[kictanet] The long fibre ... Foundation for National transformation Agenda
Lucy Kimani
lkimani at yahoo.com
Mon Aug 17 15:44:57 EAT 2009
Gentlemen,
While you all have valid points, and dear Alex is inpatiently awaiting the fall of internet prices, it would do us good to take a step back and remember why TEAMS, because then you would realize that this is beyond any one party! The MOIT are the implementing agency, and you better believe that they will have to ensure that the prices fall given that Vision 2030 has ICT as one of the foundations for national transformation, and an economic pillar that is expected to help Kenya grow and maintain its GDP, as well as create some 75,000 jobs. I dont know about the private sector and SEACOM but I am willing to bet that TEAMS where the government has a say will take a lead in ensuring that internet prices do indeed fall. Kenya's not so secret goal is to give India a run for their money in the Call Center/BPO business, and I presume the same goes for South Africa. So with this in mind do you see the government not doing everything in their power to
ensure that the prices do indeed fall to the extent that they can realize their dream? I definatley hope so, I am willing to bet that one Dr Ndemo is keeping his eye on the prize!
So patience gentlemen, too much riding on the internet prices dropping for the government not to ensure that this does indeed become a reality.
LK
--- On Mon, 8/17/09, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] [Skunkworks] the long fibre lie...Regulatory Action limited.
To: lkimani at yahoo.com
Cc: "KICTAnet KICTAnet" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 6:10 AM
MO, Alex,
Ease up abit. Dont imagine I dont want affordable internet prices. Infact if you had time and googled my online contributions over the last 5years, you will realize I have been raising the red-flag about fiber vis a viz pricing. The other day I reloaded my Safcom modem with 1,000/= (300MB service). It all disappeared within 5days! Previously before SEACOM it would take longer (3weeks) to disappear because of the slower speeds. Better speeds encourage faster and broader browsing but it hurts (financially) and its not funny.
I think our differences lie in the approach to having reduced prices. I chose the academic route because thats my background. Feel free to pursue your routes to reduced prices - but plse be cautious because the solution is NOT domiciled in ONE stakeholder. Its not with the Regulator, nor the techies, nor the activists, nor the Consumers, nor the Govt, nor the Media, etc.. Instead I believe it is with ALL of the above. And it will be unfortunate to alienate any of them while pursuing reduced prices.
walu.
nb1: and thats why I had copied to what Alex calls my "home-tuff" (just ropping in other stakeholders).
nb2: I also note and do appreciated your legal counterarguments but decline to respond as at now since I will cover that and other issues during the upcoming ICT conference at SU (I think will be free to sambaza the paper thereafter for those interested).
--- On Mon, 8/17/09, mike oketch <mikeoketch at gmail.com> wrote:
> From: mike oketch <mikeoketch at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] the long fibre lie...Regulatory Action limited.
> To: "Skunkworks forum" <skunkworks at lists.my.co.ke>
> Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 10:13 AM
> Again
> Safaricom CEO who is also heads the board of
> TEAMS says that TEAMS benefits could not be realised because
> onward connection with Europe has not been fully discussed.
> How can you initiate a flight from Kenya to Nigeria without
> getting the landing rights in Nigeria and flight clearance
> for CAR, DRC, Sudan and all the countries you are going to
> overfly?
>
> Cheap Cheap Cheap and we wont be duped. I have
> seen people in this list who support the crooked CEOs just
> because they need favors for contracts and interviews for
> their educations research papers. Hypocrites they are.
>
> Lets be realistic
> MO
>
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:10 AM,
> mike oketch <mikeoketch at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Walubengo
> Yours are just too simplistic than the
> Alex's you are saying that are simplistic. The fact that
> kenya could not regulate Oil prices doesnt mean that
> Tanzania couldnt. The fact that SAT 3 operators couldnt be
> regulated cannont mean that the operators here cannot be
> regulated.
>
>
> Stop all these fake comparisons. Prices must
> come down and we will face them at every conference and
> every Barcamp and will tell these unpatriotic who have
> pocketed our PS off. Your arguments just dont wash.
>
>
> MO
>
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:40 AM,
> Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Alex,
>
>
>
> Your have rightly qaulified your solution - as simple.
> Indeed it is. Infact too simplistic to fly. The idea
> that the Regulator can reign in Operators who charge
> "high" internet rates cannot and will not work.
> Think about the in-famous SAT3 fiber link on the west
> coast of africa. Ask yourself why the Regulators in
> Nigeria, Ghana, Cameroon, Angola, S-Africa etc have never
> stepped in and revoked licensces of operators over the
> last 15yrs of high internet costs offered on the fiber...
>
>
>
>
>
> The answers are very complex...I will actually be
> discussing these limitations and available interventions in
> some upcoming ICT conference at Strath University in Sept 09
> and I dont want to pre-empt ;-)....
>
>
>
> walu.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 8/14/09, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > From: Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists at gmail.com>
>
> > Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Fwd: the long fibre lie...
> Ndemo should resign if internet prices do not drop as he
> promised!!
>
> > To: "Skunkworks forum" <skunkworks at lists.my.co.ke>
>
> > Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 8:44 PM
>
> > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:38 PM,
>
> > David Kiania | Asentric Consulting
>
> > Ltd<kianiadee at gmail.com>
>
> > wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > Set the precedence what's your solution? Am
> sure if
>
> > you did we'd have
>
> > > heard it by now. This thread is a knee jerk
> reaction
>
> > to a bad internet
>
> > > day, we all have one.
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > Simple, the entity under Ndemo's docket that
> grants these
>
> > cowboy
>
> > operators licenses puts it's foot down and warn
> that I may
>
> > revoke
>
> > licenses for operators that charge waaaay up in the
> sky not
>
> > just above
>
> > cost but ABOVE acceptable international pricing
> benchmarks.
>
> > They've
>
> > all the data they need. Imagine, for example,
> Safaricom on
>
> > the verge
>
> > of losing their license, price drops, drops, drops,
> drops,
>
> > drops, and
>
> > drops..... across board.
>
> >
>
> > Would this be acceptable to you?
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