[kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus

Wed Apr 7 17:04:35 EAT 2010

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On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
>
>
> Hey Liko,
>
> Wow, that "ideating" bit, is quite something.....
>
> Now, am certain from the passion am seeing from these posts, everyone is out
> to contribute in
> one way or another. The idea is to create an environment of "robust"
> partnership - whether it's
> PPP or whatever we may call it, that would synergise efforts, avoid wastage,
> duplication,
> mismanagement, and move forward.
>
> I suppose, that is what the debate on this forum is all about. If anything
> short of this, then
> I suppose we just close this down, and everyone goes about minding their own
> business..
>
> Harry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Agosta Liko [mailto:agostal at gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:47 PM
> To: harry at comtelsys.co.ke
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus
>
> Harry
>
> I agree with your view .. but my point is before we rate what everyone else
> has done(wrong) we should at least try and do something. Even the smallest
> consulting company {1 man show} can build a simple site to simplify stuff
> ... or to put all government ICT strategy documents.
>
> The bus project may not be the best .. but do we honestly think that having
> those pcs in a lab in a central place will have the same effect ?
>
> Again. Its 2010, we have cheap internet, power does not potea as much, roads
> are better ......
>
> IBM had some good ads about the Doing
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziOG_GHNVq0
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MudaxA80eI4
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Listers,
>>
>> Let's keep the debate on course, without necessarily bringing each
>> other within "cross-hairs"
>>
>> I suppose, all of us have a point. The issue is where can we get to a
>> point of "convergence", as in the final analysis, we all would like to
>> see a more prosperous country through fast-tracked processes that do
>> not take us round in circles.
>>
>> So, let's keep it going..
>>
>> Harry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke]
>> On Behalf Of Agosta Liko
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 1:40 PM
>> To: harry at comtelsys.co.ke
>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus
>>
>> my point is really simple.
>>
>> we have broadband, security is better, roads are better.
>>
>> what are you doing as a Kenyan ?
>>
>> am saying start with the man in the mirror and then po
>>
>> int fingers...
>>
>> On 4/7/10, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Hi Liko,
>>>
>>> Please make a trip to any government office location and count how
>>> many vehicles are grounded, if they cannot sort out a toyota vits
>>> that operated within Nairobi how do you expect them to service a bus
>>> that travels around a district?
>>>
>>> In todays paper there is an issue of funds allocated to a
>>> none-existent hospital in Kayole can your imagine how much easier it
>>> will be to misdirect funds to a moving object.
>>>
>>> It is good that you got to experience the moving bus so do you want
>>> us to stop schools from stocking their local libraries, the moving
>>> movies died because TVs became cheaper and we bought VCRs.  A
>>> technology must be looked at in the context of time.
>>>
>>> The moving bus can be equated to the computer lab at the Univeristy,
>>> yet we can today provide every student with a desktop in their room
>>> or a laptop to carry around at the same price.  If safaricom can
>>> negotiate for a laptop at
>>> 24,000/- shillings imagine how much more muscle the government has,
>>> but it wont because the decision makers still remember the travelling
>>> library and refuse to change with the times.
>>>
>>> Just to go back to the 2007 elections when Orange house was raided by
>>> thugs and Hon. Nyongo said that is was instigated by their opponents
>>> to get access to their membership list, this was a clear indication
>>> that he has not used a flash disk or send a file attachment because
>>> he still remembers the airconditioned computer room when he was in
>> University.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Think global, act local
>>>  Robert Yawe
>>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
>>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>>> Kenya
>>>
>>>
>>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Agosta Liko <agostal at gmail.com>
>>> To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> Sent: Wed, 7 April, 2010 13:12:08
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>> I really dont see an issue with internet by bus.. its a step in the
>>> right direction ... can be made better but one has to start from
>>> somewhere. Internet by bus would work well cos the bus would move
>>> around schools bringing workstations to many places. If a
>>> constituency has 10 workstations, one can make the case that making
>>> them mobile would serve more people as opposed to putting them in one
>>> location
>>>
>>> When I was growing up Kenya National Library used to bring books, KCB
>>> used to have a landrover to bring banking to the people and Cinema
>>> Leo used to bring movies. With time, that model has died ... but it
>>> served a purpose.....
