[kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: {Disarmed} Re: CCK vsSafaricom?- and now Safcom vs the Rest?
Harry Delano
harry at comtelsys.co.ke
Thu May 6 12:55:21 EAT 2010
Hey Mr. Waudo,
I weren't aware of this stakeholders meeting. Looking at the excitement generated
with the regulations coming into effect, it looks like there weren't any in the
first place. Or perhaps, a 'consensus' weren't achieved. Or maybe one or more of
the parties is not being forthright...
Which is which..?
Harry
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 11:10 AM
To: Harry Delano
Cc: 'ke-users'; 'Angela Nganga- Mumo'; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: {Disarmed} Re: CCK vsSafaricom?- and now Safcom vs the Rest?
Hi Delano - is the meeting you are asking the Government to convene different from the one that was held some months back at the KSMS to discuss these regulations with stakeholders? These regulations were amongst those published by the CCK in September last year and they were available since then on CCK website etc. They received discussion on this list in September 2009 and in January there was also list discussion focussing on the media. I am just wondering what difference a second meeting for stakeholders would make.
Waudo
On Thu, 06 May 2010 09:29 +0300, "Harry Delano" <harry at comtelsys.co.ke>
wrote:
>
> So that we do not start taking divergent positions, I suggest the need
> for Govt to sit down with all these players, and as a 'Referee' in the
> room, proceed to explain in non-ambiguity terms what this policy is
> designed to achieve moving forward.
>
> More precisely, the benefits accruing to grow this huge market - with
> the customer at the heart of it.
>
> Harry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke]
> On Behalf Of McTim
> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 8:15 AM
> To: harry at comtelsys.co.ke
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; ke-users; Angela Nganga- Mumo
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: {Disarmed} Re: CCK
> vsSafaricom?- and now Safcom vs the Rest?
>
> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau
> <solo.mburu at gmail.com> wrote:
> > This is great Angela.
> > I really need to know why the 'big boy' is suddenly crying foul.
>
>
> Let's re-examine our assumptions of who the "Big Boy" in the Kenyan
> Telecommunications market is.
>
> The GoK owns a huge minority shareholding in Telkom.Orange (and may in
> future own a majority share). When Orange makes a profit, so do its
> owners.
>
> The GoK owns a huge minority shareholding in Safaricom. When SafCom
> makes a profit, so do its owners.
>
> The GoK collects a tremendous amount of VAT and other taxes from the
> telecoms market players.
>
> The GoK collects a tremendous amount of license fees and frequencies
> fees from the telecoms market players.
>
> The GoK sets policy via the CCK and the Ministry.
>
> So from my POV, the GoK is the BIG BOY, it seems to me that this is
> the "elephant in the room" that no one is talking about.
>
> In any case on this specific regulation, I applaud the intent of
> creating a level playing field. However, I see no monetary "teeth" or
> enforcement measures (read fines) in this single doc (I have yet to read the others).
>
> My main objection is the 25% rule. My reading of this is that there
> MUST always be at least one dominant provider. Let me use a poker
> game analogy to make my point. Before the first hand is dealt, all
> players will have an equal amount of chips. After the first hand (and
> subsequent
> hands) there will (most likely) be a "chip leader" and a "short stack".
> It is not likely that there will ever be equilibrium in the game (or
> in the telecoms market).
>
> I would suggest that this clause is not helpful, at least at the 25%
> value at which the trigger is now set.
>
> No wonder Safaricom is complaining.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> McTim
> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > On 06/05/2010, Carole K <mhariricarole at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Thank you Angela, you are a star! The rest of us can now be
> >> informed about this new "unfair" regulation.
> >>
> >> CK
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Angela Nganga- Mumo <
> >> anganga at orange-tkl.co.ke> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear All,
> >>>
> >>> Please find a PDF copy of the regulations.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> logo2
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Angela Ng'ang'a - Mumo
> >>>
> >>> Head of Corporate Communications
> >>>
> >>> Landline: + 254 20 3232011
> >>>
> >>> Orange Fixed Plus : +254 20 2454233
> >>>
> >>> Orange Mobile: +254 772 548 066
> >>>
> >>> Email : anganga at orange-tkl.co.ke
> >>>
> >>> cid:image003.jpg at 01C9FEEE.6AAFAFA0
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: ke-internetusers-bounces at bdix.net
> >>> [mailto:ke-internetusers-bounces at bdix.net] On Behalf Of
> >>> bitange at jambo.co.ke
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 7:41 PM
> >>> To: Andrea Bohnstedt
> >>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; ke-users
> >>> Subject: [ke-internetusers] Re: {Disarmed} Re: [kictanet] CCK vs
> >>> Safaricom?- and now Safcom vs the Rest?
> >>>
> >>> Will send it tomorrow.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Ndemo.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > I'd like to see the text, too. Dr Ndemo, could you or one of
> >>> > your colleagues email round a pdf with the regulations, please?
> >>> > Easier and a bit nicer
> >>> on
> >>> > the environment than all of us running downtown to buy paper copies.
> >>> >
> >>> > Thanks, Andrea
> >>> >
> >>> > On 4 May 2010 09:32, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> the drama continues,
> >>> >>
> >>> >> in a louder paid-up advert in today's press Yu, Orange and Zain
> >>> support
> >>> >> the
> >>> >> CCK regulations and dispute yesterday's Safcom's complaint.
> >>> >> All
> >>> these
> >>> >> without the public (or is it me?) not having copies of what
> >>> >> they are arguing about!
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Someone told me the copies of this regulations are available at
> >>> >> the Government Printers at a small fee. Halloo? Assuming I
> >>> >> leave in Lokichoggio, Should i spend two days on the road to
> >>> >> come and pickup
> >>> some
> >>> >> hard-copy regulations that should be downloadable?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Sergon, can you help me, where does this leave you with your
> >>> eGovernment
> >>> >> stories?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> walu.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> --- On *Mon, 5/3/10, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>* wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> From: Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
> >>> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] CCK vs Safaricom?
> >>> >> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> >>> >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
> >>> >> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >>> >> Date: Monday, May 3, 2010, 10:55 AM
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Just seen a loud complaint from Safcom in today's Daily Nation.
> >>> >> They quoted four regulations that have been gazetted and I have
> >>> >> searched www.cck.go.ke to get a mouse on them but failed.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Anybody with e-copies on these regulations or specific url can
> >>> >> plse update.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> walu.
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