[kictanet] [Fwd: Re: Day 5 of 10- BPO Discussions, HR Issues]

Walubengo J jwalu at yahoo.com
Tue Jun 9 11:32:15 EAT 2009 

Ikua,

Very true.  Security procedures for many organisations is often considered an extra cost burden to be avoided.  It actually requires compelling legislation to have it practiced and instituted - not just in BPO setups but accross other sectors as well.   I long for the day when organisations file their (financial) audited accounts TOGETHER with their Information Systems (IS) Audits.

walu.

--- On Tue, 6/9/09, Evans Ikua <ikua at lpakenya.org> wrote:

> From: Evans Ikua <ikua at lpakenya.org>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [Fwd: Re: Day 5 of 10- BPO Discussions, HR Issues]
> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 11:23 AM
> Listers,
> One area I see as a major challenge for our industry will
> be Security (Data Protection). For any oversees company to
> outsource their data processing to us, they will need to see
> data protection legislation in place. This will assure them
> that their data and information will not be vulnerable. I
> suggest that the PS should fast track the Data Protection
> Bill and also involve the industry in the process.
> 
> KEBS is in the process of adopting certain ISO standards on
> IT security but there is an urgent need for legislation in
> this area.
> 
> 
> --Evans Ikua
> Linux Professional Association of Kenya
> Tel: +254-20-2250381, Cell: +254-722 955 831
> Eagle House, 2nd Floor
> Kimathi Street, Opp. Corner House
> www.lpakenya.org
> 
> 
> Quoting godera at skyweb.co.ke:
> 
> > 
> > Dr.Ndemo,
> > 
> > This is very encouraging. We at the Kenya BPO and
> Contact Centre Society had
> > initiated a similar sensitisation program with the
> late Dr.Juma  Okech who had so
> > graciously agreed to facilitate the sensitisation
> engagements with various
> > government departments but as fate would have it,we
> lost our dear friend.
> > I can see the predicament on the argument on why other
> organisations  would also
> > not ask for tax breaks thus creating a major headache
> for government but I
> > believe there are other incentives for local BPOs that
> we can possibly work
> > out,especially in the area of skills development.
> > 
> > Gilda Odera
> > Quoting bitange at jambo.co.ke:
> > 
> >> Listers,
> >> I have consulted with my colleagues in those
> departments that are looking
> >> at outsourcing and they are willing to discuss
> with stakeholders to gain
> >> better understanding of the trade.  I will
> therefore arrange for this
> >> meeting towards the end of the month.
> >> 
> >> One thing that may be difficult for us is the Tax
> Break request for local
> >> BPO organizations.  If that is granted,
> Treasury will be hard put to
> >> explain why all other organizations should not get
> the tax break.  I
> >> understand tax break for export of service but
> locally sourced jobs, we
> >> may be asking for too much.
> >> 
> >> Ndemo.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> >
> >> > Excellent point!  I think we are making
> a huge mistake especially in light
> >> > of the post election violence focusing so
> heavily on the foreign investors
> >> > and the international BPO market.
> >> >
> >> > I have been following this discussion and as
> a local BPO operator focused
> >> > on the domestic market I can tell you we have
> a difficult time convincing
> >> > local companies to outsource and while all
> this talk is good frankly I
> >> > think we are missing the point.  If the
> point is development, then why
> >> > aren't we focusing on how to develop this
> industry as quickly and
> >> > effectively as possible?  In my view the
> low hanging fruit are the
> >> > domestic opportunities but we need a lot more
> work in the form of
> >> > government incentives to operators AND
> businesses to promote and support
> >> > the nascent outsourcing industry.  Yes,
> I read the post on the judiciary
> >> > plans to outsource the transcription but I
> think there is plenty more work
> >> > that can be outsourced and if the government
> wasn't so focused on the
> >> > foreign investor and looked at the government
> as a consumer of outsourced
> >> > services and the local private sector we may
> make more progress.  My hope
> >> > is that we can focus on creating the
> environment that makes it conducive
> >> > to manage and operate domestic BPOs which
> will be building capacity while
> >> > we manage and frankly repair our much
> tarnished image abroad.  Just like a
> >> > company needs to look at reinvesting retained
> earnings before it seeks
> >> > outside financing, we need to look at what we
> can do locally before we
> >> > start tapping the international market,
> especially given the heightened
> >> > risk factors that Kenya faces since 2007/8.
> >> >
> >> > This means:
> >> > 1.  Government departments, agencies
> outsourcing work to local companies
> >> > and looking at outsourcing not as a way to
> shed jobs but as a means to
> >> > better manage scare resources.
> >> > 2.  Tax breaks for local BPO operators
> and private companies contracting
> >> > outsourcing services locally to incentivize
> operator investment and
> >> > company adaption of services in this
> industry.  Tax breaks should be
> >> > immediate and not dependant on the entry or
> attraction of foreign
> >> > investors.  Those of us currently in
> operation are betting on Kenya.
> >> > Instead of waiting we are putting our money
> to work believing in the
> >> > future of this country...I don't think we are
> asking for too much when we
> >> > ask the government to support our
> development.
> >> > 3. Less focus on what we do not have and a
> greater focus on what we have.
> >> > Skills, entrepreneurs and an optimistic view
> of our country as well as a
> >> > domestic market and potential to tap into the
> larger regional market (EAC
> >> > & COMESA).
> >> >
> >> > Finally, I am of the contrarian view: we have
> the skill set, but because
> >> > we are not willing to start where we are we
> are asking students and
> >> > graduates to pay more money to get additional
> certification before we can
> >> > get foreign investors interested in our