>>>
>>> see, there is a big challenge in kenya
>>>
>>> if you give schools desktops ... some people would say laptops are a
>>> better fit
>>>
>>> if you give schools laptops ... some people would say desktops are
>>> better fit and hard to steal
>>>
>>>
>>> You say that BPO is a joke ... I am sure that over 3000 kenyans work
>>> in that sector now ... and its all semantics if you look at things.
>>> See, Your company manages services {at Orange :) } for clients. So
>>> you are in the local BPO ....
>>>
>>> I respond because I borrowed books from that Kenya National Library
>>> bus, Watched Films at the market and I work in the local BPO sector.
>>>
>>> Also ... please take time and go through this speech by JFK ...
>>> http://www.famousquotes.me.uk/speeches/John_F_Kennedy/5.htm
>>>
>>> Incase you are very busy .. Its always summed up as follows
>>>
>>> "ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for
>>> your country."
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:53 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I disagree on the issue of the bus, last I checked God was not
>>>> sending out bills for solar unlike KPLC & the fuel companies would,
>>>> so why are we obsessed with physical connections.
>>>> Lets role out practical sustainable solutions that will not break
>>>> down soon after implementation, the african needs to stop thinking
>>>> seasonally we need to see the bigger picture.  Lets agree that the
>>>> bus concept was a half brainer and move onto a better model.
>>>> You mentioned the issue of India please search for an article called
>>>> the "hole in the wall" experiment and then based on that we role out
>>>> ICT everywhere. Let us begin where the service can be paid for which
>>>> I believe is at the district headquarters to which the government
>>>> has
>> laid fibre.
>>>> We
>>>> use this as a hub and fern outwards.
>>>> In addition Bwana PS your concept on empowering the local
>>>> authorities to carry out the metro cables is brilliant so lets
>>>> follow it through and use the LATIF fund to implement.
>>>> We can then centralise the functions such as HR, finance and
>>>> procurement and use the savings to pay for the terrestrial fibre
>>>> cable.  90% of these activities do not need Internet access thus
>>>> they should have been implement without waiting for the marine cables.
>>>> The local authorities would then connect their schools and implement
>>>> a centralised management system that would then sort out the issue
>>>> of students being in school for 8 years without ID cards.
>>>> This issue is not rocket science nor brain surgery, it just needs
>>>> basic reasoning and practical application, the bus was a joke & BPO
>>>> is a bigger joke so lets get out from the centre ring and get back
>>>> to
>> reality.
>>>> I have a serious problem with detail which is not a fault as I see
>>>> the bigger picture where others see dots and might explain why I
>>>> have not done a phd on the mating habits of the anorphalise mosquito
>>>> because that will be a pixel.  I know that when I spray doom on the
>>>> mosquito it dies how is irrelevant.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Robert Yawe
>>>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
>>>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>>>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>>>> Kenya
>>>>
>>>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: "bitange at jambo.co.ke" <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
>>>> To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
>>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>> Sent: Tue, 6 April, 2010 23:06:35
>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus
>>>>
>>>> Vitalis,
>>>> Lack of electricity is one of the lame excuses we use to stop
>>>> linking our rural areas. You can now provide Broadband anywhere in the
> country.
>>>> Safaricom has done it to Digital Villages in Karachwonyo and Ugenya.
>>>> Indeed
>>>> in Karachwonyo their was neither electricity nor tarmaked roads.
>>>>
>>>> The bus idea was a self contained project that did not require the
>>>> luxuries you mention here. If we really want to develop this country
>>>> and expand opportunity we must stop sounding like foreigners in this
>>>> country. We must learn to be creative and speak less. We must refuse
>>>> donor money and start individual social responsibilty. We must have
>>>> faith in our abilities.
>>>> Saying
>>>> we cannot manage a bus in a constituency is defeatist and eroding
>>>> the confidence of ever managing our resources.
