[kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo

Thu Sep 23 17:21:40 EAT 2010

I'm sorry to sound like a broken record but I don't know any ISP in Kenya
selling 1Mb for >$500 - and anybody who is being extorted like this should
go to a reputable ISP and get their service for tens of dollars, not
hundreds....

Brian

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Edwin Onchari <eonchari at lynxbits.com>wrote:

>  “naomba serikali” or not…government policies ultimately affect demand and
> supply laws in any market. While the call here is not to go the Finish way
> of making it a right for all citizens to have access to 1Mb of broadband by
> 2015, or UK’s 2Mb, GOK can move to create an environment that will encourage
> our good ISPs  lower the current rates, currently  >$500- remember, the
> potential bulk users in Kenya earn <$1/day!
>
>
>
> Edwin
>
>
>
> *Sales without Customer Service**........**is like stuffing money into a
> pocket full of holes.*
> DAVID TOOMA
>
>
>
> *From:* Brian Munyao Longwe [mailto:blongwe at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2010 4:20 PM
> *To:* Edwin Onchari
>
> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Is this another case of "naomba serikali inisaidie" - which is to typical
> of us Kenyans....
>
> It is my firm belief that we have a free and open market for internet
> services in Kenya - with little or no barriers to entry for any player.
> Could it just be that the rules of supply and demand are applying and
> thereby preventing the "drastic" drops in pricing that it seems many of use
> are dreaming about?
>
> I think Walu is asking the right kinds of questions - how do we adjust the
> supply/demand equation to bring about the desired results?
>
> In my honest opinion government has been doing a good job of staying out of
> business - let's keep it that way.
>
> Regards,
>
> Brian
>
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Edwin Onchari <eonchari at lynxbits.com>
> wrote:
>
> Better yet, GOK should slice up its 40% stake and sell to smaller
> businesses that are willing to play ball, so that Kenyans are not at the
> mercy of a handful ISPs that cannot get their act together
>
>
>
> Edwin
>
>
>
> *Sales without Customer Service........is like stuffing money into a
> pocket full of holes.*
> DAVID TOOMA
>
>
>
> *From:* kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke[mailto:
> kictanet-bounces+eonchari <kictanet-bounces%2Beonchari>=lynxbits.com@
> lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Harry Hare
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2010 2:35 PM
> *To:* Edwin
>
>
> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>
> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo
>
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> Who in this forum thought it possible to enjoy the new calling rates which
> are 50% of what we used to pay? My point, we need a disruptive force that
> will force the ISPs to lower their rates. The Government still hold 40% of
> TEAMS, and I remember the PS once saying that he will use this if the
> operators fail to drop their costs. Probably this is the time...this,
> together with NOFBI, the ministry has capacity to roll out a project like -
> “free internet for all”, another first from Kenya.
>
> Think about it.
>
> Harry
>
> On 9/23/10 2:14 PM, "Walubengo J" <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Yes WHOLESALE prices are down by 80% but RETAIL prices remain relatively
> high.  Are the ISP/Telco eating up the difference by way of SUPER-PROFITS?
>
> Not sure. There are multiple and intermediary variables that play between
> the Wholesale Level and the Retail Level that includes, but not limited to
> Cost of Local loops, Usage/Volume Levels,  Local Content, Regulatory&
> Competition Environments, Charging Models, etc.
>
> The challenge is to get a way in which to measure and establish which of
> the above variables will have the biggest, positive and sustainable impact
> on Retail Internet pricing.  Worse still, a "wrong" distortion of any of the
> above maybe counterproductive to the others in the long run. It requires a
> delicate balance of the whole ecosystem.
>
> But perhaps I could be wrong..
>
>
> walu.
>
> --- On *Thu, 9/23/10, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo
> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 2:28 PM
>
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Edwin Onchari <eonchari at lynxbits.com <
> /mc/compose?to=eonchari at lynxbits.com<http://mc/[email protected]>>
> > wrote:
> > Yes Dennis,
> >
> >
> >
> > Take the case of the US for instance. 1 Mb (dedicated) is going for less
> > than $50…
>
> Wholesale cost there is ~$2.50 for 1 Mb/sec
>
> >in Kenya, it’s anything between $500-$800.
>
> Wholesale price in Kenya?  Around 50 USD per Mb/sec  (in Mombasa) is
> what I heard recently from an industry player.  That is probably for a
> volume purchase of course.
>
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