[kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw deal
Harry Hare
harry at africanedevelopment.org
Fri Jan 8 06:25:01 EAT 2010
ICT has never been silver bullet, probably will never be... But does
a good job as a catalyst/accelerator.
Harry...not Delano :-)
Sent from my iPhone
On 8 Jan 2010, at 05:40, "Harry Delano" <harry at comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
>
>
> Eric here,
>
> I agree with you on this. ICT might be a driver, and a solution to
> most of
> our
> current circumstances but not the ultimate answer to all our
> problems and
> ills.
>
> Thanks Dr. Ndemo, for sharing the research on what ails the
> performance of
> girls
> in our Education system. Am certain a lot of folks are not aware of
> this,
> and for
> this reason the ministry(ies) responsible have their homework cut
> out, to
> sensitize
> and mobilize resources and deal with this directly and urgently -
> The world
> over,
> no one can dare underestimate the contribution of womenfolk to the
> economy.
>
> Can some of the funds allocated for FPE, especially to Rural schools
> go
> towards
> purchasing pads to be made available for these girls,at school so
> that they
> do
> not miss classes...? - My ten cents.. Again is there any senior
> Education
> Ministry
> official on the listing to take this up - I think it's an issue that
> needs
> urgent
> attention..
>
> Secondly, our dear sisters on the listing. I think you'd be best
> placed to
> offer
> suggestions on how best to deal with this issue.
>
> Harry
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke]
> On
> Behalf Of Eric M.K Osiakwan
> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:47 PM
> To: harry at comtelsys.co.ke
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: KNEC giving
> candidates,parents a raw deal
>
> Dr. Ndemo,
>
> While am all for the prescription of ICT as a solution to this
> endermic
> problem, for what it is worth, if you may....we need to be careful
> of not
> ignoring the need to make some structured changed to our culture and
> way of
> living because they are anti-productive.
>
> In this case, though your ICT solution is fantastic, we need to let
> our
> rural folks know that when a girl is 13, she starts a cycle that
> requires
> her to use sanitary pads and then go to school, instead of staying
> at home.
> It is absurd that in the 21 century, our folks cannot appreciate the
> value
> of educating the female spice and we come up with all kinds of nice
> excuses
> to keep them at bay. Am sorry but we need to uproot that mindset and
> dispose
> it quickly.
>
> I have found something else under the sun, we have a tendancy in
> Africa to
> go around the problem when we should face it headon and deal with
> it. One of
> the reasons for failure of ICT projects is not because of ICT but we
> apply
> it to processes and structures that need to change and because we dont
> change those processes and structures, the outcomes is zero and then
> we
> blame it on ICT.
>
> Good evening.
>
> Eric here
>
>
>
> On 7 Jan 2010, at 12:12, bitange at jambo.co.ke wrote:
>
>> Akich,
>> I understand your frustration. We need to emulate the British
>> education reforms. Final exams only account for a small percentage.
>> Let me explain the depth of our education problems then show you why
>> we need to change the status quo.
>>
>> World over, Girls do better than boys between ages 6 and 13. Boys
>> only begin to be competitive after testestron kicks in. In rural
>> Kenya very bright young girls are wasted every year because by 13,
>> they begin their periods and in the absence of sanitary towels, they
>> miss classes between 5 and seven days every month. Obviously their
>> KCPE results come out poor and then we consign them to becoming House
> Girls in urban centers.
>>
>> We can change this nonsense with ICT. We need to send end term exam
>> result to a central database. Each school can scan the report card
>> and have it sent to KNEC. We then use the continuous assessment for
>> up to 60% of testing. KCPE will then contribute the 40%. Let us go
>> back to our girls with this model. A girl who performed well up to
>> std. 6 or 7 will need very little marks to pass KCPE.
>>
>> This model will actually eliminate cheating. It will also save many
>> of our daughters from being condemed for sins that are not of their
>> own making.
>>
>> I am hoping we get to roll out Digital Villages countrywide in order
>> to provide an e-learning platform that would level the playing field.
>> This will be our little contribution to our education.
>>
>>
>> Ndemo.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Listeners,
>>> Thanks to Dkt Ndemo, Esther, Sam and all who have been contributing
>>> to this debate which is of a great national concern. As they say
>>> with
>>> education; "You are a beneficiary OR affected either directly or
>>> indirectly". From the education system, a nation produces men and
>>> women who contribute to national development. A portion of the
>>> dropouts decides to give the communities a preveiew of life in hell
>>> in the name of criminal activities.
