[kictanet] Call for opinions - CCK vs Safaricom
emmanuel.khisa at kadet.co.ke
emmanuel.khisa at kadet.co.ke
Fri May 7 18:04:28 EAT 2010
Wow...Thanks Andrea, goes a long way to show just how defeatist the press releases by the "miserable trio" are.
Again...thanks to technology we can dig through the past to inform the future...Quite amusing.
Rgds,
EK
> -------Original Message-------
> From: Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt at ratio-magazine.com>
> To: emmanuel.khisa at kadet.co.ke
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Call for opinions - CCK vs Safaricom
> Sent: May 07 '10 14:57
>
> Amusing little factoid:
>
> In 2004, when Celtel acquired Kencell:
> 'Kencell, with about 1.2 million subscribers, has recently lost market
> share to rival Safaricom, a joint venture of Kenya's state-owned Telkom
> Kenya and Britain's Vodafone. Safaricom's subscribers have grown to
> 1.8 million, increasing its share to 60% from about 50%.
>
> So Celtel/Zain managed to work their way down from 50% to 14% or so over
> the past six years. Must have been quite a slippery playing field.
>
> ([LINK:
> http://www.regulateonline.org/2003/intelecon/2004/May/A-Kenya-040525.htm]
> http://www.regulateonline.org/2003/intelecon/2004/May/A-Kenya-040525.htm)
>
>
> On 7 May 2010 17:38, Walubengo J <[LINK: mailto:jwalu at yahoo.com]
> jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> MM,
>
> this Kwame guy is an interesting read!. One amusing message I picked says
> that the regulator should be protecting consumers - not competitors ;-)
>
> ..and from the "streets" some analyst said that Safcom may have exploited
> its dominance position; but that was in the beginning (ref: interconnection
> tariff wars with Kencell 6-8yrs ago). Currently, it will be a tall order to
> get evidence of the yet to be defined "exploiting" dominance postion"
>
> walu.
>
> --- On FRI, 5/7/10, MURIUKI MUREITHI _<[LINK:
> MAILTO:MUREITHI at SUMMITSTRATEGIES.CO.KE]
> MUREITHI at SUMMITSTRATEGIES.CO.KE>_ wrote:
>
> From: muriuki mureithi <[LINK: mailto:mureithi at summitstrategies.co.ke]
> mureithi at summitstrategies.co.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] {HIJACK} Call for opinions - CCK
> vs Safaricom
> To: [LINK: mailto:jwalu at yahoo.com] jwalu at yahoo.com
> Cc: "'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'" <[LINK:
> mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke] kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>,
> "'ke-users'" <[LINK: mailto:ke-internetusers at bdix.net]
> ke-internetusers at bdix.net>
> Date: Friday, May 7, 2010, 3:32 PM
>
>
> Kui
>
> For� a local context � from an economic perspective , read the attached
>
>
> Regards
>
> Muriuki Mureithi
>
> �
>
>
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> lists.kictanet.or.ke] ON BEHALF OF John Kariuki
> SENT: 07 May 2010 08:09
> TO: [LINK: mailto:mureithi at summitstrategies.co.ke]
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> CC: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; ke-users
> SUBJECT: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] {HIJACK} Call for opinions -
> CCK vs Safaricom
>
> �
>
>
> Kui,
>
> For some background information� on Competition, Dominance,etc you could
> check on the following information resources which should be available
> on-line:
>
> 1.Oftel, January 2000- The application of the Competition Act in
> Telecommunications Sector.
>
> 2. INTUG - Anti-Competitive Conduct and Competition Policy in
> Telecommunications,ITU,Geneva 22 Nov.2002
>
> [LINK: http://3.EU] 3.EU Directive 2002/19/EC 0f 7/3/2002 (Access
> Directive)
>
> 4. European Court of Justice in " United Brands v. Commission(1978) ECR.
> 207
>
> 5.Telecommunication Regulation Handbook(Module 5 - Competition Policy) by
> INFODEV,
>
>
> Good� Luck,
>
> John Kariuki
>
> --- On THU, 6/5/10, MARIE-ANNE KINYANJUI _<[LINK:
> MAILTO:MKINYANJUI at NATION.CO.KE] MKINYANJUI at NATION.CO.KE>_ wrote:
>
>
> From: Marie-Anne Kinyanjui <[LINK: mailto:mkinyanjui at nation.co.ke]
> mkinyanjui at nation.co.ke>
> Subject: [ke-internetusers] {HIJACK} Call for opinions - CCK vs Safaricom
> To: "McTim" <[LINK: mailto:dogwallah at gmail.com] dogwallah at gmail.com>
> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <[LINK:
> mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke] kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>,
> "ke-users" <[LINK: mailto:ke-internetusers at bdix.net]
> ke-internetusers at bdix.net>
> Date: Thursday, 6 May, 2010, 8:47
>
>
> Is there anyone on the list with a firm grasp of the industry (and who is
> not directly involved :-) who is wiling to offer their objective views on
> this subject for publication in Business Daily?
