[kictanet] Seacom goes live- wait for TEAMS
Catherine Adeya
elizaslider at yahoo.com
Tue Aug 4 22:49:32 EAT 2009
Thanks but Tom, so is what I sent factually correct?
Nyaki
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From: "Maliti, Tom" <tmaliti at ap.org>
To: elizaslider at yahoo.com
Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 2:18:04 PM
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom goes live- wait for TEAMS
Hi,
For more sources on shareholding below are the links to
the Seacom and Eassy web sites where there is a breakdown of who owns what.
Teams are yet to develop their web site.
Eassy:
http://www.eassy.org/
http://www.wiocc.net/
Seacom:
http://www.seacom.mu
Have a good
day,
Tom Maliti
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East Africa Bureau
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From: kictanet-bounces+tmaliti=ap.org at lists.kictanet.or.ke
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+tmaliti=ap.org at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Sam Gatere
Sent: 03 August 2009 21:18
To: Maliti,
Tom
Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
Subject: Re:
[kictanet] Seacom goes live- wait for TEAMS
Walu,
The Ownership table below looks fairly accurate in
comparison to data available online on Wikipedia (Follow url :: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TEAMS_(cable_system)
however Wikipedia may not be an authority in terms of source of the
information.
S.
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Catherine Adeya <elizaslider at yahoo.com> wrote:
I agree that this information is publicly available and I can share what
> I found based on some research I am currently involved in. If I am wrong,
> kindly update as it will also help with our research. As you can see I have
> already deleted a few from TEAMS. Thanks Nyaki:
>
>
>TEAMS
> Shareholders
>Kenya government
> (20%) France Telecom
> (10%) Access Kenya (1.25
> %)
>Safaricom
> (22.5%) Kenya Data Networks
> (10%) Inhand Equip Ltd (1.25
> %)
>Econet Wireless Kenya
> ltd (10%) Wananchi Telecom
> (5%)
> Flashcom (1.25
> %)
>Telkom Kenya (22.5
> %)
> Jamii Telecom
>
> (3.75%)
> Fibrent Africa of Uganda. (1.25
> %)
>
> Seacom
> shareholders
>Industrial Promotion Services– an
> arm of the Aga Khan Fund for Economic Development (25%) Convergence Partners (12.5%)
>
>
>Venfin Limited (25
> %) Shanduka Group
> (12.5%).
>International
> Herakles Telecom with (25%)
>
>
>
>
>EASSy
> Shareholders
>Sudan: Sudatel
> Tanzania: Tanzania
> Telecommunications Company Limited
>Djibouti: Djibouti Telecom
> Madagascar: Telma
>
>Somalia: Dalkom Mozambique: Telecommunication de
> Mozambique
>Kenya: Telkom Kenya
> Pan-African telecom trade
> association: ATU
>South Africa: Telkom SA, Neotel,
> MTN Group
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
>
>From: Michael
> Joseph <MJoseph at Safaricom.co.ke>
>To: elizaslider at yahoo.com
>
>Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2009 8:00:48 PM
>
>
>Subject: Re:
> [kictanet] Seacom goes live- wait for TEAMS
>
>
>I think the allegations and language used on this list really
> discourage real informative comment.
>
>For information the shareholders
> of the Teams cable, who are most of the telecom operators in Kenya, will own
> and manage the cable and will sell their capacity both wholesale and retail as
> they see fit. The GOK owns 20%.
>
>The Seacom cable is owned by a separate
> set of shareholders and this info is publically available.
>
>The Eassy
> cable will be owned by another group of shareholders including a number of
> African telecom operators. This info is also publically available.
>
>Not
> one shareholder will want to price themselves out of the market and, as
> another commentator mentioned earlier, the first to market with competitive
> prices will gain the most.
>
>I broke my silence on this subject a few
> days ago and I regret it now as mostly the comments have been somewhat
> impolite, to put it mildly. I will refrain in
> future.
>Regards
>
>Michael Joseph
>CEO
>Safaricom
> Limited
>
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>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From:
> kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke <kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>To: Michael Joseph
>Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>Sent: Sat Aug 01
> 19:16:51 2009
>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom goes live- wait for
> TEAMS
>
>Competition?
>
>3 cables does NOT =
> competition.
>
>As Waudo mentioned elsewhere in his posts, the big
> boys and girls sitting on TEAMs board are the same ones on SEACOM, EASSy and
> most likely anything else likely to land in Mombasa in the near
> future.
>
>Basically you are looking at a conducive\cartel environment for
> fixing prices - think of our oil industry. Yes you have competition in the
> name of Agip, Total, Caltex, etc but has that brought down prices for
> gas?