>>>
>>> Ndemo mentioned issues of teachers being recruited locally, hence a
>>> sinking community will continue sinking becauce they don't want to
>>> see "foreign teachers". How comes policemen are posted anywhere in
>>> the country yet they earn less than teachers (ex-bribery)? Esther's
>>> proposal of introducig bridging courses has been a success in
>>> private
>>> universities and has given opportunities to thousands to build their
>>> careers. If Sam's ideas are implemented, we shall have housegirls
>>> who
>>> are equiped to be trusted with the young ones with basic health
>>> standards, cooking and other domestic needs.
>>>
>>> This week, I rejected some of the textbooks given to my daughter
>>> at a
>>> public school in the name of FPE because they were in pathetic
>>> conditions and I have buy them myself if she has to learn. To
>>> conclude, how many years shall it take us to be near education
>>> system
>>> like in UK where the former Prime Minister, Tony Blair once said
>>> with
>>> pride that he went to a public school.
>>>
>>> Akich Kwach
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Sam Aguyo
>>> To: kwach at archway-productions.com
>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 10:14 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: KNEC giving
>>> candidates,parents a raw deal
>>>
>>>
>>> Listerners,
>>>
>>> My view is that we need more of a change of attitude than anything
>>> else.
>>> Our minds are more of exam driven than the ultimate delivery this
>>> happens at all levels and we end up churning out questionable
>>> graduates at all levels.
>>>
>>> Lets assume at the end of KCPE those who have not made it to form
>>> one can be absorbed at training institutions that train nannies,
>>> househelps, garden boys etc. Those who have joined form one can
>>> sit
>>> another exam KJSE and those who have not made it can be trained to
>>> be
>>> professional something. At form KCSE those who have not made it can
>>> also be trained to do something else it goes on and on. This to
>>> many
>>> sounds outrageous but it may not be far from the reality.
>>>
>>> At the speed we are going to have everybody attain university
>>> education and end up with a white collar job, am reluctant to be
>>> near
>>> my brothers and sisters, they are wild since am not doing enough to
>>> abtain them a white collar job despite paying fees all the way to
> university.
>>>
>>> Sometimes we need to borrow example this time round from US where
>>> people honour all careers and pay for it. By the way with due
>>> respect what is the profession of Mr Tiger Woods wife?
>>>
>>> Sam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ---------
>>> From: Esther Muchiri <>
>>> To: saguyo at yahoo.com
>>> Cc: Skunk Works <skunkworks at my.co.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy
>>> Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>; ke-users
>>> <ke-internetusers at bdix.net>
>>> Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 8:43:04 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: KNEC giving
>>> candidates, parents a raw deal
>>>
>>> Now that we all agree there is a problem with our 8-4-4 system,
>>> especially considering the number of dropouts every year, how about
>>> an introduction of 'bridging' courses for those who did not perform
>>> so well (due to one reason or another)? I am sure there are many
>>> other factors that contribute to poor performance, e.g. panic.
>>>
>>> Would it be wrong if some private secondary schools decided to admit
>>> those who failed (say 180-250 marks) into form one, but then
>>> offer a
>>> mandatory
>>> 3
>>> month bridging course to bring them at par with the more qualified
>>> candidates? This would reduce the number of dropouts, and perhaps
>>> give them hope and a chance to complete secondary school. I know
>>> universities offer bridging courses - why not high school?
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>>
>>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces
>>> +emuchiri=andestbites.com at lists.kictanet.or.k
>>> e]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of bitange at jambo.co.ke
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 7:26 PM
>>> To: emuchiri at andestbites.com
>>> Cc: Skunk Works; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; ke-users
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: KNEC giving
>>> candidates, parents a raw deal
>>>
>>> Akich,
>>> The dynamics of our democratized society are too complex. As a
>>> child growing up in rural Kisii we had teachers from different
>>> parts
>>> of the country. Our people (Kenyans) demanded that we must go
>>> local
>>> and remove "foreigners". We escalted this foreigner concept to the
>>> extent we were in Dec. 2007.
>>>
>>> Local teachers now have to finish with their small enterprises
>>> before they consider students. Some have to till their shambas
>>> first. These are the people we call hard working and we all know
>>> about this. There is no passion to teach anymore and when they
>>> teach, they do it in venacular.
>>> Ministry of education knows about this. The solution is difficult
>>> and highly political. Reforms will see at least 50,000 teachers
> retired.
>>> Anybody implementing this kind of reforms would be attacked from all
>>> corners including yes parents.
>>>
>>> In my view we need to raise the minimum teacher qualification to
>>> undergraduate and they work anywhere in the country as any other
>>> civil servant. We must tie performance to any pay increase.
>>> Atwoli
>>> apende asipende.