> 400-600 words please.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Kui Kinyanjui
> Business Daily
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kictanet-bounces+mkinyanjui=nation.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> [mailto:[LINK: mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bmkinyanjui]
> kictanet-bounces+mkinyanjui=nation.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf
> Of McTim
> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 8:15 AM
> To: Marie-Anne Kinyanjui
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; ke-users; Angela Nganga- Mumo
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: {Disarmed} Re: CCK vs
> Safaricom?- and now Safcom vs the Rest?
>
> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau
> <solo.mburu at gmail.com> wrote:
> > This is great Angela.
> > I really need to know why the 'big boy' is suddenly crying
> foul.
>
>
> Let's re-examine our assumptions of who the "Big Boy" in the Kenyan
> Telecommunications market is.
>
> The GoK owns a huge minority shareholding in Telkom.Orange (and may in
> future own a majority share).� When Orange makes a profit, so do its
> owners.
>
> The GoK owns a huge minority shareholding in Safaricom.� When SafCom
> makes a profit, so do its owners.
>
> The GoK collects a tremendous amount of VAT and other taxes from the
> telecoms market players.
>
> The GoK collects a tremendous amount of license fees and frequencies
> fees from the telecoms market players.
>
> The GoK sets policy via the CCK and the Ministry.
>
> So from my POV, the GoK is the BIG BOY, it seems to me that this is
> the "elephant in the room" that no one is talking about.
>
> In any case on this specific regulation, I applaud the intent of
> creating a level playing field.� However, I see no monetary "teeth" or
> enforcement measures (read fines) in this single doc (I have yet to
> read the others).
>
> My main objection is the 25% rule.� My reading of this is that there
> MUST always be at least one dominant provider.� Let me use a poker
> game analogy to make my point.� Before the first hand is dealt, all
> players will have an equal amount of chips.� After the first hand (and
> subsequent hands) there will (most likely) be a "chip leader" and a
> "short stack".� It is not likely that there will ever be equilibrium
> in the game (or in the telecoms market).
>
> I would suggest that this clause is not helpful, at least at the 25%
> value at which the trigger is now set.
>
> No wonder Safaricom is complaining.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> McTim
> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> route indicates how we get there."� Jon Postel
>
>
> >
> > On 06/05/2010, Carole K <mhariricarole at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Thank you Angela, you are a star! The rest of us can now be informed
> about
> >> this new "unfair" regulation.
> >>
> >> CK
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Angela Nganga- Mumo <
> >> anganga at orange-tkl.co.ke> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear All,
> >>>
> >>> Please find a PDF copy of the regulations.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>>� logo2
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Angela Ng'ang'a - Mumo
> >>>
> >>> Head of Corporate Communications
> >>>
> >>> Landline:� � � � � � � � � � � + 254 20 3232011
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> >>> Orange Mobile:� � � � � � � � � +254 772 548 066
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: ke-internetusers-bounces at bdix.net
> >>> [mailto:ke-internetusers-bounces at bdix.net] On Behalf Of
> >>> bitange at jambo.co.ke
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 7:41 PM
> >>> To: Andrea Bohnstedt
> >>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; ke-users
> >>> Subject: [ke-internetusers] Re: {Disarmed} Re: [kictanet] CCK vs
> >>> Safaricom?- and now Safcom vs the Rest?
> >>>
> >>> Will send it tomorrow.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Ndemo.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > I'd like to see the text, too. Dr Ndemo, could you or one of
> your
> >>> > colleagues
> >>> > email round a pdf with the regulations, please? Easier and a bit
> nicer
> >>> on
> >>> > the environment than all of us running downtown to buy paper
> copies.
> >>> >
> >>> > Thanks, Andrea
> >>> >
> >>> > On 4 May 2010 09:32, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> the drama continues,
> >>> >>
> >>> >> in a louder paid-up advert in today's press Yu, Orange and
> Zain
> >>> support
> >>> >> the
> >>> >> CCK regulations and dispute yesterday's Safcom's
> complaint.� All
> >>> these
> >>> >> without the public (or is it me?) not having copies of what they
> are
> >>> >> arguing
> >>> >> about!
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Someone told me the copies of this regulations are available at
> the
> >>> >> Government Printers at a small fee.� Halloo? Assuming I leave in
> >>> >> Lokichoggio, Should i spend two days on the road to come and
> pickup
> >>> some
> >>> >> hard-copy regulations that should be downloadable?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Sergon, can you help me, where does this leave you with your
> >>> eGovernment
> >>> >> stories?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> walu.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> --- On *Mon, 5/3/10, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>* wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> From: Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
> >>> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] CCK vs Safaricom?
> >>> >> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> >>> >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >>> >> Date: Monday, May 3, 2010, 10:55 AM
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Just seen a loud complaint from Safcom in today's Daily
> Nation.� They
> >>> >> quoted four regulations that have been gazetted and I have
> searched
> >>> >> [LINK: http://www.cck.go.ke] www.cck.go.ke to get a mouse on them
> but failed.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Anybody with e-copies on these regulations or specific url can
> plse
> >>> >> update.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> walu.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
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