[kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs

Tue Apr 27 09:36:36 EAT 2010

Allot of things on the ground are based on perception and if the perception
is that the Supkem can go around Mandera forcing business to shut down they
operations "in support of Islamic teachings" then to the local Wanjiku that
is itself law...... the statement made by the clerics is that the regions is
predominantly muslim and the teachings should be followed to the letter.
This was not the case with Kijabe.

The Minister can go to the media and say all he wants, but at the end of the
day unless he takes action on such "absurdities" and fast.. then the
perception is that the action carried out by Supkem Mandera is been
ratified.

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Rad! <conradakunga at gmail.com> wrote:

> There is much FUD in this post indeed.
>
> To the gentleman bandying around 'Sharia Law'. Banning DSTV does not Sharia
> law make.
>
> Any decent lawyer can make short work of this 'declaration' as it is
> patently illegal. Kenyans have a constitutional right to assemble. The
> cleric, and SUPKEM have no authority to interfere with the operations of
> DSTV. They have no authority to control what is watched or played in private
> businesses. In fact the only way that declaration would hold is if the
> cleric or SUPKEM owned the spots in question.
>
> As for the constitution, there is no provision either in the current
> constitution or the new draft constitution for any such absurdities.
>
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke>wrote:
>
>>
>> Dear Emmanuel,
>>
>> There is a very clear difference between a chief's proclamation - or read,
>> a
>> "Govt - (which is
>> to an extend been set up through popular will)and laws imposed through
>> religious fundamentalism
>> under flimsy excuses.
>>
>> Now, while it's got everything to do with the current constitution (
>> though
>> I do not have any
>> idea under which chapters these proclamations were meted out, I also
>> believe
>> such moves coming
>> while we are trying to piece together a new one, might be a signal to
>> things
>> to come.Infact,it
>> could mean things could only get worse under the new one.
>>
>> Governance, through popular will is duty-bound to protect the very basic
>> of
>> rights - for all..
>>
>> Harry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: emmanuel.khisa at kadet.co.ke [mailto:emmanuel.khisa at kadet.co.ke]
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:48 AM
>> To: harry at comtelsys.co.ke
>> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs
>>
>> Did I miss some news?
>>
>> I thought what I happened in North Eastern (Mandera) to be specific was a
>> decree that even the Kenyan chief's proclaim from time to time in
>> "Christian" Kenya. When this happens it affects both Christian and Muslim
>> youth alike.
>>
>> I am bound to be corrected but this is happening not under the new
>> Constitution but the current one and so my question is what has it got to
>> do
>> with the new constitution? What has it got to do with the Kadhi's courts
>> or
>> any of those parts being contested?
>>
>> I really think that as reasonable and kind Christ followers, we must ask
>> ourselves, what's Christ do?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Emmanuel
>> PS: The views expressed here are my own..
>>
>>
>> >  -------Original Message-------
>> >  From: Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke>
>> >  To: emmanuel.khisa at kadet.co.ke
>> >  Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> >  Subject: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs
>> >  Sent: Apr 26 '10 22:26
>> >
>> >  You mean, there is something called Sharia law, in this  country...???
>> >
>> >  Last time I checked, it's the kind of law applied and dictated  by
>> > fundamentalists  upon hapless citizenry, with no regard  whatsoever
>> > for the very basic of  basic  human rights..
>> >
>> >  So, who is fooling who..?  Next thing, internet will be  outlawed in
>> > that  section  of the nation. Who knows where next. And this is at a
>> > time we  working to  open up space and bridge the national divide.
>> > Time to smell  coffee...
>> >
>> >  Harry
>> >
>> >
>> >  --------------------
>> >  FROM:  kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> >  [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry <kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>=
>> comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke]
>> > ON  BEHALF OF S.Murigi Muraya
>> >  SENT: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 1:09  AM
>> >  TO: harry at comtelsys.co.ke
>> >  CC: KICTAnet ICT Policy  Discussions
>> >  SUBJECT: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the  Sheikhs
>> >
>> >
>> >  Please note Article 24 Subsection 4 of our soon to be new
>> > constitution  limits how the Bill of Rights may apply to the one
>> > religion the  Kenyan  state is funding with the approval of Kenyans who
>> vote YES!
>> >
>> >  Of  course the Kenyan media is too busy slandering Churches to point
>> > this  out.
>> >
>> >
>> >  On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Wainaina Mungai <[LINK:
>> >  mailto:wainaina at madeinkenya.org] wainaina at madeinkenya.org>  wrote:
>> >  The recent move by Muslim Sheikhs to enforce Sharia Law,   outlaw DSTV,
>> >  video dens & related activities in Mandera could not have   come at a
>> >  more unfortunate time. The support they have received from   SUPREM
>> >  (Supreme Council of Kenya Muslims) further complicates the debate   on
>> >  the "continued" inclusion of Kadhi Courts in our   Constitution.
>> >
>> >  Now that the SUPKEM has proved to support such apparent   'treason' in
>> >  my secular nation,  President Kibaki and Prime Minister   Odinga must
>> >  also commit to ensuring that religion and religious courts are
>> omitted
>> >  from the new constitution. That is the pact they must sign with the
>> NO
>> >  campaign if a YES vote is to sail through without question.   No
>> >  religion, especially fundamentalist Islam, should enjoy the
>> privileges
>> >  of my hard-earned taxes to propagate religious activities that   may
>> >  disintegrate into such treasonable actions as by the Sheikhs.
>> >
>> >  My   vote would easily change to a resounding "NO" unless I am assured
>> >  by the   Constitution that no Sheikh or Buddist monk, Hindu priest or
>> >  Christian   cleric will get away with the absurd audacity of attempting
>> >  to determine   where I watch my Supersport matches, what I drink as I
>> do
>> >  so; where and   what I can smoke or drink in an independent secular
>> >  KENYA.
>> >
>> >  No   religion should 'get it twisted' on its place in secular Kenya and
>> >  no   loopholes should allow Sheikhs or SUPKEM to get away with such
>> >  treasonable   actions.
>> >
>> >  Regards,
>> >  Wainaina
>> >
>> >  --
>> >  Sent from my mobile   device
>> >
>> >  Wainaina Mungai
>> >  -----
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