[kictanet] Seacom goes live- wait for TEAMS

waudo siganga emailsignet at mailcan.com
Fri Jul 31 20:30:44 EAT 2009 

Hi Walu - I do not understand the difference in the treatment of shares
in SEACOM and TEAMS. All these cables sell the same commodity:
bandwidth. I can see the same corporates sitting on the boards of each
and every one of these cables to set the wholesale prices. How does
competition work in these circumstances? Anyway let us take the PSs word
and wait for October. He certainly has better information than us.

Waudo

On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 09:25 -0700, "Walubengo J" <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
> its going to be very interesting how this ict landscape evolves.  the
> tensions between private interests (read capitalism) visa-viz the public
> good (read govt mandate to protect) is going to be prominent  over the
> next couple of months.
> 
> my take is that Safaricom shares in SEACOM is private money and as such
> they have no apologies nor obligation to reduce prices for anyone. 
> However, their shares in the TEAMS project will be subject to public good
> and it will be very interesting how the dynamics of that part of the
> cable plays out over the next couple of months.
> 
> walu.
> 
> --- On Fri, 7/31/09, bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:
> 
> > From: bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom goes live?
> > To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 7:57 PM
> > Hatari,
> > I do not think there is course for concern yet.  There
> > are far too many
> > operators with significant access to Broadband capacity
> > that can shake up
> > prices downwards.  As such, there is absolutely no
> > reason to call for
> > price regulation.  My prediction is that by Oct./Nov.
> > you should see
> > significant reductions in both voice and data.
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > 
> > Ndemo.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > Waudo
> > >
> > > It was more saddening to hear it from Michael Joseph.
> > I wonder what PS
> > > Ndemo will say on this. We are not calling for price
> > regulation. We are
> > > calling for transfer of benefits to users.
> > >
> > > We beg if thats what we must do to be heard
> > >
> > > OH
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: emailsignet at mailcan.com
> > >> Sent: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:26:05 +0300
> > >> To: onyango at inbox.com
> > >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom goes live?
> > >>
> > >> I agree with Hatari. After all the hullabaloo
> > preeding this fibre
> > >> landings it is deflating to start hearing stories
> > that the benefits to
> > >> consumers will be minimised as investments are
> > recouped (after the
> > >> investments are re-couped will the services be
> > free?).
> > >>
> > >> And Brian, Government licenses the corporates to
> > serve Wananchi. Both
> > >> these players must show accountability to
> > Wananchi.
> > >>
> > >> Well done Hatari.
> > >>
> > >> Waudo
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 03:41 -0800, "Onyango Hatari"
> > <onyango at inbox.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>> Brian
> > >>>
> > >>> Is there anywhere I mentione "everything"? Can
> > you address me on issues
> > >>> I
> > >>> raised and we should not start engaging in
> > flame mail and sideshows.
> > >>> Address my issues.
> > >>>
> > >>> OH
> > >>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: blongwe at gmail.com
> > >>>> Sent: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:24:27 +0300
> > >>>> To: onyango at inbox.com
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom goes live?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> hmm, so government and large corporates
> > are to blame for everything...
> > >>>> isn't that an overly simple approach
> > towards addressing solutions to
> > >>>> aid our development?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Onyango
> > Hatari<onyango at inbox.com>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Guys
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Its disgusting listening and watching
> > Michael Joseph claim how the
> > >>>>> investors
> > >>>>> must re-coup their investment. How
> > much must they continue to exploit
> > >>>>> their
> > >>>>> clients to "re-coup their
> > investments"? The price of brea was 100 and
> > >>>>> now
> > >>>>> has gone to 10 and the retailer is
> > still charging 100 just to
> > >>>>> "re-coup
> > >>>>> their
> > >>>>> investment"?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Is this the same MJ who said that the
> > cost of doing business in Kenya
> > >>>>> is
> > >>>>> expensive. Thats an investor must
> > invest in a 4WD, security and such?
> > >>>>> Then I
> > >>>>> wondered why we must have investors
> > who cant even afford a 4WD?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> We would rather have the kadogo
> > economy than big ones who continue to
> > >>>>> exploit Kenyans even when they hinted
> > how much costs will go down.
> > >>>>> The
> > >>>>> big
> > >>>>> mistake is that now PS Ndemo who is
> > representing the government is
> > >>>>> quiet.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Michael, please can we see the
> > transfer of savings to the common man.
