[kictanet] [i-network] Internet IP Addresses running out?

Tue Dec 7 23:43:05 EAT 2010

I don't totally agree with this assertion. I have seen organizations
put 10 public ip address on a server and web hosts dole out IPs like
there is no tommorow.

While IPV6 is a good thing, its not a silver bullet

We can multihome, NAT, redirect etc etc. And when IPs really run out,
free market economics will come into play (ISPs and hosts will ask for
more money) and consumers will go economical :)

My two cents

On 12/7/10, Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
> Quite true, Wals.., Telcos/ISPs still abit lethargic and have other priority
> areas at the moment. Perhaps this
> doesn't really quite seem an urgency as it should.
>
> Harry
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> Behalf Of Walubengo J
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:43 AM
> To: harry at comtelsys.co.ke
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [i-network] Internet IP Addresses running out?
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> McTim,
>
> True that we are unlikely to have IPv6 ONLY services soon. But it is also
> true that this could be the ONLY (business) reason to get African
> ISPs/Telcos to adopt IPv6 networks. The idea that one futuristic day, their
> customers will one day wake up and find that they cannot access some IPv6
> only services hosted overseas... and then their customers will migrate to
> Telcos/ISPs that are IPv6 ready (i.e. can provide the access to IPv6 only
> services).
>
> In Africa we find ourselves in a retrogressive "benefit" in that our IPv4
> uptake is so slow that it could take us another 10-15yrs to exhaust -
> meaning we can comfortably afford another 8-10years without actually being
> FORCED to use the new generation IPv6 networks. By that time, the rest of
> the world would have had 10+ solid years of IPv6 technology experience and
> we shall as usual be trying to  play catchup...
>
> walu.
>
>
> --- On Sun, 12/5/10, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
>
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>
> From: McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [i-network] Internet IP Addresses running out?
> To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu at yahoo.com>, "KICTAnet KICTAnet"
> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 5:58 PM
>
>
> Walu, it is highly unlikely that we will see v6 only services anytime
> soon. There is no business case to run v6 only, since most folk will
> be dualstacked going forward. In any case, here in £frica, we will
> have a much longer time before our RIR exhaustion date due to our low
> v4 burn rate. Rgds, mctim
>
> On 12/5/10, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Am glad that Uganda has picked this up. Indeed the current IPv4 numbers
> are
>> so depleted that estimates show that the last bunch (slash /8s of IPv4)
>> numbers from IANA (or ICANN) will be distributed some time in Q1, 2011.
>>
>> You can check this some of these Statistics on the AfriNIC or other sites
>> below:
>> http://www.afrinic.net/statistics
>> http://ipv6.he.net/statistics/
>>
>> @Ronald,
>> Yes we have no reason to panic in as far as what to do next is concerned
>> i.e. adopt IPv6 the next generation internet protocol. BUT we have EVERY
>> REASON to worry because the adoption in Africa is extremely poor. What
> these
>> means is that as the developed economies adopt IPv6, at time will come
> when
>> they may opt to run IPv6 ONLY services and then African Users will begin
> to
>> wonder why they are unable to access services (e.g. youtube, cnn.com,
>> twitter etc)
>>
>> @ Wire,
>> IPv4 depletion and assosciated challenges are as real as u and me.  This
> is
>> no Y2k hype - even though I trust that the Y2k hype did help stimulate
> some
>> action that historians are left to judge whether that indeed is what saved
>> the world ;-)
>>
>> walu.
>>
>>
>> --- On Sun, 12/5/10, Ronald Kato <katoronald at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Ronald Kato <katoronald at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [i-network] Internet IP Addresses running out?
>> To: "I-Network Uganda" <i-network at dgroups.org>
>> Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 1:44 PM
>>
>> Yes it it is true that IPv4 addresses are getting depleted so fast but
> steps
>> are being taken to embrace IPv6 and this is through emerging technologies
>> being able to support IPv6. Right from new new laptops and other network
>> devices to new versions of applications and operating systems, they are
> all
>> now built to support IPv6.
>>
>> It is up to the ISP,government and all relevant bodies to inform the
> public
>> about the need to adopt IPv6. Many are still are still unaware about the
>> existence of IPv6 let alone how it is used and assigned.
>>
>> Lastly, with IPv4 to IPv6 tunneling, we will have both addressing schemes
>> able to communicate with one another.
>>
>> Ronald, you shouldn't worry as steps have already been taken to cover the
>> IPv4 depletion.
>>
>> R
>> Ronald
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Fred Bbaale <bbaale at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> James,
>>
>> Augment yr reasoning. It would be self defeating for you to just wish
>>
>> away the problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> Fred.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/5/10, James Wire <lunghabo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ronald
>>
>>>
>>
>>> I consider that FUD (Fear Uncertainty and Doubt). It is the same scare
>>
>>> tactics that were used by large IT corporates to make money when the
>>
>>> countdown to the year 2000 started in the last decade. Alot was blown
>>
>>> out of proportion and when the Y2k arrived, everything passed incident
>>
>>> free. I am sure Eng Elisha who has the head of the Ugandan Y2k task
>>
>>> force can agree with me on this.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Wire
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> On Sun, 2010-12-05 at 07:41 +0100, Ronald Wejuli wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>>> Hi Folks
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> ARIN has stated that Internet IP addresses are at critical levels. The
>>
>>>> numbers are shockingly low and ARIN has stated that there is only
>>
>>>> 2.73% left out of the millions of IP addresses currently in use.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> http://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/index.html
>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv4_address_exhaustion
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> With so little IPv4 address space left in the global free pool, ARIN
>>
>>>> continues to emphasize the need for all Internet stakeholders to adopt
>>
>>>> the next generation of Internet Protocol, IPv6. However, with slow
>>
>>>> IPv6 adoption rates amongst ISPs and private industries, we may run
>>
>>>> into a serious problem next year if the remaining IP addresses are
>>
>>>> depleted.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> RW
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