[kictanet] Commodity Exchange System

Thu Sep 23 18:32:58 EAT 2010

Badru ,

Well said in addition we need to go back to the basics, what is the
defination of a system? most of this systems should not be treated as an end
in themselves and as such a matter of life and death, they are vehicles,
they should be kept simple, Bob, there is light at the end of the tunnel.

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Badru Ntege <ntegeb at one2net.co.ug> wrote:

>  Robert
>
>
>
> Your negative week has a good point.  We are talking about the (NIMBY) Not
> In My Backyard Atitude.  A system that works irrelevant of where it was made
> might have short time value but a system developed by someone who has very
> limited stakeholder value is very costly in the long run.
>
>
>
> So we believe because a system has worked somewhere else it will be
> reliable and better than a home grown product.  That mentality would never
> have created Mpessa—like it or not Mobile Money as we know it world wide
> today was born in Kenya.  The code might have been written elsewhere but the
> real implementation was in .ke region.
>
>
>
> My suggestion is that we embrace the EAC and open up local projects in all
> 5 countries to regional developers or encourage in external bidders to use
> local skills and services as much as possible when they are awarded
> contracts.
>
>
>
> Another way of securing work on big contracts for local developers is to
> make sure that the work permit system for IT staff is refined and emphasis
> on skills transfer for those roles where we are lacking is enforced.
>
>
>
> regards
>
>
>
> *From:* kictanet-bounces+ntegeb=one2net.co.ug at lists.kictanet.or.ke[mailto:
> kictanet-bounces+ntegeb <kictanet-bounces%2Bntegeb>=one2net.co.ug@
> lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *robert yawe
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2010 5:33 PM
> *To:* ntegeb at one2net.co.ug
>
> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System
>
>
>
> Jewish saying
>
>
>
> When they came for my neighbour I said nothing
>
> When they came for my brother I said nothing
>
> When they came for me there was no one to say anything
>
>
>
> This is what this attitude of I do not care where it comes from leads to.
>
>
>
> Have a negative week
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> Robert Yawe
> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> Kenya
>
> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>
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> *From:* Edwin Onchari <eonchari at lynxbits.com>
> *To:* robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> *Sent:* Thu, 23 September, 2010 11:54:13
> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System
>
> Any  innovation does/should go through some beta testing! That said,
> whether the system is developed in Silicon Valley or a backstreet in
> N’Djamena is immaterial. As a user, all I want is a system that meets my
> needs and is priced right
>
>
>
> Edwin
>
>
>
> *From:* kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke[mailto:
> kictanet-bounces+eonchari <kictanet-bounces%2Beonchari>=lynxbits.com@
> lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Andrea Bohnstedt
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:14 AM
> *To:* Edwin
> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System
>
>
>
> Robert, I think you missed my point.
>
> I wear clothes by Kenyan fashion designers, shoes made locally, use mugs
> made here, and I have had all my office furniture made on Ngong Road.
>
> If my locally made furniture is a bit out of shape because the wood wasn't
> dried properly, no harm done. If a trading system messes up, potentially
> massive harm done.
>
> I recall discussions a week or two ago, on this very list, about mobile
> operators' billing and other systems, and how people got very worked up that
> this wasn't working properly. And rightly so. How is this different from a
> trading system?
>
> In conclusion: I honestly don't care where the system comes from. I need it
> to work. That's the beauty of a global economy: you have the choice to buy
> whatever works best for you. If Kenyan companies compete on that level:
> excellent. If they don't - I'll buy from someone else.
>
> Andrea
>
> On 23 September 2010 10:23, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Who had tested the DOS operating system, Windows OS and closer to home
> MPesa/MKesho/PAP?  Even God created Adam and used him as a prototype for
> testing.
>
>
>
> All systems must begin somewhere, at some point there was nothing but did
> the fellows who developed the NSE's ATS system begin with a fully tested and
> proven solution, NO.
>
>
>
> Lets stop belittling ourselves, I got children without having to pass an
> exam on parenting so why do we think that we cannot develop a reliable
> solution from scratch, we are baby cries all we do is complain, complain,
> complain and when an opportunity presents itself we crucify it, stone it and
> finally burn it at the stake.
>
>
>
> This can only be explained with the great words of our mighty President,
> "hi ni u kumbafu" and as interpreted, by one Hon. Michuki, for the
> uninitiated like Andrea "ni mutu ambaye anajua kile anatakiwa kufanya lakini
> anakataa kukifanya, huyo ni KUBAFU".
>
>
>
> We we cannot pull ourselves out of this importation quagmire lets stop
