[kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw deal
Harry Delano
harry at comtelsys.co.ke
Fri Jan 8 17:52:27 EAT 2010
Dear Ps,
This is one of the best assessment I've ever read in recent times - on the
"State
of affairs", as matters stand now in our beloved nation.
"Economies of scale", in our Education landscape is a very important concept
to
bring up for discussion. Hopefully, all stakeholders (all of us )would pick
up
on this and address where we can.
I wonder how this message can have a wider reach, to audience out there -
starting
with the lecture halls of our institutions of higher learning.
Could our Academicians pick cue on this, and organize some speaking
engagements for
the PS to hold a series of lectures, so that it's not only this forum that
benefits..
Hope he would find time, out of his busy schedule.. Just a suggestion.
Again, won't it be good to do an editorial in the main papers on this theme.
Can
the scribes on the forum pick up, and amplify it.
It is always good to do an own internal assessment to determine where the
'rain started
beating us' and make ammends where possible.
Regards,
Harry
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Dear Solomon,
I want to give you a different perspective of ourselves as a people. We
tend to shift blame here and there when the problem is us. There is nothing
wrong with any system in this country including our constitutional order.
We simply like to complicate our lives.
On education, we have never thought about the economics of this animal
called education. In the 21st century we still have more than 60% of our
high school graduates going into arts subjects. Majority into business
education even when we know that the field is saturated or in economic terms
supply has exceeded exceeded demand. The cosequence of not understanding
this simple economic is that we have too many unemployed graduates.
At the same time if you put up an add for an executive Chef, you will hardly
find our locals applying. We have gemstons, gold and diamonds within the
region yet our children have never had the interest to get into these
employable fields. Mzungus told us that careers were in Medicine, Business,
Teaching and Legal. Ever since we want our children to pursue these fields.
Do you blame a system for this? The other day a friend of mine's son said
he wanted to become a chef. His father almost broke down.
If we were honest, it is not difficult to provides pads to all our daughters
but most of us are demented with corruption. The school milk programme was
great but we know most of the resources ended up in some people's pockets.
In my view we need mental re-orientation to change our attitudes. How do
you explain unemployment when manufacture of bar soap is as easy as drinking
water yet none of the Africans are in this trade. We Gladly import dried
tomatoes to the tune of Ksh. 15 billion when 50% of our tomato produce ends
up in the waste. We harvet bumber crop then we start competing with weavils
yet our graduates with expertie in post harvet from JKUAT languish without
jobs.
Solomon, it is not the systems that we need to change.
Ndemo.
> I'm hoping one day to have children and take them to school to acquire
> their inalienable right, called education.
> But then, I'm puzzled - Is 8-4-4 or the British System the best? I
> have passed through 8-4-4 and I can list a thousand and one blunders
> the system has. One of which is the grading system. A child studies
> for more than eight years and a single grade determines whether the
> child will continue with the next level of education, remain
> semi-literate, end up on the police's most wanted list or, if lucky, I
> jump from one school to another oiling the hands of the principals to
> accept my child. That's how this system is made...
> because it has refused to change to the demands in time.
> For instance, how many of you have ever taken a look at the Education Act?
> You'd be surprised that this document was last reviewed in 1980. It
> does not even have a room for private schools, Standard 8 or even
> other curricula as we have in Kenya today.
> It has *Harambee Schools,* as some of the main schools in Kenya. By
> far, I know these schools were converted into Community Schools or
> better still, NFEs!
>
> When I got a copy of the Act, I thought it was a wrong document, but
> hey, it's the same document which is supposed to offer direction in
> our education standards, yet by fact, it's a document that exists on
> the minds of many.
>
> So, as Dr. Ndemo has put it, ICT can change our education perception,
> wht about the education system itself, which is almost 30 years old
> since it was last reviewed, will it surely change the status quo?
>
> I find it callous when politicians are busy talking about a new
> constitution and I'm sure they do not have an idea that Education Act
> is much older than the clarion for new constitutional dispensation!
>
> I pray that I'll not think of sending my child to an 'international
> school'
> because I'm a patriotic Kenyan.
> The educational reforms need to be done ASAP, because we are ending up
> training children to pas exams and not understand the values and goals
> of education in relation to their lives.
>
>
> I wish some senior person in the Ministry of Education were on this list!