>>>
>>> Just my personal thoughts.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>> Ndemo.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Daktari Ndemo,
>>>> As one of the concerened parents and citizens, I must admit the
>>>> truth
>>> can
>>>> be
>>>> sometimes very bitter especially when you compare the
>>>> qaulifications
>>> of
>>>> public primary school teachers with that of private schools. The
>>> disparity
>>>> is even worse when you look at the rural schools. On the issue of
>>> whether
>>>> we
>>>> need the KCPE exams, I would request you to pose that question to
>>>> your couterpart at the MoE Prof Karega and share with us his
>>>> opinion,
>>> whether
>>>> personal or official.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers and Happy New Year
>>>>
>>>> Akich Kwach
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
>>>> To: "wesley kirinya" <kiriinya2000 at yahoo.com>
>>>> Cc: "Skunk Works" <skunkworks at my.co.ke>; "KICTAnet ICT Policy
>>> Discussions"
>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>; "ke-users"
>>> <ke-internetusers at bdix.net>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:46 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Re: [kictanet] KNEC giving
>>>> candidates,parents a raw deal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Wesley,
>>>> No one should fail an exam because we have nowhere to take them if
>>> they
>>>> passed. Already we have B grade students who are not getting into
>>>> Universiry.
>>>>
>>>> Every year we get similar concerns but no one has ever asked if
>>>> indeed
>>> we
>>>> need KCPE exams. To date I do not know the objective of this exam.
>>> If
>>>> our promlem just like everybody else is literacy, then we only need
>>> the
>>>> KCSE exams. The assumption here is that by the time someone sits
>>>> for KCSE, they would be literate and mature enough to consider
>>>> options.
>>> At
>>>> KCPE level, I am afraid we keep on increasing our illiteracy levels
>>> the
>>>> moment 250,000 fail to proceed further.
>>>>
>>>> In my view we all have failed to analyse this problem objectively.
>>> Media
>>>> keeps on reporting but not analysing the problems. Citizens
>>>> continue
>>> to
>>>> complain and not making proposals to the Government. The KNUT,
>>> parents,
>>>> politicians have subjected the Ministry into crisis mode instead of
>>>> reforming the sector. KNUT knows that at least one third of
>>>> teacheers
>>> in
>>>> Primary Public Schools cannot pass or did not pass KCPE. Then we
>>>> ask
>>> why
>>>> Private Schools perform better?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ndemo.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'm concerned about the hundreds of thousands of students that
>>>>> will
>>> miss
>>>>> high school. Last year 250,000 missed it. Over a five year period,
>>> this
>>>>> adds up to more than a million, in a country whose population is
>>> about
>>>>> 40
>>>>> million!
>>>>>
>>>>> Out of those who go to high school, only a handful end up in
>>> university.
>>>>> Someone should do a sturdy on the loss to our economy. The
>>>>> government spends lots on money to educate 250,000 people annually
>>>>> who will not
>>> get
>>>>> to high school. With our current systems, most of these 250,000
>>>>> will
>>> not
>>>>> get descent employment/stable sources of income. Most of them come
>>> from
>>>>> rural areas, which are the areas that need serious development and
>>>>> skilled man-power to drive the development. If I opened a branch
>>>>> of
>>>>> my
>>> company
>>>>> in
>>>>> some rural area of Kenya, who will I employ? Even if I employ some
>>>>> people, they would be threatened by the Mungiki-types (children
>>>>> who
>>>>> join
>>> gangs
>>>>> in
>>>>> order to extort money)
>>>>>
>>>>> We need every child in Kenya, willing to go to school, to be able
>>>>> to archieve at least Diploma level. Without that, we should forget
>>> vision
>>>>> 2030 and competing with India and other Asian countries! The
>>>>> Chinese will continue building our roads, as Kenyans sweep them
>>>>> with brooms, not
>>> even
>>>>> specialized machines!
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to bring in a different perspective as to the low
>>>>> performance, which someone mentioned as seriously wrong. What
>>>>> would
>>>>> happen if most students passed their exams, especially now with
>>>>> record
>>> numbers
>>>>> enrolling in schools? Where will they go? You would have students
>>> with B
>>>>> grades missing high school. That would be a great embrassment to
>>>>> goverment.
>>>>>
>>>>> If money is available to buy fleets of new cars (which dont really
>>> add
>>>>> to
>>>>> our GDP), surely there should be money for better quality of
>>> education
>>>>> for
>>>>> our children (which definately adds to our GDP).
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a national disaster.
