[kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest

[Barrack Otieno]

Well put Andrea, that is called reading between lines, when you do a
comparison between the service and what you have to give up to get the
service you end up signing up, this is how the Telco makes its bread and
Bata and they are well informed from a Legal and regulatory perspectives.

Kind Regards

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Andrea Bohnstedt <
andrea.bohnstedt at ratio-magazine.com> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I do see a problem with this because I get enough rubbish on email already,
> and getting spam sms is massively annoying, not the least because you can't
> just mark them as spam and send all future messages from the same sender
> straight to the bin. I agree that subscribers should opt into any
> promotional service, not out of it.
>
> Having said that, the phone numbers don't necessarily need to come from an
> operator - I once left my phone number in a shop because I thought I had
> left some documents there, and ended up on their sms list. It turned out
> incredibly difficult to be removed from it and took several visits to the
> shop.
>
> Safaricom have terms and conditions on their website:
> http://safaricom.co.ke/index.php?id=1125
>
> Including those for pre-paid services:
> http://safaricom.co.ke/index.php?id=1133
>
> In those terms and conditions, I found the following:
>
>
>    1. You accept that we may disclose and/or receive and/or record any
>    details of your use of the Services including but not limited to your calls,
>    emails, SMS’s, data, your personal information or documents obtained from
>    you for the purposes below:
>
>
>    1. Fraud prevention and law enforcement;
>
>
>    1. For reasonable commercial purposes connected to your use of the
>    mobile service, such as marketing and research related activities;
>
> Not sure if this applies to their own marketing only, or also includes
> consent to having your number passed on to other organisations for
> promotional purposes - it would appear the former, though.
>
> Happy Furahiday,
> Andrea
>
> On 16/07/2010, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, i see no problem with promotional sms,s its what makes the
>> Information economy tick, i am looking at this as an entrepreneur and as a
>> consumer, its a catch 22 just the way an employee complains about his or her
>> employer yet the former might as well decide to have his or her own
>> organisation, this simply justify the need for the data protection act to
>> ensure that the promotions are done within the law, i see no problem with
>> what Safaricom did, they are out to make money and it is the biggest tax
>> payer, at least a road will be fixed somewhere out of the money they make.
>>
>> Kind Regards
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <
>> solo.mburu at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 16/07/2010, Badru Ntege <ntegeb at one2net.co.ug> wrote:
>>> > Do subscribers in Kenya have an option to stop these sms's ?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > In Uganda you send STOP to the sending number and your number would be
>>> > deleted from the senders database.  The only problem is you are charged
>>> for
>>> > the sms you send to have your number deleted.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > It seems to be working.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> Why should a person be charged to unsubscribe from a service they
>>> didn't request or subscribe to?
>>>
>>> If one subscribed, that's understood very well.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> >
>>> > regards
>>> >
>>> > From: kictanet-bounces+ntegeb=one2net.co.ug at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>> > [mailto:kictanet-bounces+ntegeb <kictanet-bounces%2Bntegeb>=
>>> one2net.co.ug at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
>>> > Behalf Of Victor Gathara
>>> > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 8:33 AM
>>> > To: ntegeb at one2net.co.ug
>>> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Following this with interest. I think it would be improper for networks
>>> to
>>> > sell/avail subscriber numbers to others for promotional purposes
>>> because
>>> > subscribers don't have a choice to opt in to this when they sign up for
>>> the
>>> > service (I certainly didn't). Promotions from the network itself are of
>>> > course a different matter altogether.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Regarding spam where the sender gets phone numbers through unscrupulous
>>> > means the only solution may be to press the DELETE key. Sim card
>>> > registration should make it possible to pursue and prosecute offenders
>>> > (assuming there is a law against spamming in Kenya).
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Victor
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >   _____
>>> >
>>> > From: kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>> > [mailto:kictanet-bounces+v-gathara <kictanet-bounces%2Bv-gathara>=
>>> dfid.gov.uk at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
>>> > Behalf Of dennis kipruto
>>> > Sent: 16 July 2010 08:12
>>> > To: Victor Gathara
>>> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest
>>> >
>>> > I also got one. It seems Safaricom has a case to Answer.More so i
>>> didn't
>>> > sign up for any YES Campaign media gimic. I would call the SMS a spam
>>> SMS.
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Edith Adera <eadera at idrc.or.ke>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Today I received a promotional sms from the "YES" campaign. Can
>>> Safaricom
>>> > explain how our phone numbers were leaked?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Edith
>>> >
>>> >
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