[kictanet] ICDL Directive a slap in the face

Mon Nov 30 13:13:24 EAT 2009

How long will we continue sending out our Forex for pieces of paper?
Spot on Evans

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua at lpakenya.org> wrote:

> Yes there is Open ICDL that is open source. So my problem with this
> directive is not about platforms, but costs. ICDL is way out of reach for
> the widest majority of Kenyans. I also have a problem with Foreign
> certificates. As someone has said, cant our KIE develop a local certificate
> that can be used here? After all its just something for the local market.
>
> How was this reached at? What other options were considered and by whom? Is
> this another policy decision that does not involve the industry players?
> Given a chance, I would have opted for a more open certification like The
> INGOTS - http://theingots.org/, or better still one locally developed. How
> long will we continue sending out our Forex for pieces of paper?
>
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> Quoting robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>:
>
>  I am advised that the training has an open source component but what
>>  happens to all the resources that have been spent in developing all  the
>> alternative curriculum?
>>
>> This whole issue stinks as it stifles local initiatives, why would  anyone
>> want to develop any local curriculum in any field if it is  likely to end up
>> negated?
>>
>> What stops the "government" from doing the same with nursery (KHA),
>>  Primary, secondary and tertiary curriculum and just hand it over to  some
>> foreign body to develop curriculum and examine?  We have  trained many
>> curriculum developers over the years many sitting at  our institutions of
>> higher learning and KIE do we then sent them home?
>>
>> You will hear arguments that the world is becoming a global village  then
>> why don't we stop wasting our time electing leaders every five  years and
>> just outsource the leadership or franchise it from a  preferred developed
>> country, this is invited recolonization note it  begins with the mind then
>> the body.
>>
>> Seems I might be the only person who sees an issue here, well again
>>  ignorance is bliss.
>>
>> Like a jigger it all starts with a little mole.
>>
>> Robert Yawe
>>
>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
>>
>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
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>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>>
>> Kenya
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>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>>
>> --- On Thu, 26/11/09, Crystal Watley Kigoni  <crystal at voicesofafrica.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> From: Crystal Watley Kigoni <crystal at voicesofafrica.org>
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICDL Directive a slap in the face
>> To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
>> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> Date: Thursday, 26 November, 2009, 6:32
>>
>> Wesley is right on the issue of platform. But on the other hand,  Robert
>> has a point about the costs of testing. Does the government  have a plan to
>> reduce the cost of ICDL testing?
>>
>> Crystal
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 9:25 AM, wesley kirinya  <kiriinya2000 at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> This issue was discussed a while back and I believe Dr. Ndemo  confirmed
>> that it's not Microsoft only products that can be used in  ICDL. Check the
>> history of the list, I think it was 3-4 weeks ago.
>>
>> O_O
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Thu, 11/26/09, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
>> Subject: [kictanet] ICDL Directive a slap in the face
>> To: kiriinya2000 at yahoo.com
>>
>> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 8:01 AM
>>
>>
>>
>> It was with shock and disbelieve when I read an article in the  dailies
>> indicating that the government has decided to use the  Microsoft
>> certification ICDL (International Computer Driving  License) as the approved
>> application compliance qualification.
>>
>>
>> This is definitely a slap in the faces of all those associations and
>>  government agencies that have over the years developed generic  curriculum
>> for applications certification.  How does the government  frustrate all this
>> efforts for years just to wake up one morning and  literally cripple our
>> institutions because a "donor" as offered  "free" services.
>>
>>
>> It is a fact that in 90% of cases the first sniff of cocaine that an
>>  addict took was given to them for free, due to its highly addictive
>>  properties the dealer knows that it will only be a matter of time  before
>>  that free sampler becomes a hooked
>>  client.
>>
>> The Kenya National Examination Council (KNEC), University of  Nairobi,
>> Computer Society of Kenya and even Pitmans have tried and  tested curriculum
>> for computer applications competency training.   What makes this more
>> practical that the ICDL is that they are  generic and not product specific.
>>
>>
>> In addition they are cheaper to administer and examine all most of  them
>> require is just an upgrade so that exams can be administered  online further
>> reducing costs.  The cost of examinations for ICDL is  Ksh. 24,000/- at an
>> exchange rate of 78/- to the dollar, this is  equivalent to 1 year tuition
>> for a University degree program. Are we  really serious about encouraging
>> ICT education and effective  utilization?
>>
>>
>>
>> "When they came for my neighbour I said nothing, when they came for my
>> brother I said nothing and when they came for me there was no one to
>> say anything"
>>
>>
>>
>> We said nothing when Cisco moved in a set up so called Cisco  Academies
>> yet we all knew that this was wrong as Cisco teaches a  product specific
>> routing implementation based on their operating  system which denies the
>> graduand an open mind when it comes to  providing solutions.
>>
>>
>> Microsoft was stopped from providing software and their  certification
>> programs to schools in the same way that depo provera  was withdrawn from
>> public health facilities in the US & Europe yet  like a herd of sheep we
>> adopt all blindly.
>>
>>
>> Can we please stop this madness!
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> Robert Yawe
>>
>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
>>
>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
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>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
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>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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