[kictanet] ICANN: Africa must work hard too...

Thu Mar 11 13:27:22 EAT 2010

Well said Emmanuel, Judy, the problem is we need a structured approach
to lobby, if you fail to plan, you are planning to fail, great
observation though.

Regards

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Emmanuel Khisa
<Emmanuel.khisa at kadet.co.ke> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> This has most certainly been a very enlightening session for the short while
> I have been around. I must say that it does help to encourage more industry
> players to participate through creation of visibility and demystifying the
> whole Internet Governance/ ICANN setups. I don’t think we in Kenya lack the
> drive or even the tricks to lobby, I just think the whole ICANN/Internet
> Governance are generally shrouded in lots of secrecy, you would almost think
> there are limited opportunities to go around.
>
>
>
> My challenge to which I direct to myself first is that the broader ICT
> community and Internet community more specifically MUST seek to get the
> information out. More like the OFC kind of awareness that was created. The
> internet community need not make this area such a technical and secretly run
> group that the majority of stakeholders should be kept out but rather make
> it a deliberate intention to inform the wider public about them through
> media. The challenge goes to ICT Journalists as well, write more articles to
> do with the subject. This way more and more members will gain awareness and
> next time such chances come up it would be like CISA, CCNA Academies etc
> (Just examples of how interest aroused creates even greater impact).
>
>
>
> Just my thought.
>
>
>
> EK
>
>
>
> PS: McTim and the rest of the Kenyan “delegation” in the conference great
> job. And the LOC, Congratulations for putting this together, Alice & Co.
>
>
>
> From: kictanet-bounces+emmanuel.khisa=kadet.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+emmanuel.khisa=kadet.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
> Behalf Of Judy Okite
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:13 PM
> To: emmanuel.khisa at kadet.co.ke
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICANN: Africa must work hard too...
>
>
>
> Hello All,
>
>
>
> as much as we discuss all these,clearly, there is a difference between
> attending the ICANN meeting and participating actively in the
> event/conference/deliberations.
>
>
>
> and yes, most importantly we need to understand the process....there have
> been meetings where it seems like the panel is talking and discussing
> amongst themselves, but again there has been opportunities granted to us,
> as, Africans....and we've let them slide under.
>
>
>
> Yesterday, I was VERY,VERY disappointed....this is not a personal
> attack....AfTLD had an opportunity to make a presentation,but they were
> missing in action.....it is one thing to make your presentation and put
> emphasis on particular sessions and it is another for your presentation to
> be flipped through....so why pass on such an opportunity!!!
>
>
>
>
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> we've got a whole lot of learning and working to do.....both individually
> and continentally.
>
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Mctim,
>
> I think the same case applies to all the other African countries,
> collective bargaining is the thing, how else will we handle emerging
> security challenges and dispute resolution, brings in the question of
> "Internet Governance"
> Regards
>
> On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Barrack Otieno
>
> <otieno.barrack at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Mctim,
>>
>> I appreciate your point the thing is understanding the ICANN process,
>> you must be empowered to participate in at-large discussions, maybe
>> people like you or Njeri Rionge or Waudo can enlighten interested
>> members in a townhall meeting, i was just thinking aloud :-), Africa
>> is communal.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 10:36 AM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi barack, It would be fairly trivial for kictanet to become an als
>>> (member) in at-large. The bottom line is that individuals should
>>> become involved as per individual interests. Rgds, mctim
>>>
>>> On 3/11/10, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Good observation Becky,
>>>>
>>>> Am glad similar concerns were raised by the CEO KIXP at a forum with
>>>> the President Rod Beckstrom, she articulately raised the fact that the
>>>> constituencies need to be demystified and the president alluded to
>>>> this fact, i noted that there are "ICANN VETERANS" and they are quick
>>>> to notify you on this which literally freezes a fast timer, however
>>>> the fact that we are thinking this way shows that we are moving in the
>>>> right direction, Dr. Siganga has for a number of times urged the local
>>>> community on this forum to join those constituencies the dilemma is
>>>> which one to join, we need forums at country level to look at how we
>>>> can contribute significantly to the ICANN process, the constituencies
>>>> are many and it is easy to get lost in the cloud. Probably it can be a
>>>> structured discussion on KICTANET, what do you say Walu?
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Wamuyu Gatheru
>>>> <wamuyulearn at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> The notion of the USA contributing 90% to ICANN ,because most
>>>>> registrars,
>>>>> are based there was challenged at the ccNSO meeting yesterday. The
>>>>> registrars obtain their revenues from internet users across the world -
>>>>> and
>>>>> Africa's share is growing especially with broadband. Europeans and
>>>>> others
>>>>> who spoke thereafter in the ccNSO meeting all began their statements by
>>>>> saying that they make payments to ICANN.
>>>>>
>>>>> regards, Wamuyu
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: "alice at apc.org" <alice at apc.org>
>>>>> To: wamuyulearn at yahoo.co.uk
>>>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>>> Sent: Tue, 9 March, 2010 17:52:40
>>>>> Subject: [kictanet] ICANN: Africa must work hard too...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://wanjiku.co.ke/
>>>>>
>>>>> ICANN: Africa must work hard too...
>>>>> 08 03 2010
>>>>> Comments: 3
>>>>> Available in: English
>>>>>
>>>>> There are many African governments and citizens who do not understand
>>>>> the
>>>>> role of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers.
>>>>>
>>>>> For some, ICANN should operate in the bottom later ensuring that we
>>>>> have
>>>>> internet access and that the pipes are faster. Others think that ICANN
>>>>> should be involved in the running of domain registries, which are in
>>>>> shambles and in some cases fighting over petty issues. Others think
>>>>> that
>>>>> ICANN is there to fund them; talk of reliance on aid.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course ICANN has no role in all these things and what it points is
>>>>> that
>>>>> more outreach is needed and maybe ICANN should have an office in
>>>>> Africa.
>>>>>
>>>>> But how? According to Rod Beckstrom, 90 percent of ICANN contributions
>>>>> come from North America, so that may be the reason why we have 3
>>>>> offices
>>>>> in the US and none in Africa.
>>>>>
>>>>> That makes sense; if Africa does not contribute anything, how will the
>>>>> office be supported? So, for Africa to be on level terms, then we must
>>>>> also be willing to contribute, but am not sure how when our registry
>>>>> operations are still manual.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was chatting with Rafik Dammak, who accuses me of complaining or
>>>>> whining
>>>>> too much but then, what do I do?
>>>>>
>>>>> Rafik told me of how the various constituencies within ICANN are always
>>>>> looking for participants but what do you do when they dont contribute
>>>>> to
>>>>> those meetings and in some cases stay outside within the coffee houses
>>>>> instead of meeting rooms?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, its good to have geographical representations but we also need to
>>>>> start bringing something on the table and contributing to the debate
>>>>> more
>>>>> than we do currently.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding the financial contributions, I have no words; will leave it
>>>>> for
>>>>> the others.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ends
>>>>>
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>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> McTim
>>> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
>>> route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
>>>
>>
>>
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