> > >>>>> Thats
> > >>>>> when Kenyans will appreciate you. We
> > must not see atleas the cost of
> > >>>>> 300
> > >>>>> MB
> > >>>>> coming from 1,000 to Ksh 500. That way
> > you will still be making big
> > >>>>> profits
> > >>>>> but we will understand you.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> We need a government which cares for
> > its citizens
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> OH
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: warigia at gmail.com
> > >>>>> Sent: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:19:19 +0300
> > >>>>> To: onyango at inbox.com
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom goes
> > live?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Dear Brian and Michael
> > >>>>> So, what is the best way for the
> > common mwananchi to take advantage
> > >>>>> of
> > >>>>> these
> > >>>>> higher speeds? Will we experience them
> > if we have the small dial up
> > >>>>> through
> > >>>>> safaricom or do we need new
> > equipment.
> > >>>>> Sincerely, Warigia
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:07 PM,
> > Brian Munyao Longwe
> > >>>>> <blongwe at gmail.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> As usual Michael, you are right! I did
> > a traceroute  (connected on
> > >>>>> Onecom/Safaricom)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> As you can see it hops into London and
> > gets onto AS6453 in London
> > >>>>> which belongs to Tata.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Brian
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> BryoNet:~ macbook$ traceroute
> > www.yahoo.com
> > >>>>> traceroute to www.wa1.b.yahoo.com
> > (69.147.76.15), 64 hops max, 40
> > >>>>> byte
> > >>>>> packets
> > >>>>>  1  192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1)
> >  1.302 ms  0.689 ms  0.677 ms
> > >>>>>  2  41-203-221-209.onecom.co.ke
> > (41.203.221.209)  15.363 ms
> > >>>>>  4.641 ms
> > >>>>> 4.172
> > >>>>> ms
> > >>>>>  3  41-203-216-12.onecom.co.ke
> > (41.203.216.12)  20.489 ms  6.503
> > >>>>> ms
> > >>>>> 3.367
> > >>>>> ms
> > >>>>>  4  41-203-220-17.onecom.co.ke
> > (41.203.220.17)  5.089 ms  16.715
> > >>>>> ms
> > >>>>> 5.910
> > >>>>> ms
> > >>>>>  5  41-203-220-2.onecom.co.ke
> > (41.203.220.2)  5.636 ms  4.041 ms
> > >>>>> 4.873
> > >>>>> ms
> > >>>>>  6  196.201.222.17
> > (196.201.222.17)  12.243 ms  4.722 ms  4.986
> > >>>>> ms
> > >>>>>  7
> >  if-12-1-3.mcore3.ldn-london.as6453.net
> > (195.219.195.189)
> > >>>>>  238.321
> > >>>>> ms  183.554 ms  187.807 ms
> > >>>>>  8
> >  if-5-0-0-903.core3.aeq-ashburn.as6453.net
> > (195.219.195.154)
> > >>>>> 272.541 ms  274.972 ms  279.118
> > ms
> > >>>>>  9
> >  ix-3-0-9.core3.aeq-ashburn.as6453.net (216.6.51.30)
> >  287.170
> > >>>>> ms
> > >>>>> 281.733 ms  277.584 ms
> > >>>>> 10  ae2-p140.msr1.re1.yahoo.com
> > (216.115.108.57)  272.322 ms
> > >>>>> ae1-p150.msr2.re1.yahoo.com
> > (216.115.108.21)  276.266 ms  269.433
> > >>>>> ms
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:02 PM,
> > Michael
> > >>>>> Joseph<MJoseph at safaricom.co.ke>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>> I think they are using Tata from
> > Mumbai but I may be wrong. Also
> > >>>>>> comprehensive tests are not
> > complete but nevertheless it gave us an
> > >>>>>> opportunity to experience much
> > faster speeds which can only get
> > >>>>>> better.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Michael
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> CEO
> > >>>>>> Safaricom Limited
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>> From: kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> > >>>>>>
> > [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke]
> > >>>>>> On
> > >>>>>> Behalf Of Maliti, Tom
> > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009
> > 11:46 AM
> > >>>>>> To: Michael Joseph
> > >>>>>> Cc: ke-users; KICTAnet ICT Policy
> > Discussions
> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom
> > goes live?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Asante sana Brian.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I also pinged while connected to a
> > 1Gbps SEACOM connection last week
> > >>>>>> in
> > >>>>>> Mombasa and got similar numbers to
> > what you got.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> The point is this: we have fiber
> > in Kenya but our service providers
> > >>>>>> are
> > >>>>>> not taking it up, even if it is
> > backup. There have been discussions
> > >>>>>> on
> > >>>>>> this
> > >>>>>> list and other fora about the
> > urgency of fiber for a slew of big and
> > >>>>>> small
> > >>>>>> companies as well just you and I
> > to be able to stream video without
> > >>>>>> interruption or spend less time on
> > email (made possible by high
> > >>>>>> speed
> > >>>>>> connections). Somehow our service
