[kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya

Vitalis Olunga volunga at yahoo.com
Mon Nov 22 20:20:28 EAT 2010 

I kindly request that who ever has the soft copies of the Bills attach the same. 





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To: volunga at yahoo.com
Cc: KICTAnetICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Sent: Sun, November 21, 2010 12:05:58 PM
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya


Would appreciate is someone who has the bills can email them to me. The links at 
information.go.ke seem not to lead me there.

Kind Regards,
Waudo 
On Sat, 20 Nov 2010 19:47 -0800, "Mwololo Tim" <timwololo at gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with Nyaki on the need for a structured discussion, as outlined. 
Regards. tm
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>On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 5:02 AM, Catherine Adeya <elizaslider at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Mr Wangusi,
>>
>>This is very informative and would help steer the discussion in the right 
>>direction. It may help to trickle it down further with a few clear questions . 
>>My experience with Kictanet is that if issues are just lumped together people 
>>will talk 'above each others heads' and also 'above the issues'. My proposal is 
>>maybe to start with one Bill and break down what the key issues  are that may 
>>require further discussion. Hopefully someone will be collating these with a 
>>view to the wider discussions whether in Mombasa, Siaya or Seychelles :-). 
>>
>>
>>Therefore, you could break the discussions with the following two headings so it 
>>is clear what people are focusing on:
>> 
>>Bill 1: The creation of  Independent Institutions of the Media Council 
>>Bill 2: The creation of the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya.
>>
>>There would also be a little background information, such as, reminding people 
>>what is contained in Articles 34 (3) & (5) of the Constitution...even in summary 
>>form.
>>
>>I can already see a question tucked in what you wrote....Who is real an 
>>independent regulator?  It is good you give some guideline based on one author 
>>and this could be a basis of discussion but open to Stakeholder's opinions as 
>>they will put the local context in mind. This could be discussed over 1 or 2 
>>days. 
>>
>>
>>Another question I see that could come at the tail end is: Is there a need to 
>>rename CCK or what you refer to as  the Independent Communications Commission of 
>>Kenya?  The  background to this would be to overcome what you believe to be the  
>>potential contravention of Chapter 15 of the new constitution...which would be 
>>nice to summarize as well, just key highlights of concern that directly impact 
>>on the question.
>> 
>>I hope I am on the right track with these as I have not looked at the Bills yet 
>>but just drawing from your email. 
>>
>>Alice and Walu...your 2 cents worth here would be valuable so we can steer these 
>>discussions in the right direction.
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>Nyaki
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
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From: "Wangusi, Francis" <Wangusi at cck.go.ke>
>>To: elizaslider at yahoo.com 
>>
>>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 8:29:28 AM 
>>
>>
>>
>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Hi Folks,
>>May I take this opportunity to sway you away from the monotony of discussing 
>>where the next forum for deliberating on the two bills should be to the real 
>>issues in the two bills. The two bills are for the creation of  independent 
>>institutions of the Media Council and the Independent Communications Commission 
>>of Kenya. I must pat the drafters of these two bills on their backs for having 
>>identified the actual areas of concern and their attempts to realign them with 
>>articles 34 (3) & (5) of the constitution. It is important for us to address the 
>>issues raised in this bills in an attempt to come up with bills that will 
>>guarantee the existence of a wide range of independent and autonomous media in 
>>the broadcasting sub-sector. of course proportionate regulation is essential to 
>>guarantee the freedom of media while at the same time ensuring a balance between 
>>that freedom and other legitimate rights and interests. Perhaps most importantly 
>>in order to preserve broadcasting as part of the democratic process, we should 
>>aim at creating independence in regulatory institutions dealing with 
>>broadcasting in the sector. the question that begs in the minds of many is who 
>>is real an independent regulator?  According to Eva Solomon, an independent 
>>regulator can be obtained by using the following criteria;
>>*    Means of appointment:  should be clearly set out in law and should be done 
>>in a democratic and transparent manner.
>>*    Remit of the regulatory authority: duties and responsibilities of an 
>>independent regulator should be clearly set out in law as should the means 
>>through which they will be held accountable.
>>*    Terms for termination of appointment: one of the most invidious ways in 
>>which a regulatory authority can be subject to political pressure and influence 
>>is through the threat of dismissal. Thus the law must state clearly the factors 
>>which may lead to dismissal.
>>*    Funding: funding can be used as a means of exerting political pressure. 
>>Terms of funding should be set out in law, and whenever possible be kept 
