[kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010, Discussions :Day 6 of 8 Theme:E-Crime, Online Privacy & Data Security.

Mon Jul 12 16:25:31 EAT 2010

Mr. Walubengo,

thank you for the clarifications.

what would create the demand for Data Protection Bill/Act and Freedom of
Information Bill/Act?

Kind Regards,

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:

> @Judy,
>
> in general technology tends to moves ahead of its security
> implications...and so all these MPESA/MKESHO/ and/or eCommerce in general
> will always happen before laws and regulations catch up.  It only becomes an
> issue if such laws take a relatively longer period to happen. Within the
> Kenyan Context so far.
>
> 1. Kenya Comm. Amendement Act (2009) - done (good for ecommerce)
> 2. Data Protection Bill/Act - NOT YET DONE -wonder @ what level this is
> 3. Freedom of Information Bill/Act - NOT YET  DONE - wonder @ what level
> this is
>
> These three laws are complimentary within the ICT/IS security domain and
> must eventually be delivered sooner rather than later...
>
> walu.
> nb: visit www.isaca.or.ke and see more of what ISACA-Kenya are trying to
> do in contributing in this security space...
>
>
>
> --- On *Mon, 7/12/10, Judy Okite <judyokite at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Judy Okite <judyokite at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010, Discussions :Day 6 of 8
> Theme:E-Crime, Online Privacy & Data Security.
> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>
> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 3:36 PM
>
>
> Solomon,
>
> thank you....and I agree with you, irregardless of how many players may
> have to be brought into it...we need to laws to protect the consumers as
> well as the service providers.
>
> when we talk about e-crime, am sure that its not just  about
> MPESA/ZAP...lets take for example a personal experience, given to us by
> Michuki, earlier last week...
> and I quote
>
> "Well if you may, let me indulge you with my personal experience with my
> bank regarding online transactions.
>
> My bank approached me with a new service called email authorization.
> Which means that i can send an email to authorize transactions from my
> account. Well as exciting as this may sound, i asked how would they be
> in a position to validate that am the sender. At that point the bank had
> no way to do so.
>
> All the same, i went ahead and said, i have a PGP key, would you be
> willing to exchange keys with me so that you have a way of validating
> that am the sender i.e encrypt my messages or digitally sign them for
> security purposes. At that point it was clear that such a feature did
> not exist.
>
> I have to give credit to my bank for taking the bold step of introducing
> such a service. I would however have been even more glad if they
> supported digital email signatures or PGP for email authorizations. But
> then again, how many people actually use this?."
>
> the introduction to online services, is GREAT! it could be towards the
> right direction, .....BUT are we jumping before we leap? again I ask, are we
> being oblivious to the implications?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu at gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 12 July 2010 12:54, Judy Okite <judyokite at gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=judyokite@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Wesley and Solomon,
>>>
>>> Thank you for your contributions, what are we saying? these platforms are
>>> here with us and we are using them, we have fallen victims,
>>>
>>> whichever way that has been dealt with outside, the public forum, is upto
>>> the person's concerned?
>>>
>>> do you you wait until you become a victim, before you know which law
>>> applies or will apply?
>>>
>>>  However, that said, MPESA/ZAP/SOKOTELE was/has been in operation for a
>>> while, the KCA 2009 never captured it or atleast the IT part of it. why?
>>>
>>
>> You've touched on a classic mobile money transfer (SOKOTELE) which was not
>> as vibrant as is successor, ZAP!
>> To answer your question, I think the KCA 2009 was developed as a need for
>> supply and not demand. By this, I mean that the regulator saw it wise to
>> have law that governs the use of technology and its related programmes. One
>> of the most important thing here is to understand there is a greater need to
>> look at the dynamics of the platforms, and see ways in which to integrate
>> them well into the laws of the land.
>>
>> When you are a victim of scam through the mobile money transfer, the
>> providers must give ways in which a person can have the money back.
>> Since the law is already in place, then once becoming a victim, should
>> have a reprieve, though the providers are better placed to inform the public
>> on how to go about!
>>
>>>
>>> floor is open....
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <
>>> solo.mburu at gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>> Inline responses
>>>>
>>>> On 12 July 2010 09:02, wesley kirinya <kiriinya2000 at yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=kiriinya2000@yahoo.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  b) E-voting
>>>>> 1. A human being only has 10 finger prints which cannot be replaced. I
>>>>> think the public deserves to know how secure their finger prints are in the
>>>>> e-system.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Is Kenya's election problem really an identity problem? Those are
>>>>> problems where I would expect fingerprints to be captured. IMHO I think it's
>>>>> a problem of non-existing people voting by ballot boxes being tampered with.
>>>>> Technology can help with electronic capturing of the cast votes. I've not
>>>>> heard much about this. If the problem is not really identity but
>>>>> non-existing ppl voting, then stealing votes is still here with us...
>>>>>
>>>>> 8~)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On *Mon, 7/12/10, Judy Okite <judyokite at gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=judyokite@gmail.com>