> > providers, with the exception of
> > >>>>>> one,
> > >>>>>> do
> > >>>>>> not get that.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Unless of course there are others
> > who already have.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Tom Maliti
> > >>>>>> Correspondent
> > >>>>>> East Africa Bureau
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Direct line: +254 20 285 9109
> > >>>>>> Office line: +254 20 285 9000
> > >>>>>>              
> >     +254 734 555 252
> > >>>>>> Fax: +254 20 2724726
> > >>>>>> Mobile +254 733 641 984
> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>> From: Brian Munyao Longwe
> > [mailto:blongwe at gmail.com]
> > >>>>>> Sent: 29 July 2009 11:24
> > >>>>>> To: Maliti, Tom
> > >>>>>> Cc: ke-users; KICTAnet ICT Policy
> > Discussions
> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom
> > goes live?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi Tom,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> SEACOM indeed started providing
> > services last week, however the
> > >>>>>> service
> > >>>>>> being provided is not the
> > *complete* SEACOM project.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I understand that what they lit up
> > is the portion that connects
> > >>>>>> SAT-3
> > >>>>>> in
> > >>>>>> South Africa upto Mombasa -
> > therefore the international link is
> > >>>>>> going
> > >>>>>> via
> > >>>>>> SAT-3. The *complete* system as
> > per their technical drawings
> > >>>>>> connects
> > >>>>>> from
> > >>>>>> Mumbai, India into Djibouti and
> > thence across the EA seaboard. What
> > >>>>>> we
> > >>>>>> have
> > >>>>>> now is more of capacity on their
> > "backup"
> > >>>>>> system. A traceroute or 'ping'
> > across their present link reveals a
> > >>>>>> round-trip-time (RTT) of about
> > 140ms-240ms - this is due to the
> > >>>>>> congestion
> > >>>>>> on SAT-3. A real "end-to-end"
> > fiber system should yield RTT of
> > >>>>>> between
> > >>>>>> 7-30ms.... they, nevertheless
> > called it a "launch"
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Needless to say, this is much
> > better performance than the satellite
> > >>>>>> that
> > >>>>>> we are used to, thus the
> > excitement is definitely worth it's while -
> > >>>>>> but it
> > >>>>>> will be much more exciting once
> > the true end-to-end services of
> > >>>>>> either
> > >>>>>> SEACOM, TEAMS or others lights
> > up.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Brian
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:58 AM,
> > Maliti, Tom<tmaliti at ap.org>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>>>> Dear Walu,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> It is almost a week since
> > SEACOM went live and there does not seem
> > >>>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>> be that much excitement or
> > response despite the many discussions
> > >>>>>>> that
> > >>>>>>> have been dedicated to
> > broadband on this list.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Your question at the end of
> > your email is still valid. Or is it
> > >>>>>>> possible our varied service
> > providers were not prepared,
> > >>>>>>> irrespective
> > >>>>>>> of what they say in public? It
> > seems, however, one service provider
> > >>>>>>> was ready: Safaricom. Their
> > service has been on fiber since
> > >>>>>>> Saturday
> > >>>>>>> and anyone who is on their
> > data services has been enjoying the high
> > >>>>>>> speeds that have been talked
> > about for years.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Does anyone know of any
> > others?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Tom Maliti
> > >>>>>>> Correspondent
> > >>>>>>> East Africa Bureau
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Direct line: +254 20 285 9109
> > >>>>>>> Office line: +254 20 285 9000
> > >>>>>>>
> >                   
> > +254 734 555 252
> > >>>>>>> Fax: +254 20 2724726
> > >>>>>>> Mobile +254 733 641 984
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > ________________________________
> > >>>>>>> From:
> > kictanet-bounces+tmaliti=ap.org at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> > >>>>>>>
> > [mailto:kictanet-bounces+tmaliti=ap.org at lists.kictanet.or.ke]
> > On
> > >>>>>>> Behalf Of Walubengo J
> > >>>>>>> Sent: 23 July 2009 17:18
> > >>>>>>> To: Maliti, Tom
> > >>>>>>> Cc: skunk; ke-users; KICTAnet
> > ICT Policy Discussions
> > >>>>>>> Subject: [kictanet] Seacom
> > goes live?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> http://twitter.com/SeacomLive/
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Jst reading from Twitter that
> > Seacom has gone live. Not sure if its
> > >>>>>>> only in .TZ though.  Any
> > impact in .KE?  Ama we are still waiting
> > >>>>>>> for
> > >>>>>>> our very own TEAMS?
> > >>>>>>>
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