>
>
>
>
>
> 2010/1/7 Akich Kwach <kwach at archway-productions.com>
>
>> Dkt Ndemo,
>> Thanks for sharing such well researched facts, it is sad how girls
>> are suffering in the countryside and have to spend many days out of
school.
>> MoH
>> should be availing those sanitary towels to school girls just as they
>> are dispensing condoms to prevent HIV/AIDS. The concept of
>> Continious Assessment is a good one; however, this is likely to
>> experience abuse as a result of dishonesty and corruption going by
>> the tradition of our countrymen and women. The society and its people
>> requires to be morally upright for such useful systems to serve and
>> achieve their set objectives. Thanks also for throwing light on how
>> ICT will help improve quality of education through e-learning, though
>> it will take long as its implementation depends on other factors such
>> as energy.
>>
>> This afternoon, I met a man carrying the traditional "mabati box/
>> suitcase"
>> for boarding school students and after egaging him in a brief chat,
>> it emerged he didn't have a child reporting to form-one / secondary
school.
>> He
>> told me he is taking his son to to a private primary school as he can
>> nolonger gamble with the future of his child in a public school. That
>> is how serious the issue is out here. Todate, I have not seen or
>> heard any communication from MoE commiting to look into the crisis in
>> public primary schools, and they are only telling us that funds are
>> being disbursed to schools; BUT FOR WHAT? Just to balance the books
>> of accounts Or to deliver quality service? Is Kenya going through
>> mid-life crisis? I guess we have a senior person from the MoE on the
>> list.
>>
>>
>> Akich Kwach
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
>> To: "Akich Kwach" <kwach at archway-productions.com>
>> Cc: <bitange at jambo.co.ke>; "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 3:12 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: KNEC giving
>> candidates, parents a raw deal
>>
>>
>> Akich,
>> I understand your frustration. We need to emulate the British
>> education reforms. Final exams only account for a small percentage.
>> Let me explain the depth of our education problems then show you why
>> we need to change the status quo.
>>
>> World over, Girls do better than boys between ages 6 and 13. Boys
>> only begin to be competitive after testestron kicks in. In rural
>> Kenya very bright young girls are wasted every year because by 13,
>> they begin their periods and in the absence of sanitary towels, they
>> miss classes between
>> 5
>> and seven days every month. Obviously their KCPE results come out
>> poor and then we consign them to becoming House Girls in urban centers.
>>
>> We can change this nonsense with ICT. We need to send end term exam
>> result to a central database. Each school can scan the report card
>> and have it sent to KNEC. We then use the continuous assessment for
>> up to 60% of testing. KCPE will then contribute the 40%. Let us go
>> back to our girls with this model. A girl who performed well up to
>> std. 6 or 7 will need very little marks to pass KCPE.
>>
>> This model will actually eliminate cheating. It will also save many
>> of our daughters from being condemed for sins that are not of their
>> own making.
>>
>> I am hoping we get to roll out Digital Villages countrywide in order
>> to provide an e-learning platform that would level the playing field.
>> This will be our little contribution to our education.
>>
>>
>> Ndemo.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Listeners,
>>> Thanks to Dkt Ndemo, Esther, Sam and all who have been contributing
>>> to this debate which is of a great national concern. As they say
>>> with education; "You are a beneficiary OR affected either directly
>>> or indirectly". From the education system, a nation produces men and
>>> women who contribute to national development. A portion of the
>>> dropouts decides to give the communities a preveiew of life in hell
>>> in the name of criminal activities.
>>>
>>> Ndemo mentioned issues of teachers being recruited locally, hence a
>>> sinking community will continue sinking becauce they don't want to
>>> see "foreign teachers". How comes policemen are posted anywhere in
>>> the country yet they earn less than teachers (ex-bribery)? Esther's
>>> proposal of introducig bridging courses has been a success in
>>> private universities and has given opportunities to thousands to
>>> build their careers. If Sam's ideas are implemented, we shall have
>>> housegirls who are equiped to be trusted with the young ones with
>>> basic health standards, cooking and other domestic needs.
>>>
>>> This week, I rejected some of the textbooks given to my daughter at
>>> a public school in the name of FPE because they were in pathetic
>>> conditions and I have buy them myself if she has to learn. To
>>> conclude, how many years shall it take us to be near education
>>> system like in UK where the former Prime Minister, Tony Blair once
>>> said with pride that he went to a public school.