>>>>
>>>> Ndemo.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my BlackBerryR
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Vitalis Olunga <volunga at yahoo.com>
>>>> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 12:29:13 -0700 (PDT)
>>>> To: <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
>>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus Thanks  a lot Bwana
>>>> PS for your comprehensive response on this issuue regardless of my
>>>> getting into this discussion too late. I am very sorry about this
>>>> lateness.  Of cause  I did  not mean political or legal feasiblty,
>>>> as this could only mean "a sacred  cow project. " What I had in mind
>>>> tends toward economic and technical feasibilty. Of cause not
>>>> commercial viability.  You have indeed responded comphensively in
>>>> all areas, therefore I don't intend to pursue the matter any further.
>>>> However, there are few points of interest which I would wish to
>>>> share (but not into details).
>>>>
>>>> It may not necessarily require to carryout feasibility study to
>>>> deploy computers in rural schools, but it may be necessary, at the
>>>> very basic, to gather some information e.g. availability of power,
>>>> and connectivity or broadband access (fixed and mobile network
>>>> coverage), before distributing computers to theses schools.  This
>>>> may sound simple, but there are a few of cases in the past where
>>>> computers have been donated to some schools in rural areas before
>>>> electricty is connected.  To carryout this kind of exercise may not
>>>> require paying someone huge sums of fee.  This can be done using
>>>> even internal resources (assuming they exist), with minimal help
>>>> from a local consutant. Some of the data may be readily available
>>>> and whta may be requred is only to convert it into useful information.
>>>>
>>>> Digital villages in each constituency was "a very bright idea".
>>>> This could be usefull in nhancing demand for ICT to rural
>>>> commuinities and to extend the same to schools as well.  This is
>>>> where public private parnership could play a fundamental role, with
>>>> involvement of all the satakeholders.
>>>> Alternaetively the ministry of education (with the rural
>>>> communities) could identify at least two  distritric/ provicial
>>>> schools (Boys' & Gilrls' OR
>>>> Mixed) in each constituency where there is braodaband access
>>>> (assuming electricity already exists), or the Ministry of Ifo. could
>>>> work with the service providers to provide broadband aceess last
>>>> mile distribution.  In this case the cost of overeheads required to
>>>> run such a prpject will be minimal (no fuel to run the bus, no bus
>>>> drivers, no maitenace costs of buses due to poor condition of rural
>>>> access roads).  Also some schools may be located in "shadow zones"
>>>> with no signals, and will not be linked by "ICT Bus".  The
>>>> eviroments differ in every country, though "adaptation" can also work.
>>>>
>>>> With the use of digital villages or ICT school labs, then the
>>>> excellent, bright and succesful initiatives/projects  such as Data
>>>> Centres, NOFBI, Teams, etc.  can be of greater benefits to the rural
>>>> schools through e-Learning.  To train the teacher first, on how to
>>>> use ICT, before traing the child is importnat, to avoid or limit
>>>> computer numbers gathering dust in some corners. Similar
>>>> appraoch/pilot project can be replicated for e-Health to connect all
>>>> district hosiptals to a Central Data Portal. In this case, training
>>>> the doctor before nurse is essential. Is to importnat to note that
>>>> involving too many committes in a prpject is a challenge. "Too many
>>>> rats never dig a hole."  Having a Data Centre without (or limited)
>>>> access/connectivity  may negligible impact or benefit. CDF
>>>> management is already complex and challenging. This where one meets
>>>> with numrous political projects at times.
>>>> I intend to stop here, and not to pursue it any more. However, I can
>>>> expand my thoughts in another forum.   Thanks for the good work and
>>>> great ideas.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Vitalis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: "bitange at jambo.co.ke" <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
>>>> To: Vitalis Olunga <volunga at yahoo.com>
>>>> Cc: bitange at jambo.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>> Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 7:08:38 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus
>>>>
>>>> Dear Vitalis,
>>>> My brother you are getting into this matter too late.  For a start,
>>>> you are confusing issues when you ask for a feasibility study.
>>>> Although I do not know which feasibility (legal, economic, technical
>>>> etc) you wanted in place, it is unwise in my view to pay someone to
>>>> do a feasibility study on whether you need to deploy computers in
>>>> the rural areas.  Before we made the proposal to treasury, we
>>>> developed a concept note and observed a similar bus that has been
>>>> providing similar services to kids in Mathare and Kibera.  The
>>>> concept is based on an Indian model that has been very successful in
>>>> arousing interest in ICT (boosting the demand side) in rural India.