>>separate from any potential political interference.
>>*    Conflicts of interest: apart from being independent of political forces, 
>>members of the regulatory authority must be free from any potential personal 
>>conflict of interest with the broadcasting sector.
>>Perhaps, based on the above arguments, folks; you can analyze the two  bills and 
>>see if they actually meet the above criteria and/or propose appropriate changes 
>>in order to expedite the process before the next forum. I want to propose that 
>>in order to overcome the potential contravention of chapter 15 of the new 
>>constitution, the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya be named 
>>Independent Communications Regulatory Authority of Kenya (ICRAK).
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: kictanet-bounces+wangusi=cck.go.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke 
>>[mailto:kictanet-bounces+wangusi=cck.go.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of 
>>bitange at jambo.co.ke
>>Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:43 PM
>>To: Wangusi, Francis
>>Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'
>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya
>>
>>Edith,
>>My Mombasa proposal is not cast in any stonem. It just because I have had more 
>>successes there than here in Nairobi.  We can have a meeting anywhere if we all 
>>are committed to coming up with a good policy framework.  I do not know about 
>>the net and random catches.  I need serious input.
>>
>>Democracy by nature is anarchical and the greater you try to cover more people, 
>>the more expensive and the less likely in becomes to progress the law.  This is 
>>a well founded theory and that is the reason expert opinion is more valuable at 
>>this stage.  The people will be taken care of by their reps unless you made the 
>>mistake to pass the supreme governance document.
>>
>>Ndemo.
>>Ndemo.
>>
>>
>>Sent from my BlackBerry®
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Edith Adera <eadera at idrc.or.ke>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 23:00:10
>>To: bitange at jambo.co.ke<bitange at jambo.co.ke>
>>Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>Subject: RE: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya
>>
>>Bwana Ndemo,
>>
>>This time around I'm not convinced. The major concern is that Mombasa gives you 
>>an "exclusive group of people", the "usual suspects". 
>>
>>
>>In the spririt of the new constitution I think we need to cast our net 
>>wider...involve more Kenyans. We must lead by example in showing how the latest 
>>technology - both old and new - can be used to engage Kenyans. For example your 
>>PS colleague from Ministry of Roads was on radio and TV last week being grilled 
>>by Kenyans about the plans for our roads and people asked him tough questions 
>>(sms feedback was also integrated into the show). We need to see more innovative 
>>ways to engage Kenyans.
>>
>>my two cents
>>
>>Edith
>>
>>
>>________________
>>Edith Ofwona Adera
>>Senior Program Specialist
>>ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development 
>>Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international 
>>Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa
>>Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera 
>>eadera at idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca 
>>________________________________________
>>From: bitange at jambo.co.ke [bitange at jambo.co.ke]
>>Sent: 17 November 2010 10:20
>>To: Edith Adera
>>Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'
>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya
>>
>>Edith,
>>Due to our peculiarities and need for consistent participation Mombasa seems to 
>>be the Dawa.  Everytime we plan a two day conference around the city, people 
>>either choose to attend one day or intermintently while attending to other 
>>needs.  In the end it takes you longer to get any concesus.  I let you to try 
>>this because in the end it becomes expensive.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>Ndemo.
>>
>>
>>Sent from my BlackBerry®
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Edith Adera <eadera at idrc.or.ke>
>>Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 21:51:30
>>To: bitange at jambo.co.ke<bitange at jambo.co.ke>
>>Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>Subject: RE: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya
>>
>>Bwana Ndemo,
>>
>>This is "music to my ears". It's gratifying to see that citizens are now placed 
>>at the heart of policy-making in Kenya!
>>
>>Incidentally, we have just approved funding for a comprehensive study to review 
>>"the right to information and citizen participation in parliamentary affairs in 
>>Kenya" - we hope that the findings will inform the review of policies and 
>>standing orders to entrench citizen participation in parliament.
>>
>>Can we find more effective and less expensive ways of engaging citizens in 
>>policymaking processes, must it be Mombasa? why not a decent hall in the suburbs 
>>where ordinary Kenyans can also give their views?
>>
>>Edith
>>
>>________________
>>Edith Ofwona Adera
>>Senior Program Specialist
>>ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development 
>>Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international 
>>Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa
>>Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera 