>>>
>>> Akich Kwach
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Sam Aguyo
>>> To: kwach at archway-productions.com
>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 10:14 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: KNEC giving
>>> candidates,parents a raw deal
>>>
>>>
>>> Listerners,
>>>
>>> My view is that we need more of a change of attitude than anything
>>> else.
>>> Our minds are more of exam driven than the ultimate delivery this
>>> happens at all levels and we end up churning out questionable
>>> graduates at all levels.
>>>
>>> Lets assume at the end of KCPE those who have not made it to form
>>> one can be absorbed at training institutions that train nannies,
>>> househelps, garden boys etc. Those who have joined form one can
>>> sit another exam KJSE and those who have not made it can be trained
>>> to be professional something. At form KCSE those who have not made
>>> it can also be trained to do something else it goes on and on. This
>>> to many sounds outrageous but it may not be far from the reality.
>>>
>>> At the speed we are going to have everybody attain university
>>> education and end up with a white collar job, am reluctant to be
>>> near my brothers and sisters, they are wild since am not doing
>>> enough to abtain them a white collar job despite paying fees all the
>>> way to university.
>>>
>>> Sometimes we need to borrow example this time round from US where
>>> people honour all careers and pay for it. By the way with due
>>> respect what is the profession of Mr Tiger Woods wife?
>>>
>>> Sam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ----------
>>> From: Esther Muchiri <>
>>> To: saguyo at yahoo.com
>>> Cc: Skunk Works <skunkworks at my.co.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy
>>> Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>; ke-users
>>> <ke-internetusers at bdix.net>
>>> Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 8:43:04 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: KNEC giving
>>> candidates, parents a raw deal
>>>
>>> Now that we all agree there is a problem with our 8-4-4 system,
>>> especially considering the number of dropouts every year, how about
>>> an introduction of 'bridging' courses for those who did not perform
>>> so well (due to one reason or another)? I am sure there are many
>>> other factors that contribute to poor performance, e.g. panic.
>>>
>>> Would it be wrong if some private secondary schools decided to
>>> admit those who failed (say 180-250 marks) into form one, but then
>>> offer a mandatory
>>> 3
>>> month bridging course to bring them at par with the more qualified
>>> candidates? This would reduce the number of dropouts, and perhaps
>>> give them hope and a chance to complete secondary school. I know
>>> universities offer bridging courses - why not high school?
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:
>>> kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+emuchiri <kictanet-bounces%2Bemuchiri>=
>>> andestbites.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of bitange at jambo.co.ke
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 7:26 PM
>>> To: emuchiri at andestbites.com
>>> Cc: Skunk Works; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; ke-users
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: KNEC giving
>>> candidates, parents a raw deal
>>>
>>> Akich,
>>> The dynamics of our democratized society are too complex. As a
>>> child growing up in rural Kisii we had teachers from different
>>> parts of the country. Our people (Kenyans) demanded that we must
>>> go local and remove "foreigners". We escalted this foreigner
>>> concept to the extent we were in Dec. 2007.
>>>
>>> Local teachers now have to finish with their small enterprises
>>> before they consider students. Some have to till their shambas
>>> first. These are the people we call hard working and we all know
>>> about this. There is no passion to teach anymore and when they
>>> teach, they do it in venacular.
>>> Ministry of education knows about this. The solution is difficult
>>> and highly political. Reforms will see at least 50,000 teachers
retired.
>>> Anybody implementing this kind of reforms would be attacked from
>>> all corners including yes parents.
>>>
>>> In my view we need to raise the minimum teacher qualification to
>>> undergraduate and they work anywhere in the country as any other
>>> civil servant. We must tie performance to any pay increase.
>>> Atwoli apende asipende.
>>>
>>> Just my personal thoughts.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>> Ndemo.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Daktari Ndemo,
>>> > As one of the concerened parents and citizens, I must admit the
>>> truth can > be > sometimes very bitter especially when you compare
>>> the qaulifications of > public primary school teachers with that of
>>> private schools. The disparity > is even worse when you look at the
>>> rural schools. On the issue of whether > we > need the KCPE exams,
>>> I would request you to pose that question to your > couterpart at
>>> the MoE Prof Karega and share with us his opinion, whether >
>>> personal or official.
