[kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked

Harry Delano harry at comtelsys.co.ke
Wed Apr 7 15:40:43 EAT 2010 

S. Murigi,

Hey is it an ipad you typing on....?? Anyways, just on a lighter note...

So, what could be the best way forward? It seems, we just got a whole myriad
of organizations out here, some of them I'm hearing for the 1st time..

Harry 

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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked

About 2 years ago went to the KICTB offices then at Waiyaki Way. My purpose
then was to find out what they were about.

Was referred to a visibly irritated fellow who was done with me in less than
1 minute only telling me to check the KICTB website. 

Have waited to see what they would come up with and am not too disappointed.
For one they organize, co sponsor or market industry events that yuppies can
be involved in without falling asleep. Being sort of experienced in the
professional tech skills development field this can authoritatively say this
is one of the 'enabling situations' we have lacked locally.

We need skills but companies are not willing to train unethical techies who
jump ship immediately after being sharpened. On the other hand techies are
unable to effectively educate themselves without corporate or tech community
support eg. www.ihub.co.ke 

Training centers are not too doing well financially & cannot hire the best
(often more experienced) techies because corporates are not training as much
as they should. By working with industry giants (eg Google, Microsoft,
Oracle) & their partners the KICTB is somehow helping educate techies via
these industry events.

If anything, the KICTB needs to exist for this purpose -> to help build
capacity in the local tech industry. They are exposing budding software
entreprenuers to Indian outsourcing practices to name another 'situation'
they are enabling. GITS, NCS etc do not do this as far as I know.

Nimechoka - typing on a mobile.

SMM

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From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 16:52
To: murigi.muraya at gmail.com
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked

Dr. Siganga,

Your write up makes  sense, i guess we have been mixing too many issues, in
other words we handle government agencies and industry associations
separately, sounds like the meeting is a welcome idea, i suggest government
agencies first.