> country...Frankly I think we place
> >> > too much stock in certificates and paper
> qualifications.  If we ask these
> >> > graduates to take another training class with
> the promise of better
> >> > opportunity they will...instead I suggest we
> recognize the current
> >> > intellectual capital that we have and those
> of us in the industry focus on
> >> > the job training and going back to the role
> that government can play,
> >> > obtain tax credits for this on the job
> training.  Lets us make sure these
> >> > graduates have work and build on that instead
> of creating additional
> >> > hurdles to employment.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Subject:   Re: [kictanet] Day
> 5 of 10- BPO Discussions, HR Issues
> >> > From:   "S.Murigi Muraya"
> <murigi.muraya at gmail.com>
> >> > Date:   Mon, June 8, 2009 5:17
> pm
> >> > To:   mkamuru at emanageafrica.com
> >> > Cc:   "KICTAnet ICT Policy
> Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >> > Priority:   Normal
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Let us also factor in on the job training
> to improve our skill sets.
> >> >> Software engineers become masters of
> their craft by doing projects and
> >> >> by exchanging (code and concepts) with
> their peers. A classroom setting
> >> >> possibly contributes to less than 10% of
> all their success.
> >> >>
> >> >> There have been a number of comments in
> these (BPO) discussions
> >> >> comparing us with India, South Africa and
> Mauritius.
> >> >>
> >> >> We cannot rely on the whims of those with
> negative (but often valid)
> >> >> perceptions towards us. We need to give
> ourselves a chance that is of
> >> >> our own creation.
> >> >>
> >> >> @ 40 Million (our 2010 population)
> growing at 2.5%
> >> >> (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ke.html
> >> >> and others estimate our population growth
> @ almost 2.7% per annum) we
> >> >> will add 1 Million Kenyans to our
> population next year. 2030 is sure to
> >> >> see us with a population of at least 60
> Million.
> >> >>
> >> >> With that in mind and given the fact
> political instability is the
> >> >> current (and unfortunately valid) excuse
> to avoid Kenya, we would be
> >> >> most ignorant NOT to focus most of our
> BPO efforts internally. This will
> >> >> build up LOCAL companies and on a
> REGIONAL basis. This will build up
> >> >> local talent who may otherwise be
> demoralized for not being Western
> >> >> enough to Foreign BPO companies.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> bitange at jambo.co.ke
> wrote:
> >> >>> Walubengo,
> >> >>> With respect to capacity building,
> the Government has done the
> >> >>> following
> >> >>> Established Multimedia University to
> focus on IT Skills Development;
> >> >>> Contracted the Central Bureau of
> Statistics through CCK to conduct ICT
> >> >>> Skills inventory in Kenya and Set up
> a task force to look into Skills
> >> >>> development as recommended by
> MaKinsey in the just concluded Value
> >> >>> Proposition.  We are in the
> process of appointing other stakeholders
> >> >>> into
> >> >>> the committee.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Although we do not have a sector
> strategy on Capacity building, the
> >> >>> Governemnt takes issues of skills
> development very seriously. This is a
> >> >>> matter that NESC emphasizes as key to
> our competitiveness.  In this
> >> >>> regard
> >> >>> we look forward to a quick
> finalization of the skills inventory and the
> >> >>> task force recommendation.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Regards
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Ndemo.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> -Day 5 of 10- BPO Discussions,
> Human Capacity Issues
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Morning all,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I trust you had a refreshing
> weekend.  Today I want to introduce the
> >> >>>> theme
> >> >>>> on Human Resource Development for
> the BPO industry.  The Researchers
> >> >>>> found
> >> >>>> that India, S.Africa and
> Mauritius had a comprehensive inventory of
> >> >>>> their
> >> >>>> skill-base that was also
> available for Validation by prospective
> >> >>>> employers
> >> >>>> and investors.  Another
> observation was ofcourse the sheer numbers of
> >> >>>> Indian graduates (millions) that
> made it the largest base of highly
> >> >>>> skilled pool of graduates with
> strong mathematical/scientific
> >> >>>> orientation.
> >> >>>>  Whereas, Mauritius was
> producing only 10,000 (university) graduates
> >> >>>> per
> >> >>>> year compared to Kenya's 30,000
> per year, Mauritius had the advantage
> >> >>>> of
> >> >>>> properly documenting their
> national graduates database and marketing
> >> >>>> it
> >> >>>> appropriately to potential
> clients in Europe/America.  In addition,
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>> Researchers noted that Mauritius
> had a government funded but
> >> >>>> Private-Sector oriented ICT
> Academy that produced graduates
> >> >>>> specificially
> >> >>>> for the ICT industry.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> In Kenya, the Researchers
> observed that apart from the lack of a
> >> >>>> national
> >> >>>> database on the available
> skills/graduates, some of the BPO operators
> >> >>>> were
> >> >>>> engaged in vicious poaching
> cycles where Agents trained in-house by
> >> >>>> one
> >> >>>> Operater are immediately hired by
> the Competing Operators. It was
> >> >>>> noted,
> >> >>>> that an attempt has been made by
> the .KE Government to create an
> >> >>>> Industry-specific University
> (Multimedia University College of Kenya)
> >> >>>> to
> >> >>>> address the HR gap but its
> success or otherwise will remain to be seen
> >> >>>> in
> >> >>>> a few years time.  The
> Researchers also noted that Kenya's
> >> >>>> English-speaking labor force had
> an edge over the Indian one given
> >> >>>> that
> >> >>>> the average Kenyan had a
> "neutral" accent unlike the Indian graduate
> >> >>>> who
> >> >>>> tended to have an "ethnic" accent
> that often distracted the
> >> >>>> Euro-American
> >> >>>>
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