe is full.
>
>> Regards
>
>>
>
>> Robert Yawe
>
>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
>
>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>
>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>
>> Kenya
>
>>
>
>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>
>>
>
>>
>
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