[kictanet] TEAMS and Open ended circuit
S.Murigi Muraya
murigi.muraya at gmail.com
Fri Oct 9 00:01:54 EAT 2009
Why has KDN been able to lower their Internet prices by 90%?
Is it that they do not have 25 year contracts with the satellite
companies that are holding us hostage?
Walubengo J wrote:
> Robert,
>
> I am glad you liked the predictions I made last year about internet
> service costs. I am sure you might also like my suggested
> price-reduction mechanisms I am making this year
>
> @ http://www.strathmore.edu/pdf/ict09/affordable_ict.pdf
>
> Unfortunately nobody listens to Academicians in these parts of the
> world - no wonder most lecturers abandon classroom to become
> politicians...so that someone can listen to them ;-). What's more I
> get worried when I look at some of the approaches and strategies the
> regulator CCK has proposed as a way of containing Tariffs (including
> internet pricing?) from Operators (Licensees).
>
> But since I am not an Operator, I will leave it for the Operators to
> present their case...but they will be hard-pressed to explain whey
> they should not be considered biased...cant wait for that stakeholders
> meeting.
>
> As for the PS to apologise...he is of age to decide for himself. But
> he could learn from that Politician who had promised us a Constitution
> in 100days. He didnt deny it - he just clarified that the days were
> not consecutive days ;-). And so it is the same with the internet
> costs. Prices will indeed come down as promised. But obviously not
> tomorrow.
>
> regards.
>
> walu.
>
> --- On *Thu, 10/8/09, robert yawe /<robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] TEAMS and Open ended circuit
> To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 12:27 PM
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I finally got a chance to look through the presentation you sent
> me concerning the marine cable issue, which was comprehensive.
>
>
>
> My suggestion is that you call all the ISPs and give them this
> presentation so that they can stop, once and for all, passing the
> buck for failing the Nation and keeping us in the stone age of
> connectivity.
>
>
>
> From the presentation it is clear that the marine cable on its own
> was not the panacea for high internet charges and slow
> connectivity, we did not understand that the model for Internet
> access in the US cannot be applied in countries outside that
> continent as the bulk of the content is resident in the US .
>
>
>
> For a long time, over 12 years ago when I wrote an article for an
> IT magazine that was called Micro Computer Guide, I was called the
> village madman for advocating about the need to develop local
> content. I was incensed by the action by the then Karisa
> Communications (Makatiani & Ngeno) later AfricaOnline to shut down
> their bulleting board based service to provide us with the so
> called Internet connection yet we where on the right track as we
> created local content out of necessity.
>
>
>
> Today I believe I stand exonerated as ISP’s finally confirm that
> the marine cable is not going to bring down the cost of Internet
> access, you wonder why we have wasted the past 3 years singing its
> praises.
>
>
>
> I say PS Ndemo, in his personal capacity and on behalf of all the
> agencies under his ministry (ICT board, e-government, CCK &
> other), owes the country an apology for taking us on a wild goose
> chase. PS Ndemo the creation of local content falls smack in your
> docket and I have said this before all the government has to do is
> digitize all those reports in their possession beginning with the
> constitution, sessional papers, census, exam results, list of
> village polytechnics and the presidents diary then we can all move
> from their.
>
>
>
> Again thanks Walubengo.
>
> Robert Yawe
> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> Kenya
>
> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>
> --- On *Fri, 2/10/09, Walubengo J /<jwalu at yahoo.com>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] TEAMS and Open ended circuit
> To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Date: Friday, 2 October, 2009, 8:32 AM
>
> McTim, Kai,
>
> I can bet you have confused more than shedding light on this
> issue. But I cant blame you. It's not something one can
> explain in two or three emails. Typcially its a full-semester
> course issue... but here could be some highlights.
>
> http://www.strathmore.edu/pdf/ictc-08/internet-interconnection-model.pdf
>
> walu.
>
>
> --- On Fri, 10/2/09, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] TEAMS and Open ended circuit
> > To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 10:28 AM
> > Hi Robert,
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:48 AM, robert yawe
> <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > For a while I wondered why the TEAMS cable has not
> > gone hot yet it landed over 2 weeks ago, yesterday I got the
> > answer.
> > >
> > > The headline in the newpaper story indicated that
> > Jamii, a partner in the TEAMS project had finally connected
> > to Europe from Fujaira, which sounded a little strange.
> > Where did the fibre cable terminate to when it got to
> > Fujaira?
> > >
> >
> > SEA-ME-WE-3 and SEA-ME-WE-4 and FLAG all land in
> > Fujiarah. I assume
> > there is a central landing station, with links to EMIX at
> > that
> > physical location.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > What this statement would suggest is that the
> > termination in Fujaira does not actually connect into the
> > Internet backbone but is actually an "open end" from where
> > the providers must find a carrier, read IPOP, to get them
> > onto the Internet.
> > >
> >
> > That's what I got from the newspaper articles as well.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Maybe I do not understand this Internet connectivity
> > issue, but taking an analogy that if Kenya Power connect
> > electricity to my house (before which hopefully I had
> > already wired the inside of the house for lights, sockets
> > and cookers) the minute then the minute I flick a switch a
> > light will come on (subject to power rationing schedule and
> > having bought and installed an energy saving bulb).
> >
> > The analogy is flawed. The power company is a service
> > provider, the
> > submarine cables are not providing Internet connectivity as
> > such.
> >
> > Power flows down a power line to your house,that's what you
> > consume.
> >
> > light flows down glass (Layer 1 and 2). Internet
> > Packets (Layer 3 and
> > higher) are encoded in this light.
> >
> > >
> > > Can someone out there familiar with fibre optic cable
> > termination shade some light on this issue for my benefit
> > and also many others out there.
> >
> > TEAMS cable carries light waves. The investors in
> > TEAMS have the
> > right to this capacity. ISPs have to buy transit
> > (their Internet
> > access) from other providers(or peer with lots of other
> > players). As
> > an ISP on TEAMS, one has to either buy transit at some
> > location
> > (London, Amsterdam, New York, Hong Kong, wherever) and haul
> > it to
> > Fujairah, OR buy it in the UAE.
> >
> > Have no coffee in the house, so this might be confusing,
> > sorry.
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> >
> > McTim
> > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where
> > it is. A
> > route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
> >
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