>>> >
>>> > Cheers and Happy New Year
>>> >
>>> > Akich Kwach
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
>>> > To: "wesley kirinya" <kiriinya2000 at yahoo.com> > Cc: "Skunk
>>> Works" <skunkworks at my.co.ke>; "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
>>> > <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>; "ke-users"
>>> <ke-internetusers at bdix.net>
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:46 PM > Subject: Re:
>>> [ke-internetusers] Re: [kictanet] KNEC giving > candidates,parents
>>> a raw deal > > > Dear Wesley, > No one should fail an exam
>>> because we have nowhere to take them if they > passed. Already we
>>> have B grade students who are not getting into > Universiry.
>>> >
>>> > Every year we get similar concerns but no one has ever asked if
>>> indeed we > need KCPE exams. To date I do not know the objective
>>> of this exam.
>>> If
>>> > our promlem just like everybody else is literacy, then we only
>>> need the > KCSE exams. The assumption here is that by the time
>>> someone sits for > KCSE, they would be literate and mature enough
>>> to consider options.
>>> At
>>> > KCPE level, I am afraid we keep on increasing our illiteracy
>>> levels the > moment 250,000 fail to proceed further.
>>> >
>>> > In my view we all have failed to analyse this problem objectively.
>>> Media
>>> > keeps on reporting but not analysing the problems. Citizens
>>> continue to > complain and not making proposals to the Government.
>>> The KNUT, parents, > politicians have subjected the Ministry into
>>> crisis mode instead of > reforming the sector. KNUT knows that at
>>> least one third of teacheers in > Primary Public Schools cannot
>>> pass or did not pass KCPE. Then we ask why > Private Schools
>>> perform better?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Ndemo.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> I'm concerned about the hundreds of thousands of students that
>>> will miss >> high school. Last year 250,000 missed it. Over a five
>>> year period, this >> adds up to more than a million, in a country
>>> whose population is about >> 40 >> million!
>>> >>
>>> >> Out of those who go to high school, only a handful end up in
>>> university.
>>> >> Someone should do a sturdy on the loss to our economy. The
>>> government >> spends lots on money to educate 250,000 people
>>> annually who will not get >> to high school. With our current
>>> systems, most of these 250,000 will not >> get descent
>>> employment/stable sources of income. Most of them come from >>
>>> rural areas, which are the areas that need serious development and
>>> >> skilled >> man-power to drive the development. If I opened a
>>> branch of my company >> in >> some rural area of Kenya, who will I
>>> employ? Even if I employ some >> people, >> they would be
>>> threatened by the Mungiki-types (children who join gangs >> in >>
>>> order to extort money) >> >> We need every child in Kenya, willing
>>> to go to school, to be able to >> archieve at least Diploma level.
>>> Without that, we should forget vision >> 2030 and competing with
>>> India and other Asian countries! The Chinese >> will >> continue
>>> building our roads, as Kenyans sweep them with brooms, not even >>
>>> specialized machines!
>>> >>
>>> >> I would like to bring in a different perspective as to the low
>>> >> performance, which someone mentioned as seriously wrong. What
>>> would >> happen >> if most students passed their exams, especially
>>> now with record numbers >> enrolling in schools? Where will they
>>> go? You would have students with B >> grades missing high school.
>>> That would be a great embrassment to >> goverment.
>>> >>
>>> >> If money is available to buy fleets of new cars (which dont
>>> really add >> to >> our GDP), surely there should be money for
>>> better quality of education >> for >> our children (which
>>> definately adds to our GDP).
>>> >>
>>> >> This is a national disaster.
>>> >>
>>> >> O~(
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --- On Wed, 12/30/09, Akich Kwach
>>> <kwach at archway-productions.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> From: Akich Kwach <kwach at archway-productions.com> >> Subject:
>>> Re: [kictanet] KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw deal >> To:
>>> kiriinya2000 at yahoo.com >> Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke >>
>>> Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 9:39 AM >> >> Gentlemen, >>
>>> Thanks for sharing your concerns. I would agree with MM and Zachary
>>> >> because KNEC ought to have known every candidate and parents
>>> would be >> interested in getting their results at the earliest
>>> hour and should have >> tested the system's capacity ahead of time.
>>> It is sad upto this hour, I >> spent on SMS three times and no
>>> reply yet. If such trends continue, the >> ICT investments might
>>> just be a wate of public funds and citizens might >> lose faith in
>>> the so called e-Govt. I would humbly request the PS, Dr >> Bitange
>>> and the ICT Board to intervene and find out what transpired at >>
>>> the >> KNEC system.