>
>Probably am being paranoid but I am waiting for the case study
> where public good won over private profits...maybe it will happen in another 4
> months as the PS said. And when it happens it should should not be
> the misleading by 1-5% price drops. Ideally for the
> TEAMs
>(tax-payers) cable you should be asking for the less than 100USD per
> MB prices that have been floated around over the recent years. And that should
> be per month rates NOT the punitive per byte of download
> rates.
>
>walu.
>
>--- On Sat, 8/1/09, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From:
> Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re:
> [kictanet] Seacom goes live- wait for TEAMS
>> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>> Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> Date: Saturday, August
> 1, 2009, 12:54 PM
>> Competition!! Yes indeed is consumers
>> best
> friend.
>>
>> In fact, instead of staying out all night pinging,
> pinging,
>> and
>> pinging.. and nothing much changes...then burning
> ourselves
>> out
>> arguing on Seacom pricing, we should now
> strategise how to
>> fuel more
>> competition, confront next
> connectivity frontier-rural.
>>
>> Skunkworks are pleased to inform
> you that PS Ndemo will be
>> talking to
>> us about the one million
> laptops stimulus, technology
>> innovation and
>> entrepreneurship-
> On Tuesday next week (4th August).
>>
>> I intend to ask him "what
> would be the government's plans
>> regards
>> hooking Kenya up
> with http://www.o3bnetworks.com/?"
>>
>> See the
> attached image.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 3:41 AM, Joseph Mucheru<mucheru at google.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
> Walu,
>> >
>> > I personally think it is a bit simpler than
> that. Over
>> the many years we
>> > have lobbied for better
> services and/or prices in the
>> country, the one sure
>> > thing
> that always worked was competition. In the case
>> of the cables, I
> think
>> > the competitive pressures are much more for the
>>
> operators as the investment
>> > (stakes) are much higher. By various
> calculations both
>> Seacom and Teams have
>> > more than three
> times the current bandwidth demand.
>> That means the wiser
>> >
> operators will not only be the ones that are first to
>> market, but
> those that
>> > give the right price to attract the economies of
> scale
>> they need to ever get
>> > back their investment. Any
> operator that delays this
>> process will only have
>> > much
> more future cost to convincing consumers to get
>> onto their
> network.
>> >
>> > I am convinced right now it is a consumers
> market and
>> what will be
>> > interesting is which operators
> are able to see things
>> from a long-term
>> > perspective and
> win the market. The fact that some
>> operators have a much
>> >
> broader and wider local loop infrastructure only makes
>> this more
> interesting
>> > and does not give outright victory to one.
>>
> >
>> > In summary, investment in the cables is a sunk cost
>>
> and the game now is who
>> > can get the user numbers on their
> network. Any
>> short-term gains by an
>> > operator through
> higer prices will cost them
>> significantly more in the
>> >
> long-run.
>> >
>> > my 2cts worth
>> >
>> >
> Joe Mucheru
>> >
>> > On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:14 AM,
> Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>>
> >> Waudo,
>> >>
>> >> Difference -at least on
> paper- is that TEAMS was
>> put up with Tax payers
>>
> >> money by close to 40% (i think). Â So you and me
>
>
>> have a 40% say or demand
>> >> that they
> sell the bandwidth commodity at cost.
>> Â But you and me (tax
> payers)
>
>
>> >> have 0% (zero%) shares in SEACOM.
>>
> >>
>> >> SEACOM was put up with 100% private money -
> only
>> the individual
>> >> shareholders can decide on
> pricing (remember the
>> famous SAT3 cable on the
>> >>
> west-african cost that had little impact on
>> pricing? the
> individual
>> >> shareholders decided to keep the prices just
> 1-5%
>> below satellite in order
>> >> to recoup investment
> with the shortest timeframes.
>> Â 15 years later, the
>
>
>> >> prcing was still the same at 1-5% satellite
> costs.
>> Â That is called Business-
>
>
>> >> increasing shareholders value and yes
> nobody
>> should apologies for that)
>> >>
>> >> In
> short, SEACOM can go the SAT3 way and you and
>> CCK can shout as much
> as
>> >> they want and they have every right not to
> care.
>> Â BUT with TEAMS you and i
>
>
>> >> do have a say - however small it is or it
> maybe.
>> >>
>> >> And its pretty grey area how say like
> Safcom with
>> shares on both cables
>> >> can be compelled to
> reduce prices because if push
>> comes to shove Safcom can
>>
> >> say their data is strictly running on the
>> (private) SEACOM
> cable which is
>> >> exempt from all the regulatory pressures. It
> can
>> chose to say TEAMS is
>> >> simply it back-up
> route.
>> >>
>> >> Thats why I think we are breaking new
> ground here
>> and its going to be very
>> >>
> interesting...
>> >>
>> >> walu.
>>
> >>
>>
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