[kictanet] ICDL - I apologise-KASNEB and ICTs

Fri Sep 3 09:44:54 EAT 2010

Hi,

KASNEB needs a more generic name such as Professional Examining Board that can 
cover a wider spectrum over time and also across the region.

Regards
 Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya

Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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From: lordmwesh <lordmwesh at gmail.com>
To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Sent: Wed, 1 September, 2010 14:54:43
Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICDL - I apologise-KASNEB and ICTs

The KASNEB name shall be changed to accommodate more professionals in their 
mandate to something like

Kenya Accountants, Secretaries, and Computers National Examinations Board ...
KasCneb 

So that any computer specialist doing their exams does not feel left out

Just a thought

On 1 September 2010 14:00, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:

>@Clemo,
>
>I dont have the actual numbers of graduates of the CICT (Certified Information 
>Communication Technologist, http://www.kasneb.or.ke/cict.htm) exam set by KASNEB 
>but am aware that the first few graduates completed the program 1yr ago. Their 
>IT program is fashioned along the CPA model in that it tries to be "technical" 
>as opposed to being "academic"...which is a good thing since in this country 
>everyone is scrambling for a degree and subsequently expecting to be a "Manager" 
>rather than a "Worker"...this will ultimately create an imbalance in the labor 
>market similar to having more "Architects" than "Contractors" say in the 
>building industry.
>
>As to the debate of whether KASNEB is the rightful place to domicile this IT 
>program has been forever a contentious issue which I was avoiding.  My (biased) 
>opinion has been that KASNEB is an Examination "factory" with tested systems and 
>structures to produce exams at this professional/skill level. It is therefore 
>easy for them to leverage on this systems to offer the market a credible exam in 
>IT.  The issue of how can "accountants" set an IT exam does not arise because 
>the Exams are actually set and moderated by IT professionals in the industry.  
>KASNEB simply provides the legal framework and infrastructure for delivery of 
>the same.
>
>walu.
>--- On Mon, 8/30/10, CLEM NYANDIERE <c_nyandiere at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>From: CLEM NYANDIERE <c_nyandiere at yahoo.com>
>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICDL - I apologise(RESTRICTED ACCESS)
>>To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>>Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 12:45 PM
>>
>>
>>Thanks Bw Kirongothi for the update.
>>
>>My only concern is that KASNEB has all along been known for accountancy and 
>>secretaries courses to the extent that very few of us would want to associate it 
>>with ICT courses. I can bet that may be the reason why not many people will be 
>>keen to take up the courses (ICDL or otherwise) when offered under the the 
>>umbrella of KASNEB. On this note I would be glad to know how successful the 
>>certificate/ diploma courses introduced by KASNEB about 5 years have been to 
>>date.
>>
>>As a trainer of a few years (since Walu and co employed me somewhere), and 
>>knowing our people, I can only see the solution being in a separate ICT 
>>Certification body. There was some attempt by the Late Dr John Onunga. Also 
>>Computer Society of Kenya did something! I guess this time round, Paul Kukubo 
>>(ICT Board) and team should take the lead.  Perhaps work with Min of Higher 
>>Education and Dr Ndemo's Ministry and Computer Society of Kenya This should 
>>translate to some equivalent of KASNEB, established through an Act of 
>>Parliament! If too complex, I would think PS Ndemo, working with ICT MPs like 
>>Eng. Rege, MP, review the ICT Board Act and include the component of examination 
>>and certification in ICT.
>>
>>My two cents
>>
>>Clement
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
________________________________
 From: J.R. Kirongothi <kirongothi at kasneb.or.ke>
>>To: c_nyandiere at yahoo.com
>>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 9:46:13 AM
>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICDL - I apologise(RESTRICTED ACCESS)
>>
>> 
>>Hi all, 
>>> 
>>>Thankyou for allowing me to join your mailing list. I wish to contirbute to the 
>>>discussion above dated august 6.
>>> 
>>>Robert raised an issue which is of concern across board i.e., to all other 
>>>stakeholders including some trainers, which is: The standard of training in IT 
>>>in Kenya. I recall a meeting with Dr. Ndemo and Mr. Kukubo and others which 
>>>proposed a taskforce to look into the issue of IT training in Kenya. As Dr. 
>>>Ndemo puts it, an examining body must exist to ensure the syllabus coverage and 
>>>skills imparted before any certification. This way, any employer or other 
>>>stakeholder is assured of quality when engaging a certified graduate. KASNEB 
>>>mandate has now been expanded to include accreditation of colleges that train 
>>>for its examinations. Consequently, KASNEB has established a directorate to 
>>>specifically address issues of accreditation in order to ensure quality 
>>>training. The mandate of KASNEB is to develop syllabuses, conduct professional 
>>>and technician examinations and certification of candidates in finance, 
>>>accountancy, management, information technology among other related disciplines, 
>>>a task it has handled well since 1969 (as Dr Ndemo cites the preference of CPA 
>>>over other foreign accountancy examinations).
>>> 
>>>The taskforce Walu mentions, of which I am also a member, was appointed by 
>>>KASNEB. This taskforce was never meant to create or replicate a local version of 
>>>ICDL but to come up with an end user basic skills or minimum computer literacy 
>>>curriculum that not only addresses local needs but is also globally competitive. 
>>>The taskforce commenced by addressing and researching on “What constitutes 
>>>minimum computer literacy in Kenya?” Armed with the findings, the taskforce 
>>>settled down to work coming up with a content that was presented to the various 
>>>committees of KASNEB as per the procedure of developing a curriculum. By the 
>>>way, Walu must have misconceived a challenge in the Board’s perception because 
>>>the Board of KASNEB has been very supportive of the whole idea including the 
>>>electronic system approach, and even provided a lot of input at various stages 
>>>of the development of the curriculum. (Alex, you were a member of the taskforce. 
>>>You can confirm).  In fact, KASNEB is now in the final stages of the development 
>>>of the curriculum, before releasing the content to a wider circle of 
>>>stakeholders for their input. It is worthy to note that KASNEB is a service 
>>>oriented, not for profit State Corporation and charges only administrative costs 
>>>as fees hence the low cost Walu mentions. This supports Harry’s comment that 
>>>money is not the issue and the concern of losing traditional income streams does 
>>>not therefore arise.
>>> 
>>>KASNEB is open to suggestions and positive critique and welcomes new ideas that 
>>>are aimed at promoting professionalism in Kenya and beyond.
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