Regards

On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:03 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet at mailcan.com>
wrote:
> Hi Evans, all - we have discussed the issue of a statutory body to 
> regulate ICT professionalism on this list in the past and the 
> discussion did not go far. Some said that we would be interfering with 
> "innovation". Some mentioned Bill Gates as a guy who has done much but 
> does not have any professional qualification. Yet others had other 
> stories (e.g. the three blind men story from Brian and his note to 
> Walu on 7/7/08:
>> I beg to differ. ICT is too large, too deep and too wide to have a 
>> single, authoritative, representative body. What you refer to would 
>> probably be more appropriate to some of the professional disciplines 
>> within the ICT sector e.g. Software Developers Guild, System 
>> Administrators Association, CIO/CTO Society - within which there can 
>> be certain codes of behavior, ethics, values, best practices etc...
>
> On 10/9/08 on this list I re-introduced the topic of a statutory body 
> such as LSK,ICPAK, ... to guide the ICT profession. In my mail I even 
> included a "draft ICT Professionals Act".  The idea received cold 
> water except from Kamotho.
>
> One distinction between "profession" and "Industry". In my mind I see 
> statutory bodies as more regulating "profession" rather than "industry".
> Industry bodies are normally private sector initiatives formed by 
> interested persons to achieve common goals. I can be surprised to hear 
> the government being asked to help set up an "industry" association of 
> any type. Private sector associations engage the government, so how 
> can the same government be involved in their set up? The other 
> axiomatic thing about associations is that the ones that do not 
> deliver invariably die a natural death - and there are many examples 
> of this in Kenya even within ICT. It is not difficult to set up a 
> membership association (just like a Church or Club which are set up under
the same "Societies Act").
> People cannot be stopped from setting up associations because the 
> Constitution guarantees freedom of association. This means those who 
> have any bright ideas that are not accommodated by existing 
> associations cannot have an excuse or choose to take up the role of 
> professional hecklers of existing associations.
>
> Within ICT we agreed some years to accommodate multiple associations 
> which then converge under KEPSA umbrella to offer a unified voice. 
> This I think is working very well as recently exemplified at the Prime 
> Minister's Round Table where ICT issues were very well articulated.
>
> With regard to Prof's suggestion to discuss government agencies and 
> private sector associations at the same meeting I think that would 
> create much confusion and even opportunities for red herrings to be 
> thrown around. It is mixing oranges and apples. The word "association"
> is actually a short form. The exact terminology is "membership 
> association". An association is made up of members who voluntarily 
> come together and run their interests. The members have their own 
> channels to discuss their issues. It does not take much imagination to 
> realize that someone who is NOT a "member" is unlikely to have 
> overflowing goodwill towards (leave alone information about) the 
> association. However, associations face a lot of challenges and a 
> specific get together of associations to discuss best practices and 
> ways of being sustainable and more effective would be welcome. The 
> Business Advocacy Fund is for example doing a great and positive job 
> in the direction of capacity building and funding. Well done to them. 
> Another useful type of meeting is the type you refer to that was held 
> at KICC a couple of years ago where associations can inform a wider 
> audience about their activities and roles and, perhaps, recruit more
members. Overall, an associations'
> meeting should be a focused one and not be mixed up with one for 
> government agencies; and guest list should be expanded from Prof's 
> limiting suggestion of "the plethora of ICT industry associations that 
> are not effective" to include those which are effective so that others 
> can learn from them as well.
>
> Waudo
> www.cskonline.org
>
>
> On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 02:38 -0500, ikua at lpakenya.org wrote:
>> Dear listers,
>> Did we not have a similar meeting not too long ago? I think it was 
>> about two years or so. Cant remember who had organized it but it was 
>> there at KICC. Same theme of taking stock of all ICT bodies. Cant 
>> remember if the Government agencies were represented.
>>
>> Not that I have a problem with yet another similar meeting, but we 
>> need to clearly set out what we want to achieve with that kind of 
>> gathering. Its common knowledge that the ICT industry is awash with 
>> all manner of associations/organizations and Government bodies. Isn't 
>> it time that we had the sort of organization that we see with other 
>> professions like Accountants and Lawyers etc? Isn't it time that the 
>> Government created a statutory industry association? This can easily 
>> be achieved by such legislation as the policy document presented by 
>> the PS the other day, or the Communications Act that was passed not 
>> too long ago.
>>
>> Inasmuch as the Government so believes in the increasing importance 
>> that ICT plays in the economy, then its imperative that we have an 
>> industry body that would take care of all others, say like a CSK that 
>> is recognized by an Act of parliament.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ikua
>>
>> Quoting Mwololo Tim <timwololo at gmail.com>:
>>
>> > Dear all,
>> > The discussion needs to be on the institutional framework for ICTs 
>> > in Kenya, not just on KICTB. It needs to cover KICTB, NCS and 
>> > DEG/GITS. It also needs to include the plethora of ICT industry
associations that are not effective.
>> > I can organize such a townhall meeting in Chiromo like the first one.
>> > However, for such a meeting to be useful, it needs to be preceded 
>> > by some guided discussion on the same. Alternatively, one or two  
>> > persons can prepare presenations to guide the discussions, with 
>> > these presentations being made available earlier for participants 
>> > to acquint with them. I am also prepared to be one of those 
>> > persons. tim
>> >
>> > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Barrack Otieno
>> > <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> >> Daktari,
>> >>
>> >> Thank you for setting the ball rolling, not sure i saw the 
>> >> document as well it must have been hijacked. A town hall meeting 
>> >> is a welcome idea i second it, Kippra felt sufficiently 
>> >> philanthropic before the last town hall meeting i wonder whether 
>> >> they can double their offer during this easter season, bwn Magolo 
>> >> can we count on you. Walu can set the agenda.
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau 
>> >> <solo.mburu at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > On 04/04/2010, bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:
>> >> >> Barrack,
>> >> >> Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it 
>> >> >> will be
>> >> wise
>> >> >> if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had 
>> >> >> on
>> >> Malili.
>> >> >> Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create 
>> >> >> these agencies without putting some thought to it.  Criticisms 
>> >> >> are good only when you point out where there are gaps.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only 
>> >> >> one
>> >> person
>> >> >> did respond.  What it means then is that this forum ni ya 
>> >> >> kuchongoana
>> >> tu.
>> >> >
>> >> > Dakitari, with due respect, would you mind resending the policy 
>> >> > proposals as a new thread so that interested parties may respond?
>> >> > If sent within this thread, I'm afraid they'll be swallowed 
>> >> > along the
>> >> way.
>> >> >
>> >> >> Which really is unfortunate.  I have four other policy 
>> >> >> proposals that I really think should push through then arouse 
>> >> >> sufficient interest from
>> >> the
>> >> >> membership here.
>> >> >
>> >> > I also think you should send them so that we react to the contents!
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Ndemo.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this 
>> >> >>> questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can 
>> >> >>> someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in 
>> >> >>> ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i 
>> >> >>> saw a  post from Paul on what the board has achieved early 
>> >> >>> this year, that was very much in order we need something from NCS
as well plus any other agencies.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Regards
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga 
>> >> >>> <volunga at yahoo.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>> There is also another body , National Communications 
>> >> >>>> Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord 
>> >> >>>> and how do the two bodies
>> >> relate
>> >> >>>> with respect to  advisory services to the governement on ICT
matters?
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Regards
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Vitalis
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> ________________________________
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>> >> >>>> To: volunga at yahoo.com
>> >> >>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions 
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>> >> >>>> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM
>> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Hi,
>> >> >>>> I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, 
>> >> >>>> Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to 
>> >> >>>> do anything and everything under the sun that could be called 
>> >> >>>> ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier.
>> >> >>>> Functions of Kenya ICT Board
>> >> >>>> The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the 
>> >> >>>> Kenya
>> >> Gazette
>> >> >>>> Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007:
>> >> >>>> ?  To advice the government on all relevant matters 
>> >> >>>> pertaining to development, coordination  (remember the PM 
>> >> >>>> post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country.
>> >> >>>> ?  Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities 
>> >> >>>> for investments in ICT technology ?  Facilitate and manage 
>> >> >>>> ICT industrial incubation parks and
>> >> technology
>> >> >>>> parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and
land.
>> >> >>>> ?  Partner with agents within and without the country to 
>> >> >>>> carry out
>> >> such
>> >> >>>> functions as it may consider necessary.
>> >> >>>> ?  To transform and empower society through deployment and 
>> >> >>>> use of
>> >> ICTs.
>> >> >>>> ?  Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT 
>> >> >>>> products
>> >> and
>> >> >>>> services.
>> >> >>>> Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes 
>> >> >>>> you
>> >> guessed
>> >> >>>> it I
>> >> >>>> still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi.
>> >> >>>> Regards
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
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