[kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010, Discussions :Day 6 of 8 Theme:E-Crime, Online Privacy & Data Security.

Mon Jul 12 12:54:41 EAT 2010

Wesley and Solomon,

Thank you for your contributions, what are we saying? these platforms are
here with us and we are using them, we have fallen victims,

whichever way that has been dealt with outside, the public forum, is upto
the person's concerned?

do you you wait until you become a victim, before you know which law applies
or will apply?

 However, that said, MPESA/ZAP/SOKOTELE was/has been in operation for a
while, the KCA 2009 never captured it or atleast the IT part of it. why?

floor is open....

Kind Regards,

 Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> Inline responses
>
> On 12 July 2010 09:02, wesley kirinya <kiriinya2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>  b) E-voting
>> 1. A human being only has 10 finger prints which cannot be replaced. I
>> think the public deserves to know how secure their finger prints are in the
>> e-system.
>>
>> 2. Is Kenya's election problem really an identity problem? Those are
>> problems where I would expect fingerprints to be captured. IMHO I think it's
>> a problem of non-existing people voting by ballot boxes being tampered with.
>> Technology can help with electronic capturing of the cast votes. I've not
>> heard much about this. If the problem is not really identity but
>> non-existing ppl voting, then stealing votes is still here with us...
>>
>> 8~)
>>
>>
>> --- On *Mon, 7/12/10, Judy Okite <judyokite at gmail.com>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Judy Okite <judyokite at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010, Discussions :Day 6 of 8 Theme:E-Crime,
>> Online Privacy & Data Security.
>> To: kiriinya2000 at yahoo.com
>> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 1:45 AM
>>
>>
>> Good Morning,
>>
>>
>>   I hope that we  all,  had a restful weekend! unless you were @ the
>> campaign trails :-)
>>
>> To the FIFA world cup2010 winners,SPAIN, CONGRATULATIONS!!
>>
>> To the rest, lets keep an eye on 2014…yet another chance to better our
>> skills J
>>
>>
>> As we continue with our discussions, your comments and contributions to
>> the former threads are welcome, just respond to  the correct
>> subject/title.
>>
>> The next two days (Monday & Tuesday) we will be discussing:
>>
>> a)    a)  e-crime-
>>
>> Definition: E-crime is where a computer or other electronic
>> communications device (eg mobile phone) is used to commit an offence.
>>
>> Looking at this definition, the question on top of my head,  is how many
>> transactions do we do through our mobile phones, in Kenya.
>>
>> a)    MPESA, ZAP- transfer of money
>>
>> To my knowledge (I stand to be corrected) MPESA /ZAP still rides under the
>> umbrella of Telecommunication, banking and IT.
>>
>> Lately, you can pay your electricity bill, water bill etc…through this
>> medium.
>>
>> Their usage has increased and we have branded it innovation, creativity,
>> but are we being oblivious of the implications?
>>
>>
> When these 'innovations' were developed here in Kenya, we were
> apprehensive. First, it was because we were not sure whether such platforms
> were worthy emulating or using because, of obvious reasons such as security
> among others. Years later, the same problem still exists because of lack of
> mass education and capacity development for their use from the providers and
> regulator.
> Their are ramifications which are likely to be great since there are scams
> around alleged to be coming from the providers. This is just the tip of the
> iceberg. There are those who have fallen victims to the scams and a lot of
> money gotten lost.
> As the platforms become advanced, so are the thugs.
>
>>  Where or who do you approach in loss of your money?
>>
>> KPLC or Safaricom/Zain?etc and many other services that we are paying for
>> using MPESA/ZAP
>>
>> In normal situation, one should approach their respective provider in case
> of a loss of money. If for example, I was to pay KShs. 2,000 for my
> electricity using MPESA or ZAP, and typed a wrong account, KPLC will is not
> the custodian of these platforms, but Safaricom and Zain respectively!
>
>>
>>
>> b)    b) E-voting
>>
>> Definition:  is an election system that allows a voter to record his or
>> her secure and secret ballot electronically.
>>
>> Currently we have a pilot project on e-voting that will first be tested,
>> during the referendum on 4th August 2010.there are at least 1.5 million
>> new voters in the 18 EVR pilot constituencies.
>>
>> more info:
>> http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000007579&cid=4&ttl=Kenya%20enters%20era%20of%20electronic%20voting
>>
>> In the recent days, we have experienced instances of ‘computer error’
>> within the Ministry of Finance and Education, what happens when the same
>> happens with the IIEC?
>>
>> What do we have in place as a country, to ensure that this does not
>> happen
>>
>> and if it does, does IIEC have the technical know-how?
>>
>> and as Kenyans,  are we assured that such a case will have ‘e-evidence’ on
>> how and when and where the ‘computer error’ took place?
>>
>>
> I'm still going by what Wesley put forth. Without capacity development, the
> end-users are 'bombarded' with pilot programs without involving them.
> Ideally, it would work 'well' if the voters were given enough education on
> how to register, follow-up and vote using electronic voter registry
> (platform). Security is also another thing that requires much attention
> since there is no assurance that the e-voting is secure and free from any
> hitch.
>
>>
>> I hope that these two are bound to see our inboxes full as it touches on
>> each and every one of us.
>>
>> Your thoughts, corrections, inputs, queries, reactions are welcome!
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
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