[kictanet] Cable issues -Facility Sharing

Tue Nov 10 09:07:51 EAT 2009

Engineer Kariuki,

The ICT Policy in Section 5.10 envisages sharing and states as follows:

" 5.10 Facility Sharing
       The Government will *promote* sharing of natural sites,physical
infrastructure and co-location of ICT facilities by licensed operators."

Sorry for taking the discussion backwards maybe the word *promote *should be
replaced with *Compelled*, what do you think?, it might end this problem
Regards

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:03 AM, John Kariuki <
ngethe.kariuki2007 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi,
> Just to share some information on this subject.
> The ICT Policy in Section 5.10 envisages sharing and states as follows:
>
> " 5.10 Facility Sharing
>        The Government will promote sharing of natural sites,physical
> infrastructure and co-location of ICT facilities by licensed operators."
>
>
> Eng.J.N.Kariuki
> --- On *Mon, 9/11/09, Al Kags <alkags at alkags.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Al Kags <alkags at alkags.com>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues
> To: ngethe.kariuki2007 at yahoo.co.uk
> Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> Date: Monday, 9 November, 2009, 10:59
>
> As I recall, this is a discussion that has gone on for close to a decade
> now if not more. For years, the discussion about say, the mobile providers
> sharing infrastructure has been ongoing unfruitfully. Now we have advanced
> it to cable and we are still talking about it. I was wondering why KPLC
> would be trying to invest I their own cable with NOFBI and KDN so well
> covering parts of Kenya... Why not invest further in them by providing real
> estate (their poles) and finance so we can then get a KPLC cable-to-the-home
> product instead? Surely its more cost effective?
>
> On this, I do think CCK lead more prominently and they should be seen to
> lead on the matter...
>
> Today, the discussion is vandalism... Tomorrow looms the more compelling
> discussion about how we are addressing ourselves to climate change with all
> this duplication.
>
> We have been warned..
> -----Original Message-----
> From: godera at skyweb.co.ke
> Date: Mon,  9 Nov 2009 09:23:28
> To: <alkags at alkags.com>
> Cc: <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues
>
>
> Well said Evans. In my view, if all players were sharing the
> infrastructure, no
> one would be complaining of being sabotaged.
> They would all focus their energies if at all vandalism takes place on
> uniting
> to put an end to the vandalism, rather than the current scenario.
>
> Gilda Odera
> Quoting "Evans J. Nyagah" <ejnyagah at Telkom.co.ke>:
>
> > I can agree more with Noor,
> > In the recently concluded AITEC fiber summit conference at Laico, I
> > tried to advance this philosophy and was accused of advancing a big
> > brother concept.
> > Shared service will help utilize the economies of scale to reach many
> > with the infrastructure without replicating. It is indeed unfortunate
> > that you have several players each with parallel cables of underutilized
> > capacity. The investment could otherwise be extended to cover more areas
> > in a scalable manner.
> > When we players start talking to each other and sell and buy capacity to
> > each other? Does CCK has a role to play?
> >
> > Evans
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: kictanet-bounces+ejnyagah=telkom.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> > [mailto:kictanet-bounces+ejnyagah <kictanet-bounces%2Bejnyagah>=
> telkom.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
> > Behalf Of mahmoods21 at gmail.com
> > Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:14 PM
> > To: Evans J. Nyagah
> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> > Subject: [kictanet] Cable issues
> >
> >
> > Providers need to share infrastructure,it beats logic to see different
> > providers digging next to each other on same side of the road,this also
> > inconveniences road users regularly especilly in urban areas. A first
> > timer in a route should have extra conduits that can be used by
> > competitors  in future,once we share the suspicion of competition
> > sabotaging will reduce.
> > We also need to educate the public on the importance of the cable
> > network to our country,economy and make a connection to how a cable cut
> > impacts on their lives,ultimately the communities are the best
> > custodians in their areas,we should also encourage contractors to use
> > locals in each of the areas the cable is enroute and let them instill a
> > sense of ownership to this communities.
> > If government could perform well,local authorities and the state could
> > be building and owning fibre routes or just the conduits and lease to
> > all interested providers.
> > With the fibre cuts each day we are reducing the kenya s potential of
> > being the preffered gateway to landlocked countries like
> > Uganda,Rwanda,S.Sudan etc,hence reducing our dominance in the region and
> > in the process loosing economic/employment  opportunities,
> >
> > Concerned,frustrated
> >
> > Mahmoud Noor
> > Sent from my BlackBerry(r)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: kictanet-request at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> > Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:20:02
> > To: noor<mahmoods21 at gmail.com>
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> > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:14:08 +0300
> > From: "kai wulff" <kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke>
> > To: <jairah at kippra.or.ke>
> > Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues
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> > It would help if we could get our day in court. Vandalism is one thing,
> > negligence another. We as Operators spend huge amounts on staff we
> > attach to
> > contractors to make sure they don't destroy our cable plant .. If they
> > do,
> > we never get compensated. Taking them to court takes years and you might
> > only get awarded the cost of the cable plus the labor ..
> >
> > Frustrated
> >
> > Kai
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> > [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff <kictanet-bounces%2Bkai.wulff>=
> kdn.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] Im
> > Auftrag von jairah at kippra.or.ke
> > Gesendet: Friday, November 06, 2009 20:40
> > An: kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke
> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> > Betreff: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues
> >
> > Colleagues
> >
> > What I would suggest is to have a law to protect critical infrastructure
> > from vagabonds such as those that destroy cables and other
> > infrastructure
> > that we need to sustain the enabling environment for doing business. The
> > penalties this guys receive are a joke and the law needs to target the
> > entire value chain, at least on the Kenyan perhaps East African side.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Eric Aligula
> > Sent from my BlackBerry?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jevans Nyabiage <jnyabiage at nation.co.ke>
> > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:07:21
> > To: <jairah at kippra.or.ke>
> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Subject: [kictanet] Cable issues
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> > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:16:41 +0300
> > From: "kai wulff" <kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke>
> > To: "'Jevans Nyabiage'" <jnyabiage at nation.co.ke>
> > Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues
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> > Sabotage and Vandalism look very similar .. Unless we ask the people
> > doing
> > it we would not know the motives.
> >
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> >
> > The fault on Monday was caused by contractors of another operator who
> > was
> > not following procedures and who thought that by virtue of working for a
> > partly state owned company he will be allowed to do what he wants
> > (happens
> > very often, treatment of Operators is still not equal).
> >
> >
> >
> > Today was clearly a fault caused by someone who ON PURPOSE cut the
> > cable.
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> > Did the person want to steal a cable and stopped when seeing it was not
> > metal or was he there to sabotage the network - I would not know.
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> > Kai
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> > Von: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> > [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff <kictanet-bounces%2Bkai.wulff>=
> kdn.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] Im
> > Auftrag von Jevans Nyabiage
> > Gesendet: Friday, November 06, 2009 19:07
> > An: kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke
> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> > Betreff: [kictanet] Cable issues
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> > In the last few weeks there has been an outcry over increasing in
> > disruption
> > of networks with some of the affected firms pointing to industrial
> > sabotage.
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> > Safaricom was the first this week to claim "acts of sabotage" on the
> > disruption of its network. The Orange the next day arrested some cable
> > vandals and attributed it to suspected sabotage.
> >
> > This Friday (today) Seacom fibre cable went offline for about four
> > hours,
> > they said this was due to cuts on KDN fibre around Voi.
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> > Is this 'sabotage' real or imagined?
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