[kictanet] If we vote YES for the proposed Constitution-link to ICT

Fri May 28 10:50:20 EAT 2010

Thanks Wamuyu for the clarification

With very few ministers/secretaries  under the proposed constitution  , this
may be the last time to have a minister responsible for the Info com only .
most likely it will be  mixed under a larger ministry? 

What happens to the Tribunal? 

Cheers 

MM

From: kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.k
e] On Behalf Of Wamuyu Gatheru
Sent: 27 May 2010 17:09
To: mureithi at summitstrategies.co.ke
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Subject: Re: [kictanet] If we vote YES for the proposed Constitution-link to
ICT

A few things to note based on previous comments.

a) Constitutional links to ICT: The 'Minister'/Secretary of Info and
Communications will be a technocrat vetted by Parliament. The 'CCK' will be
an independent body meeting the standards of an independent Public Service
Commission. The 'CCK' will be independent of  govt, political or commercial
interests and in place in 3yrs and its board also vetted by a Parliamentary
committee. 

Incidentally on division of labour between national govt and Counties only
Telcoms, postal, radio and TV are mentioned (national govt). The divison of
labour appears silent on the internet/electronic media 

b) Wainaina/Murigi, its important to keep site of the goal of constitutional
reform. Its to avoid Kenya becoming a failed state particularly due to lack
of Presidential accountability and general political impunity. Lets keep our
eyes on the goal and ensure that we secure national stability and peace
first.

The issue you raise on international treaties is covered in Njoki's doc: a
treaty becomes effective with ratification in Parliament. 

On sharia law, my understanding is that sharia law is mandatory for all
within a sharia jurisdiction. This is not the case with the Kadhi's court.

Will take the liberty to subscribe you to (reformsnow at lists.reformsnow.or.ke
<http://us.mc578.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=reformsnow@lists.reformsnow.or
.ke> ) where more around these reforms will be posted. Provision is made for
unsubscribing.

regards, Wamuyu

  _____  

From: Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
To: wamuyulearn at yahoo.co.uk
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Sent: Thu, 27 May, 2010 11:49:26
Subject: Re: [kictanet] If we vote YES for the proposed Constitution-link to
ICT

@ Alice + Wainaina,

Still trying to see the link btwn the proposed constitution and ICT.  I know
there is but your discourse into abortion and kadhi's courts will surely get
us into endless murky waters...

If we have to talk constitution, then maybe provide the link with ICT. I
know one link that puts the independence of  Press Freedom into the
constitution.  This is likely to throw the spanners into numerous
(govt+private) agencies  purpoting to regulate broadcast and other media... 

walu.

--- On Wed, 5/26/10, Wainaina Mungai <wainaina at madeinkenya.org> wrote:

From: Wainaina Mungai <wainaina at madeinkenya.org>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] [Fwd: [reformsnow] If we vote YES for the proposed
Constitution
To: jwalu at yahoo.com
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 6:21 PM

Since this has been brought up on-list, I presume  we are free to
comment on-list ;-)

My comments are on the link between;
a) Abortion and 'any other written law' in the context of
international law that may allow abortion or 'county law' that may be
determined after we pass the draft. Will treaties of other
international instruments that are automatically effected via this
draft be considered 'any other written law'?

b) From my little reading, Kadhi courts are not 'customary courts' in
the same way as native courts, which became 'magistrates courts'. They
are RELIGIOUS COURTS. Let's not pretend about that. If they were
similar to magistrates courts as put forward by our 'expert', then a
Christian or Hindu student of Islamic law may as well qualify to be
appointed as a Kadhi. Kadhi courts are not open courts the same way as
a muslim or Hindu can be appointed as a magistrate or Chief Justice.

A Christian or Hindu woman who proves himself in administering Islamic
law cannot become a Kadhi, even if he is the financier (tax-payer) of
such courts.

Overall, this CoE draft seems like a Yes. It is only fair if we start
to identify the bits of the draft that need to be amended once it is
passed. The No campaign at the previous referendum always used to
remind us that one rotten potato spoils the whole sack of potatoes.
What has changed? Doesn't that wisdom still apply? ;-) There is alot
Banking sector is concerned about in relation to the chapter on land
and manufacturers/investors have queries that have gone unanswered in
attempts to avoid being branded a 'no' campaigner.

I say, vote for the draft on condition we also agree on things that
must be amended either before or after August 2010. Even the pro-yes
brigade of President Kibaki and PM Raila admit it is not perfect and
'tutabadilisha hapo pengine'.

Let's discuss the 'hapo pengine' today, not after 4th August.

On 5/26/10, alice <alice at apc.org
<http://us.mc578.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=alice@apc.org> > wrote:
> Dear all
>
> For those following (all Kenyans of course...) the constitutional review
> process, please see below.
>
> best
>
> alice
>
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject:     [reformsnow] If we vote YES for the proposed Const....
> Date:     Wed, 26 May 2010 03:53:54 -0700 (PDT)
> From:     Wamuyu Gatheru <wamuyulearn at yahoo.co.uk
<http://us.mc578.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk> >
> To:     alice at apc.org
<http://us.mc578.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=alice@apc.org> 
> CC:     reformsnow at lists.reformsnow.or.ke
<http://us.mc578.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=reformsnow@lists.reformsnow.or
.ke> 
>
>
>
> Hi all,
> We are still struggling to get Constitutional reform behind us. Please
> find attached a brief question and answer write out done by Njoki
> Ndungu, a COE Commissioner, breaking down some issues: how muslims pay
> for Christian, Hindu etc marriages, what ratification of an
> international treaty means, how devolution will work...
>
> *Today's Fact*: If we vote YES for the proposed Constitution no proposed
> legislation can be delayed for longer than one year beyond the time
> specified for its enactment (see the 5th schedule on legislation). For
> example, new law on Citizenship (dual citizenship, women passing on
> citizenship to spouses after 7 years, law abiding residents obtaining
> citizenship after 7 years...) should be in place in one year. If after 2
> years this legislation is not in place, Parliament will be ordered by
> the High Court to enact the legislation within a specified period of
> time. If Parliament fails to obey this order, _Parliament will be
> dissolved_.
>
> regards,
> Wamuyu
>
> P/S Invite your networks to this mailing list
> (reformsnow at lists.reformsnow.or.ke
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>
>
>

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