[kictanet] TEAMS and Open ended circuit

Fri Oct 2 20:26:36 EAT 2009

To add to Robert ...

I agree we should have had free cross connect in the U.A.E. (actually when
we joined we thought it would be a one off).

This was an ambitious project and something got lost "in translation".

As for onward ... I think the way it is, allowing us to choose different
routes and redundancies is not a bad idea!

What I forgot to mention .. Whatever bandwidth is purchased through the
Submarine Systems carries a W/H tax ... 

Kai

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Thank you Kai, you have made it as clear as day.

Brian

On 10/2/09, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Thank you all for the insight into the fibre optic issues, but I wonder
why
> this was not made clear from the onset so that our expectations would have
> been more realistic.
>
> With this information we would definitely not have been expecting a drop
in
> the cost of internet connectivity but of bandwidth.
>
> So why didn't the partners negotiate for a complete circuit instead of
> leaving such a gaping hole in the link?
>
> Thanks a lot again, it is now clearer now.
>
> Have a responsible weekend.
>
> Robert Yawe
>
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> --- On Fri, 2/10/09, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] TEAMS and Open ended circuit
> To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Date: Friday, 2 October, 2009, 8:32 AM
>
> McTim, Kai,
>
> I can bet you have confused more than shedding light on this issue.  But I
> cant blame you.  It's not something one can explain in two or three
emails.
> Typcially its a full-semester course issue... but here could be some
> highlights.
>
> http://www.strathmore.edu/pdf/ictc-08/internet-interconnection-model.pdf
>
> walu.
>
>
> --- On Fri, 10/2/09, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] TEAMS and Open ended circuit
>> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 10:28 AM
>> Hi Robert,
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:48 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > For a while I wondered why the TEAMS cable has not
>> gone hot yet it landed over 2 weeks ago, yesterday I got the
>> answer.
>> >
>> > The headline in the newpaper story indicated that
>> Jamii, a partner in the TEAMS project had finally connected
>> to Europe from Fujaira, which sounded a little strange.
>> Where did  the fibre cable terminate to when it got to
>> Fujaira?
>> >
>>
>> SEA-ME-WE-3 and SEA-ME-WE-4 and FLAG all land in
>> Fujiarah.  I assume
>> there is a central landing station, with links to EMIX at
>> that
>> physical location.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > What this statement would suggest is that the
>> termination in Fujaira does not actually connect into the
>> Internet backbone but is actually an "open end" from where
>> the providers must find a carrier, read IPOP, to get them
>> onto the Internet.
>> >
>>
>> That's what I got from the newspaper articles as well.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Maybe I do not understand this Internet connectivity
>> issue, but taking an analogy that if Kenya Power connect
>> electricity to my house (before which hopefully I had
>> already wired the inside of the house for lights, sockets
>> and cookers) the minute then the minute I flick a switch a
>> light will come on (subject to power rationing schedule and
>> having bought and installed an energy saving bulb).
>>
>> The analogy is flawed.  The power company is a service
>> provider, the
>> submarine cables are not providing Internet connectivity as
>> such.
>>
>> Power flows down a power line to your house,that's what you
>> consume.
>>
>> light flows down glass (Layer 1 and 2).  Internet
>> Packets (Layer 3 and
>> higher) are encoded in this light.
>>
>> >
>> > Can someone out there familiar with fibre optic cable
>> termination shade some light on this issue for my benefit
>> and also many others out there.
>>
>> TEAMS cable carries light waves.  The investors in
>> TEAMS have the
>> right to this capacity.  ISPs have to buy transit
>> (their Internet
>> access) from other providers(or peer with lots of other
>> players).  As
>> an ISP on TEAMS, one has to either buy transit at some
>> location
>> (London, Amsterdam, New York, Hong Kong, wherever) and haul
>> it to
>> Fujairah, OR buy it in the UAE.
>>
>> Have no coffee in the house, so this might be confusing,
>> sorry.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> McTim
>> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where
>> it is. A
>> route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
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