>>> >>
>>> >> For the parents who had 2009 candidates, I am concerned with the
>>> general >> national perfomance taking into account that subjects
>>> such as SST where >> candidates usually score high marks recorded
>>> poor performance, something >> is not right somewhere.
>>> >>
>>> >> WISHING YOU A HAPPY 2010
>>> >>
>>> >> Akich Kwach
>>> >>
>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "mureithi"
>>> >> <mureithi at summitstrategies.co.ke> >> To:
>>> <kwach at archway-productions.com> >> Cc:
>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009
>>> 6:43 PM >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] KNEC giving candidates, parents
>>> a raw deal >> >> >>> Thanks barrack >>> For the candidate and
>>> their family they interacted with the ict system >>> and the
>>> interface was the sms and the web. We should not hide behind >>>
>>> huge traffic because the phenomena and the time is known and the
>>> >>> implications.
>>> >>> Another terrible failure is that i and many thousands kenyans
>>> paid >>> upfront to the ict system for a service that was not
>>> delivered >>> >>> >>> ____________ >>> Muriuki Mureithi >>>
>>> Summit Strategies Ltd sent from cellphone >>> >>> ________________
>>> Reply Header ________________ >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] KNEC
>>> giving candidates, parents a raw deal >>> Author: Barrack Otieno
>>> <otieno.barrack at gmail.com> >>> Date: 29th December 2009 12:51 >>>
>>> >>> MM, >>> >>> I guess it's a bit premature to blame the System,
>>> the problem stems >>> from >>> how >>> the whole announcement was
>>> managed, it was improper for the Ministers >>> handlers to say the
>>> results would be available on the site immediately >>> after >>>
>>> the speech, with the anxiety that had been going on i'm sure even
>>> the >>> best >>> servers might not have handled the hits, no
>>> wonder the systems were >>> unable >>> to cope, however this
>>> serves as a lesson to KNEC, i am sure they will >>> do >>> better
>>> in 2010.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Happy New Year !
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 12/29/09, mureithi <mureithi at summitstrategies.co.ke> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Zachary
>>> >>>> This was the great opportunity for the ict system to prove its
>>> value >>>> to >>>> our >>>> society. It failed miserably to just
>>> serve less than 1 percent of the >>>> population and had to walk to
>>> schools. Zain however stood tall and >>>> 2228 >>>> worked.
>>> >>>> ____________
>>> >>>> Muriuki Mureithi
>>> >>>> Summit Strategies Ltd sent from cellphone >>>> >>>>
>>> ________________ Reply Header ________________ >>>> Subject:
>>> [kictanet] KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw deal >>>> Author:
>>> Zachary Ochieng <zzachmbir at yahoo.com> >>>> Date: 29th December 2009
>>> 09:59 >>>> >>>> >>>> Despite the digitisation of exam results by
>>> the Kenya National >>>> Examinations Council (KNEC) and the
>>> Ministry of Education, the >>>> platform >>>> doesn't seem to be
>>> working. My daughter is one of the candidates who >>>> sat >>>>
>>> KCPE in November 2009. But more than two hours after the release of
>>> >>>> the >>>> results by Education minister Sam Ongeri, the KNEC
>>> website from where >>>> the >>>> candidates are supposed to check
>>> their results remains down.
>>> Worse
>>> >>>> still,
>>> >>>> the 2228 no. to which candidates should text their index
>>> numbers to >>>> get >>>> results is also not working but continues
>>> to consume airtime to the >>>> tune of >>>> Ksh 20 per SMS. If
>>> this is not a rip off, then I don't know the >>>> definition, >>>>
>>> coming as it does at a time when the ministry is reeling from a
>>> theft >>>> scandal.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> One wonders what else the ministry could be hiding. While
>>> announcing >>>> the >>>> top candidates, Ongeri never mentioned
>>> the names of their schools.
>>> But
>>> >>>> it is
>>> >>>> anyone's guess that majority of them are from private schools.
>>> Rather
>>> >>>> than
>>> >>>> bash the media as he did during the release of the results,
>>> Ongeri >>>> should >>>> tell us what is bedevilling FPE.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Can someone please help? MY daughter has refused to take lunch
>>> until >>>> she >>>> gets her results.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
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