>>>> Basically, the objective was to create demand for ICT services among
>>>> the rural folks, introduce ICTs on a pilot basis to schools, youth
>>>> and villagers in all constituencies.  The project was to be
>>>> supported by digital villages throughout the country.  Each bus was
>>>> to have two qualified ICT instructors and managed by District
>>>> Education Boards as
>> well as CDF committees.
>>>> This was a well thought idea and fits in with devolved resources
>>>> idea that we have all been pushing as a basis of equitable
>>>> distribution of resources.  The project was fought from day 1 as not
>>>> feasible.  To date nobody has tabled a feasibility study that helped
>>>> them arrive at that decision.  Ni kupiga mudomo tu.  Why do we make
>>>> so much noise about devolved funds if several committees cannot
>>>> manage one bus per constituency?  Several studies show that
>>>> countries that bought computers and simply put them in class have
>>>> not seen the benefit since not even the teachers use them.  Why?
>>>> Because they did not create the demand for ICTs in the first place.
>>>> In places where you have digital villages, you hear people talking
>>>> about their e-mail, people
>> wanting e-learning platform etc.
>>>> We have been successful with digital villages because we avoided
>>>> unnecessary subsidies and introduced them as enterprises.  Several
>>>> countries deployed these digital villages through NGOs, Donors and
>>>> direct Government subsidy.  They have failed.  The bus was to drive
>>>> demand for e-services in rural areas.
>>>> Where we are in terms of development, we need to take a bit of risk
>>>> by moving to design and implementation and stop wasting resources on
>>>> the so called feasibility studies.  Teams, NOFBI, GCCN, Data
>>>> Centers, etc are some of the most successful projects that were done
>>>> in record period by simply moving to design and implementation.  Of
>>>> course design begets you technical feasibility.  Much of economic
>>>> feasibility can be discerned through googling similar projects.
>>>> Note Piloting a concept that has already succeeded elsewhere and
>>>> within does not require detailed feasibility since you know the
> outcomes.
>>>> Further it is usually difficult to quantify social benefits as in
>>>> the bus case in order to have an objective feasibility study.
>>>>
>>>> Ndemo.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Sorry to respond on this a little bit too late.  My question is
>>>>> whether whether there was any feasibility study carried out before
>>>>> allocation of funds to  this "ICT Bus Projects."  It would be
>>>>> prudent to share such a report with satakeholders. The
>>>>> sustainability of such a project could be questionable. If other
>>>>> strategic alternatives (including building computer labs in
>>>>> schools) were considered, then the reasons for making this choice
>>>>> (ICT Bus) would be of interest to share, even if it is meant to be
>>>>> for a quick fix solution.  E-education/learning is definitly a very
>>>>> important area that needs to be given a priority and .  There are
>>>>> some interestesting analyses
>>>>>
>>>>> Regrds
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Vitalis
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>________________________________
>>>>> From: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
>>>>> To: volunga at yahoo.com
>>>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>>> Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 5:39:31 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I refuse to acknowledge the regional issues because I come from an
>>>>> in an industry that has no ethnicity or regional divide.
>>>>>
>>>>> I plead with you stop selling yourself short by getting embroiled
>>>>> in political side shows, if we set out our objective and kept to
>>>>> the plan we can achieve what I have proposed and more.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even if I asked you to volunteer to go to Mandera and teach ICT you
>>>>> definitely will not, it makes more sense to train the teacher
>>>>> already on the ground.  We can roll out across the country
>>>>> simultaneously as we are not using a single contractor to build the
>>>>> labs or install the solar or the cabling.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just like with the CDF if the area representatives cannot identify
>>>>> their priority areas then lets not try to force it down their throats.
>>>>>
>>>>> Before teaching a man to fish make sure he does eat fish.
>>>>>
>>>>> Technology knows no bounds only the human mind constrains itself
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert Yawe
>>>>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
>>>>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>>>>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>>>>> Kenya
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>________________________________
>>>>> From: "bitange at jambo.co.ke" <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
>>>>> To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
>>>>> Cc: bitange at jambo.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>>>><kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>>> Sent: Wed, 24 March, 2010 19:15:50
>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert,
>>>>> Things are not as easy as you write here.  Today in Kenya you
>>>>> cannot try to do anything without taking into account of regional
>>>>> interests.  I hope you are watching the constitutional process and
>>>>> the
>> regional emotions.