>>>>>
>>>>> O~(
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Wed, 12/30/09, Akich Kwach <kwach at archway-productions.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Akich Kwach <kwach at archway-productions.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw deal
>>>>> To: kiriinya2000 at yahoo.com
>>>>> Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>>>> Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 9:39 AM
>>>>>
>>>>> Gentlemen,
>>>>> Thanks for sharing your concerns. I would agree with MM and
>>>>> Zachary
>>>>> because KNEC ought to have known every candidate and parents would
>>>>> be interested in getting their results at the earliest hour and
>>>>> should
>>> have
>>>>> tested the system's capacity ahead of time. It is sad upto this
>>>>> hour,
>>> I
>>>>> spent on SMS three times and no reply yet. If such trends
>>>>> continue,
>>> the
>>>>> ICT investments might just be a wate of public funds and citizens
>>> might
>>>>> lose faith in the so called e-Govt. I would humbly request the PS,
>>>>> Dr Bitange and the ICT Board to intervene and find out what
>>>>> transpired
>>> at
>>>>> the
>>>>> KNEC system.
>>>>>
>>>>> For the parents who had 2009 candidates, I am concerned with the
>>> general
>>>>> national perfomance taking into account that subjects such as SST
>>> where
>>>>> candidates usually score high marks recorded poor performance,
>>> something
>>>>> is not right somewhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> WISHING YOU A HAPPY 2010
>>>>>
>>>>> Akich Kwach
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "mureithi"
>>>>> <mureithi at summitstrategies.co.ke>
>>>>> To: <kwach at archway-productions.com>
>>>>> Cc: <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:43 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw deal
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks barrack
>>>>>> For the candidate and their family they interacted with the ict
>>> system
>>>>>> and the interface was the sms and the web. We should not hide
>>>>>> behind huge traffic because the phenomena and the time is known
>>>>>> and the implications.
>>>>>> Another terrible failure is that i and many thousands kenyans
>>>>>> paid
>>>>>> upfront to the ict system for a service that was not delivered
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ____________
>>>>>> Muriuki Mureithi
>>>>>> Summit Strategies Ltd sent from cellphone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________ Reply Header ________________
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw
>>>>>> deal
>>>>>> Author: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Date: 29th December 2009 12:51
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MM,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess it's a bit premature to blame the System, the problem
>>>>>> stems from how the whole announcement was managed, it was
>>>>>> improper
>>>>>> for the
>>> Ministers
>>>>>> handlers to say the results would be available on the site
>>> immediately
>>>>>> after
>>>>>> the speech, with the anxiety that had been going on i'm sure even
>>> the
>>>>>> best
>>>>>> servers might not have handled the hits, no wonder the systems
>>>>>> were unable to cope, however this serves as a lesson to KNEC, i
>>>>>> am
>>>>>> sure they
>>> will
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> better in 2010.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Happy New Year !
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/29/09, mureithi <mureithi at summitstrategies.co.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Zachary
>>>>>>> This was the great opportunity for the ict system to prove its
>>> value
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>> society. It failed miserably to just serve less than 1 percent
>>>>>>> of
>>> the
>>>>>>> population and had to walk to schools. Zain however stood tall
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> 2228
>>>>>>> worked.
>>>>>>> ____________
>>>>>>> Muriuki Mureithi
>>>>>>> Summit Strategies Ltd sent from cellphone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ________________ Reply Header ________________
>>>>>>> Subject: [kictanet] KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw deal
>>>>>>> Author: Zachary Ochieng <zzachmbir at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> Date: 29th December 2009 09:59
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Despite the digitisation of exam results by the Kenya National
>>>>>>> Examinations Council (KNEC) and the Ministry of Education, the
>>>>>>> platform doesn't seem to be working. My daughter is one of the
>>>>>>> candidates
>>> who
>>>>>>> sat
>>>>>>> KCPE in November 2009. But more than two hours after the release
>>>>>>> of the results by Education minister Sam Ongeri, the KNEC
>>>>>>> website
>>>>>>> from
>>> where
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> candidates are supposed to check their results remains down.
>>>>>>> Worse still, the 2228 no. to which candidates should text their
>>>>>>> index numbers to get results is also not working but continues
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> consume airtime to the tune of Ksh 20 per SMS. If this is not a
>>>>>>> rip off, then I don't know the definition, coming as it does
>>>>>>> at a
>>>>>>> time when the ministry is reeling from a
>>> theft
>>>>>>> scandal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One wonders what else the ministry could be hiding. While
>>> announcing
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> top candidates, Ongeri never mentioned the names of their
>>>>>>> schools.
>>> But
>>>>>>> it is
>>>>>>> anyone's guess that majority of them are from private schools.
>>> Rather
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>> bash the media as he did during the release of the results,
>>>>>>> Ongeri
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> tell us what is bedevilling FPE.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can someone please help? MY daughter has refused to take lunch
>>> until
>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>> gets her results.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --- Be the change you want to see in the world.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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