> consuming bandwidth that the ISPs have sworn never to reduce in price.
>
>
>
> Lets all have a good day dressed in our imported suites, using imported
> software, on imported computers and sitting on imported chairs.
>
>
>
> Asimuamushe alielala . . .
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> Robert Yawe
> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> Kenya
>
> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>
>
>
>
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> *From:* Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt at ratio-magazine.com>
> *To:* robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> *Sent:* Thu, 23 September, 2010 9:35:41
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System
>
>
> Hey all,
>
> Both the NSE and a future commodity exchange are trading platforms, and I
> think it's crucial, absolutely crucial, that they have flawless technology
> behind them - look at it from the perspective of anyone who trades on them,
> whether small retail investors (of which Kenya has hundreds of thousands) or
> large brokers.
>
> I actually don't care where such a system comes from, whether it's built
> locally or abroad. But I don't think these are the right places to
> experiment with new systems. It has to be tried and tested and reliable.
>
> Have a lovely Thursday,
> Andrea
>
> On 23 September 2010 09:23, Edith Adera <eadera at idrc.or.ke> wrote:
>
> In other African countries, even where such large projects are outsourced
> to foreigners, twinning is done with local IT firms as a requirement and
> subsequent roll-out to branch offices are done entirely by locals - I'm
> aware of a massive systems deployment within government in a neighboring
> country where such twinning is being done and the system roll-out will be
> done by locals. NCPB is a government agency, correct? If so, the government
> should look inward first!
>
>
>
> Dr Ndemo, any comment? You've always been an advocate of local innovation.
>
>
>
> Why do we have global award winners who can't be tried and tested locally?
> what policy should be in place to encourage local software innovation? The
> argument that local firms are free to competet alongside international firms
> at this stage of our development is a "tired" argument in my view. Some
> "affirmative action" policy may be necessary.
>
>
>
> Edith
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> *From:* kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke[kictanet-bounces+eadera=
> idrc.or.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Mwololo Tim [
> timwololo at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 23 September 2010 08:26
> *To:* Edith Adera
>
>
> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>
> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System
>
>
>
> Hi everyone,
> Let us instead push for a policy that is supportive of local software
> development. Giving up is not an option. Rgds. tm
>
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:22 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> The National Cereals and Produce Board together with the East African Grain
> Council are working towards the creation of a commodity exchange to trade
> futures.
>
>
>
> This process is at an advanced stage which begun with a process called
> warehouse receipting and currently Equity Bank offers credit against the
> receipts.
>
>
>
> What does this have to do with us in the IT field?  When the Nairobi Stock
> Exchange tendered for the automated trading system (ATS) and more recently
> for the Broker Back-office System no local IT company made it past the 1st
> round.
>
>
>
> The fact that companies like Virtual City are winning international awards
> for systems development and others like PesaPal are receiving large direct
> foreign investments means that we do have the skills to develop world class
> solutions.
>
>
>
> This is an appeal to all ICT experts in the country to prepare ourselves to
> make sure that the grain exchange system is locally developed and we stop
> being spectators in our own country.  I know it is said that a prophet is
> never recognised in his own town, it is time we made this phrase redundant.
>
>
>
> NCPB and others are already shopping overseas for a solution so be warned
> that time is not in our hands and if we are to have an impact we need to
> move quickly.
>
>
>
> The proposed system is supposed to provide a trading platform, depository
> system, GIS for land information, settlement system, warehouse management,
> weather monitoring and seed planting information system (acreage, seed type,
> fertiliser, etc).
>
>
>
> Lets get off our high horses and put a together a world class solution for
> a local problem.  No tears after the horse has bolted.
>
>
>
> Useful links
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> http://dn.nationmedia.com/DN/DN/2010/09/03/ArticleHtmls/03_09_2010_030_014.shtml
>
> http://allafrica.com/stories/200904271171.html
>
> http://www.ratin.net/mainfeature.asp?id=40
>
>
> http://www.monitor.co.ug/Business/Smart%20Money/-/688614/899436/-/bypmdxz/-/index.html
>
> http://www.unctad.info/upload/SUC/LusakaWorkshop/WarehouseServicesKenya.pdf
>
>
>
>
> Robert Yawe
> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> Kenya
>
> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>
>
>
>
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