>>>>> >* wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Judy Okite <judyokite at gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=judyokite@gmail.com>
>>>>> >
>>>>> Subject: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010, Discussions :Day 6 of 8
>>>>> Theme:E-Crime, Online Privacy & Data Security.
>>>>> To: kiriinya2000 at yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=kiriinya2000@yahoo.com>
>>>>> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>>> >
>>>>> Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 1:45 AM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Good Morning,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   I hope that we  all,  had a restful weekend! unless you were @ the
>>>>> campaign trails :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> To the FIFA world cup2010 winners,SPAIN, CONGRATULATIONS!!
>>>>>
>>>>> To the rest, lets keep an eye on 2014…yet another chance to better our
>>>>> skills J
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As we continue with our discussions, your comments and contributions to
>>>>> the former threads are welcome, just respond to  the correct
>>>>> subject/title.
>>>>>
>>>>> The next two days (Monday & Tuesday) we will be discussing:
>>>>>
>>>>> a)    a)  e-crime-
>>>>>
>>>>> Definition: E-crime is where a computer or other electronic
>>>>> communications device (eg mobile phone) is used to commit an offence.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking at this definition, the question on top of my head,  is how
>>>>> many transactions do we do through our mobile phones, in Kenya.
>>>>>
>>>>> a)    MPESA, ZAP- transfer of money
>>>>>
>>>>> To my knowledge (I stand to be corrected) MPESA /ZAP still rides under
>>>>> the umbrella of Telecommunication, banking and IT.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lately, you can pay your electricity bill, water bill etc…through this
>>>>> medium.
>>>>>
>>>>> Their usage has increased and we have branded it innovation,
>>>>> creativity, but are we being oblivious of the implications?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> When these 'innovations' were developed here in Kenya, we were
>>>> apprehensive. First, it was because we were not sure whether such platforms
>>>> were worthy emulating or using because, of obvious reasons such as security
>>>> among others. Years later, the same problem still exists because of lack of
>>>> mass education and capacity development for their use from the providers and
>>>> regulator.
>>>> Their are ramifications which are likely to be great since there are
>>>> scams around alleged to be coming from the providers. This is just the tip
>>>> of the iceberg. There are those who have fallen victims to the scams and a
>>>> lot of money gotten lost.
>>>> As the platforms become advanced, so are the thugs.
>>>>
>>>>>  Where or who do you approach in loss of your money?
>>>>>
>>>>> KPLC or Safaricom/Zain?etc and many other services that we are paying
>>>>> for using MPESA/ZAP
>>>>>
>>>>> In normal situation, one should approach their respective provider in
>>>> case of a loss of money. If for example, I was to pay KShs. 2,000 for my
>>>> electricity using MPESA or ZAP, and typed a wrong account, KPLC will is not
>>>> the custodian of these platforms, but Safaricom and Zain respectively!
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> b)    b) E-voting
>>>>>
>>>>> Definition:  is an election system that allows a voter to record his
>>>>> or her secure and secret ballot electronically.
>>>>>
>>>>> Currently we have a pilot project on e-voting that will first be
>>>>> tested, during the referendum on 4th August 2010.there are at least
>>>>> 1.5 million new voters in the 18 EVR pilot constituencies.
>>>>>
>>>>> more info:
>>>>> http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000007579&cid=4&ttl=Kenya%20enters%20era%20of%20electronic%20voting
>>>>>
>>>>> In the recent days, we have experienced instances of ‘computer error’
>>>>> within the Ministry of Finance and Education, what happens when the same
>>>>> happens with the IIEC?
>>>>>
>>>>> What do we have in place as a country, to ensure that this does not
>>>>> happen
>>>>>
>>>>> and if it does, does IIEC have the technical know-how?
>>>>>
>>>>> and as Kenyans,  are we assured that such a case will have ‘e-evidence’
>>>>> on how and when and where the ‘computer error’ took place?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I'm still going by what Wesley put forth. Without capacity development,
>>>> the end-users are 'bombarded' with pilot programs without involving them.
>>>> Ideally, it would work 'well' if the voters were given enough education on
>>>> how to register, follow-up and vote using electronic voter registry
>>>> (platform). Security is also another thing that requires much attention
>>>> since there is no assurance that the e-voting is secure and free from any
>>>> hitch.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope that these two are bound to see our inboxes full as it touches
>>>>> on each and every one of us.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your thoughts, corrections, inputs, queries, reactions are welcome!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> “To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who you are
>>>>> and what you stand for, where you want to go and why you want to get there.”
>>>>> Kofi Annan
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>>>>
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>>> what you stand for, where you want to go and why you want to get there.”
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>>>
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>>
>> --
>> Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau
>>
>> *****************************************************
>> Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the
>> same way to the side of a hill!
>>
>> AND
>>
>> It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous
>> generosity!
>>
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>> http://mburu.sikika.co.ke
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