[kictanet] [Skunkworks] [ke-internetusers] Re: ICDL to be Gazetted: Is Open Office recognized?

Fri Nov 6 11:27:29 EAT 2009

Thanks Dr.Ndemo. The following concerns came to my mind:

I believe the government can use a variety of software (proprietary or not). Those software have the features in ICDL but they might be organized differently or the user needs to go through different steps to achieve same results. Therefore I think it might be very useful for anyone who has gone through the ICDL to have learnt atleast 2 of the same kind of the most popular software that the government uses e.g. for Word processing, MS Word and OpenOffice Writer.
One may argue that this may take longer time to teach ICDL but I don't believe that time is significantly long. Once a candidate has learnt the fundamentals of Word Processing through one software, it's now a matter of seeing how the same can be archieved in a different software.
I believe this has benefits for government and kenyans in general. Incase government migrates to different software e.g. OpenOffice Writer to MS Word, then the migration is smoother.

On the same subject, I think it's good to teach about interoperability of different softwares of the same kind. E.g. importing and exporting documents between different Word Processing softwares. If the government is having a hard time deciding which cars to drive I won't be surprised that some want to use MS Word while others OpenOffice Writer.

So my point is that I would suggest the candidates of the ICDL course be exposed to a variety of software.

--- On Fri, 11/6/09, bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:

From: bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] [Skunkworks] [ke-internetusers] Re: ICDL to be Gazetted: Is Open Office recognized?
To: kiriinya2000 at yahoo.com
Cc: "Zacs" <mwatha_zacs at yahoo.com>, "Skunkworks Forum" <skunkworks at lists.my.co.ke>, "ke-users" <ke-internetusers at bdix.net>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 10:01 AM

Attached please find the ICDL syllabus and please let me have your
comments as to whether it is proprietary or not.

Regards

Ndemo.

> Dr. Ndemo,
> Permit me to differ with you on this and  agree with Waudo's position,
> such
> a move would be defeatist, let the market decide what it wants with regard
> to the Computer Applications, the issue here is about the skills and the
> market should  determine that , Africa as a continent and we as a country
> are trying to catch up with the developed world and only "freedom" can can
> bring about innovation, i think  governmnet should focus on Infrastructure
> and the  global policy  environment. I would like to get the opinion of
> other policy makers on the same issue.
> Regards
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Gakuru Alex
> <alexgakuru.lists at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> If they report your Open Source clarification clearly, then we may
>> consider dropping our open source complaint to MCK.
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> a.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 7:11 AM,  <bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:
>> > I will be on KTN in 5 minutes to clarify this.  Please watch.
>> >
>> > Ndemo
>> > Sent from my BlackBerry®
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists at gmail.com>
>> > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:05:01
>> > To: Zacs<mwatha_zacs at yahoo.com>
>> > Cc: Skunkworks Forum<skunkworks at lists.my.co.ke>; ke-users<
>> ke-internetusers at bdix.net>
>> > Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Re: [Skunkworks] ICDL to be Gazetted:
>> Is
>> Open
>> >        Office recognized?
>> >
>> > I have reliable information to the effect that the PS mentioned both
>> > Open Source ICDL and Proprietary ICDL. Now looking for the actual KTN
>> > footage to confirm what was actually reported, upon whose
>> > confirmation, if found skewed reporting as true we shall lodge a
>> > formal, open complaint against the media house to the Media Council of
>> > Kenya for misinformation on such a sensitive national subject.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Alex
>> >
>> > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Zacs <mwatha_zacs at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> I seriously believe there is no way ICDL can be a proprietary
>> licence.
>> >>
>> >> ________________________________
>> >> From: Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists at gmail.com>
>> >> To: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks at lists.my.co.ke>; ke-users
>> >> <ke-internetusers at bdix.net>
>> >> Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 12:19:57 AM
>> >> Subject: [ke-internetusers] Re: [Skunkworks] ICDL to be Gazetted: Is
>> Open
>> >> Office recognized?
>> >>
>> >> If they only gazette ICDL and leave out OpenICDL
>> >> http://www.openicdl.org/ we shall go to court to have the Gazette
>> >> Notice annulled on the basis of its illegality hence illegitimacy.
>> >> Contemplating such an illegal move would leave sour scars  and in any
>> >> case we no longer have time for niceties play with Microsofties
>> >> family..
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Rad! <conradakunga at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> I sincerely hope this is not the case. It would be very unfortunate
>> if
>> >>> government forces citizens to take a certain route.
>> >>> From my small investigation ICDL seems to be a pretty widespread
>> standard
>> >>> that is supposed to be vendor neutral and not linked to any
>> particular
>> >>> software. See this link for some
>> >>> information. http://www.ecdl.com/programmes/index.jsp?p=102&n=108 as
>> well
>> >>> as
>> >>> this one http://www.ecdl.com/programmes/index.jsp?p=108&n=119.  I
>> hope
>> >>> this
>> >>> is what was in mind
>> >>>
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