>>>>> Imagine if we were to start with schools in the ASAL region
>>>>> promising to cover the entire country in the next five years.
>>>>> Consider that Ministry of Education does not have adequate number
>>>>> of teachers as we speak yet you will need at least one computer
>>>>> teacher in the 20,000 primary schools and 9,000 secondary schools.
>>>>>
>>>>> If we need to close the digital divide, we all must change.  We
>>>>> must for example begin volunteering to teach both the students and
>>>>> the unemployed youth computers.  By so doing, you will one day live
>>>>> to say what you did for your country.  Like it is said "it is
>>>>> easier said
>> than done".
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ndemo.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems that some sanity is coming into the education realm with
>>>>>> the Hon.
>>>>>> Minister Dr. Ongeri canceling the proposed ICT Bus project, I
>>>>>> believe once bitten twice shy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The project was to cost Kes. 1.2  B with each bus costing Kes. 7
>>>>>> Million which equates to 171 buses that is roughly 24 buses per
>>>>>> province this was surely another scan in the making.  I remember
>>>>>> the MP of Kisumu Hon.
>>>>>> Shabbir raising the issue of the buses and getting dismissed as a
>>>>>> self seeking technology Neanderthal, lets hope this is the
>>>>>> beginning of sanity in the ICT arena, but if I was you I wouldn't
>>>>>> hold my breath.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suspect that the concept of mobile computer labs was a thinking
>>>>>> from the mobile library project but someone forgot that with a
>>>>>> library the books are left behind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With Kes 7 million we could do much more than just a single bus
>>>>>> with 20 computer that requires a driver, insurance, service,
>>>>>> generators, and many other thinks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is my suggestion on how the 7 million could be better
>>>>>> utilised to meet the objectives.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - 20% to be used for physical facilities (stone & mortar) - Kes.
>>>>>> 1.4 M - This can build 150 sq m of classroom space inclusive of
>>>>>> electrical wiring & burger proofed windows. An average computer
>>>>>> lab is 15 sq m which means we can build 10 labs and each can
>>>>>> accommodate 20 screens/pcs.  We could build even more labs if the
>>>>>> Ministry if Housing provided the interlocking soil block making
>>>>>> machines
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - 30% to be used for provision of power to the lab - Kes. 2.1
>>>>>> million we which we need to provide sufficient power.  The
>>>>>> computers will need to be low power consumers therefore we use TFT
>>>>>> screens and cpu sharing devices that allow 1 computer to be used
>>>>>> simultaneously by 4 or more students.
>>>>>> With this our power requirement for each lab would be below 1,000
>>>>>> VA which can easily be supplied by a few solar panels and a
>>>>>> battery bank.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - 20% for the actual hardware - Kes. 1.4 M - DC powered computers,
>>>>>> printers and GSM modem with a good proxy server to provide local
>>>>>> caching.
>>>>>> This will also include structured cabling which will be done by
>>>>>> the graduats of the kazi kwa Vijani initiative where they will
>>>>>> have been offered technical training.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -  20% teacher training - Kes. 1.4 M, even if we have them
>>>>>> certified in ICDL we shall be able to train 66 teachers which
>>>>>> would provide enough computer teachers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - 10% well I leave you to decide what to do with that, note that
>>>>>> there are no recurrent costs such as drivers, diesel, electricity
>>>>>> costs (God does not charge for solar, yet).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The 10 labs can be used by the schools during the day and could be
>>>>>> made available to the community in the evenings and as digital
>>>>>> villages over the weekends where content can be generated, yes
>>>>>> local content (ask me for details).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now that I have spend the equivalent of 1 bus to create 10 centers
>>>>>> why won't we actually do this, because I did not factor in the
>>>>>> feasibility study costs, 30%, seminars and workshops 50%, sitting
>>>>>> allowances 20% and well nothing else to include as the preliminary
>>>>>> costs have already consumed the 7 million.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ongeri hurray but lets hope the money will not go to drinking
>>>>>> water and writing materials for a bonding session.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Robert Yawe
>>>>>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
>>>>>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>>>>>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>>>>>> Kenya
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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