>>eadera at idrc.or.ke| www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca 
>>________________________________________
>>From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke 
>>[kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of 
>>bitange at jambo.co.ke [bitange at jambo.co.ke]
>>Sent: 16 November 2010 16:54
>>To: Edith Adera
>>Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'
>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya
>>
>>Listers
>>Talking of reforms.  We have posted two Bills, that is the Independent 
>>Communications Commission of Kenya and the Independent Media Council, on 
>>www.information.go.ke.  The two far reaching pieces of legislation were 
>>necessitated by the new Constitution.  I need your input by mid January before 
>>we plan a major conference (the constitution requires comprehensive stakeholder 
>>participation before any policy proposal becomes law) in Mombasa.  After we 
>>establish concesus the Bills will be sent to the Kenya Law Reform then 
>>Constitutional Implementation Committee then the AG's office and finally to 
>>Parliament.  We will get another chance to view the Bills after the first 
>>reading in Parliament.  The whole process is to take less than six months.
>>
>>The Freedom of Information and Data Protection Bills are making progress too and 
>>we shall keep you updated.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>
>>Ndemo.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Dr. Ndemo, you are right that we are overdue for comprehensive reforms 
>>> when it comes to how we run and manage our parastatals.
>>>
>>> However, I think that is exactly the kind of change that Yawe is 
>>> proposing to bring about. I'm delighted that someone like Yawe who 
>>> obviously has extensive experience in converging ICT with business, 
>>> can be bold enough to stand up and say I can do it. Barack Obama in 
>>> his book Dreams of My Father spoke about how leaders seeking the 
>>> highest elective office must have an outsized ego. They must believe 
>>> that they can do something better than everyone else, even if that 
>>> something seems impossible. With Yawe, I can personally say that he 
>>> has the brains, skills, motivation and ego to meet the challenges of being the 
>>>post-master general.
>>>
>>> Look forward to your appointment Yawe.
>>>
>>> With Kind Regards,
>>> Harry Karanja
>>> Senior Consultant, EVA
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>>> From: kictanet-bounces+kairo=softlaw.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kairo=softlaw.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On 
>>> Behalf Of bitange at jambo.co.ke
>>> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 10:03 PM
>>> To: kairo at softlaw.co.ke
>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Yawe for Post Master General
>>>
>>> Jane,
>>> You are right to some extent.  Ministries do not have unlimited power 
>>> over their parastatals.  You recall as Hon. Michuki cleaned the 
>>> Transport ministry, the Ports Authority was at the verge of collapse.  
>>> There are intricacies in the running of state corporations that you 
>>> are not aware of.  They are managed by many agencies such as the State 
>>> Corporations Advisory Council, Inspector General of State Corporations 
>>> and not forgetting the unions.  It is not as simple as you think.  
>>> Several variables affect the way they operate.  Comprehensive reforms 
>>> may be necessary.
>>>
>>> Ndemo.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Robert,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for a very well outlined vision.
>>>> How I wish the appointing authority would give you an opportunity.
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile,I choose to strongly disagree with Bwana PS in regard to 
>>>> the legacy issues he raised.
>>>>
>>>> Yawe's vision is comprised of income generating ideas e.g.Renting out 
>>>> banking hall space, Advertising, Selling airtime etc,very minimal 
>>>> resources are required and if anything the organisation would be 
>>>> assured of immediate returns.From the vision I also see numerous job 
>>>> opportunities being created through Ecomerce and the eventual door 
>>>> delivery of mail.
>>>>
>>>> Listers, I draw inspiration from how Hon Michuki transformed the 
>>>> public transport sector.
>>>> He used the same staff his predecessors had used,no retraining,no 
>>>> retrenchment or work force overhaul;just a man who decided to bring 
>>>> sanity on the roads and sanity he brought.
>>>> Similarly,it also took one man,same task force,same conditions,to 
>>>> undo all what had been done by Hon Michuki at Ministry of Transport.
>>>> Again Hon Michuki moved to Min of Enviroment,we could have heard 
>>>> excuses of how much resources were needed to clean Nairobi 
>>>> river........................again
>>>> the river got cleaned.
>>>>
>>>> Personally I believe its all dependent on the person at the top.
>>>> Under our current situation I dont expect Yawe to immediately replace 
>>>> Maj Gen Hussein Ali but the least I would have expected is in the 
>>>> meantime Yawe be introduced to the Post Master General to share on 
>>>> how some of his ideas can be implemented as we wait for the resource 
>>>> and legacy issues to get resolved.
>>>>
>>>> Jane Kagiri
>>>> kagirijane at yahoo.com
>>>>
>>>> Its impossible to build a tribute of success on a foundation of excuses.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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