[kictanet] Seacom goes live- wait for TEAMS

Catherine Adeya elizaslider at yahoo.com
Tue Aug 4 22:49:32 EAT 2009


Thanks but Tom, so is what I sent factually correct?

Nyaki




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From: "Maliti, Tom" <tmaliti at ap.org>
To: elizaslider at yahoo.com
Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 2:18:04 PM
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom goes live- wait for TEAMS


Hi,
 
For more sources on shareholding below are the links to 
the Seacom and Eassy web sites where there is a breakdown of who owns what. 
Teams are yet  to develop their web site.
 
Eassy:
http://www.eassy.org/
 
http://www.wiocc.net/
 
 
Seacom:
http://www.seacom.mu
 
Have a good 
day,
Tom Maliti
Correspondent
East Africa Bureau

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 From: kictanet-bounces+tmaliti=ap.org at lists.kictanet.or.ke 
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+tmaliti=ap.org at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Sam Gatere
Sent: 03 August 2009 21:18
To: Maliti, 
Tom
Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
Subject: Re: 
[kictanet] Seacom goes live- wait for TEAMS

Walu,

The Ownership table below looks fairly accurate in 
comparison to data available online on Wikipedia (Follow url :: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TEAMS_(cable_system) 
however Wikipedia may not be an authority in terms of source of the 
information.


S.



On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Catherine Adeya <elizaslider at yahoo.com> wrote:

I agree that this information is publicly available and I can share what 
>  I found based on some research I am currently involved in. If I am wrong, 
>  kindly update as it will also help with our research. As you can see I have 
>  already deleted a few from TEAMS. Thanks Nyaki:
>
>
>TEAMS 
>  Shareholders
>Kenya government 
>        (20%) France Telecom 
>        (10%) Access Kenya (1.25 
> %) 
>Safaricom 
>        (22.5%) Kenya Data Networks 
>        (10%) Inhand Equip Ltd (1.25 
> %) 
>Econet Wireless Kenya 
>        ltd (10%) Wananchi Telecom 
>        (5%)
>  Flashcom (1.25 
> %) 
>Telkom Kenya (22.5 
>        %)
>  Jamii Telecom 
>           
> (3.75%) 
>  Fibrent Africa of Uganda. (1.25 
> %) 
> 
> Seacom 
>  shareholders
>Industrial Promotion Services– an 
>        arm of the Aga Khan Fund for Economic Development (25%) Convergence Partners (12.5%) 
> 
>  
>Venfin Limited (25 
>      %) Shanduka Group 
>      (12.5%). 
>International 
>        Herakles Telecom with (25%)   
> 
> 
>
>
>EASSy 
>  Shareholders
>Sudan: Sudatel 
>  Tanzania: Tanzania 
>        Telecommunications Company Limited  
>Djibouti: Djibouti Telecom 
>  Madagascar: Telma 
>  
>Somalia: Dalkom  Mozambique: Telecommunication de 
>        Mozambique  
>Kenya: Telkom Kenya 
> Pan-African telecom trade 
>        association: ATU 
>South Africa: Telkom SA, Neotel, 
>        MTN Group   
>  
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>From: Michael 
>  Joseph <MJoseph at Safaricom.co.ke>
>To: elizaslider at yahoo.com 
>
>Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2009 8:00:48 PM
> 
>
>Subject: Re: 
>  [kictanet] Seacom goes live- wait for TEAMS
>
>
>I think the allegations and language used on this list really 
>  discourage real informative comment.
>
>For information the shareholders 
>  of the Teams cable, who are most of the telecom operators in Kenya, will own 
>  and manage the cable and will sell their capacity both wholesale and retail as 
>  they see fit. The GOK owns 20%.
>
>The Seacom cable is owned by a separate 
>  set of shareholders and this info is publically available.
>
>The Eassy 
>  cable will be owned by another group of shareholders including a number of 
>  African telecom operators. This info is also publically available.
>
>Not 
>  one shareholder will want to price themselves out of the market and, as 
>  another commentator mentioned earlier, the first to market with competitive 
>  prices will gain the most.
>
>I broke my silence on this subject a few 
>  days ago and I regret it now as mostly the comments have been somewhat 
>  impolite, to put it mildly. I will refrain in 
>  future.
>Regards
>
>Michael Joseph
>CEO
>Safaricom 
>  Limited
>
>BlackBerry® powered by Safaricom
> 
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: 
>  kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke <kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>To: Michael Joseph
>Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>Sent: Sat Aug 01 
>  19:16:51 2009
>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom goes live- wait for 
>  TEAMS
>
>Competition?
>
>3 cables does NOT = 
>  competition. 
>
>As Waudo mentioned elsewhere in his posts, the big 
>  boys and girls sitting on TEAMs board are the same ones on SEACOM, EASSy and 
>  most likely anything else likely to land in Mombasa in the near 
>  future.
>
>Basically you are looking at a conducive\cartel environment for 
>  fixing prices - think of our oil industry. Yes you have competition in the 
>  name of Agip, Total, Caltex, etc but has that brought down prices for 
>  gas?
>
>Probably am being paranoid but I am waiting for the case study 
>  where public good won over private profits...maybe it will happen in another 4 
>  months as the PS said.  And when it happens it should  should not be 
>  the misleading by 1-5% price drops.  Ideally for the 
>  TEAMs
>(tax-payers) cable you should be asking for the less than 100USD per 
>  MB prices that have been floated around over the recent years. And that should 
>  be per month rates NOT the punitive per byte of download 
>  rates.
>
>walu.
>
>--- On Sat, 8/1/09, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: 
>  Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: 
>  [kictanet] Seacom goes live- wait for TEAMS
>> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>> Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> Date: Saturday, August 
>  1, 2009, 12:54 PM
>> Competition!! Yes indeed is consumers
>> best 
>  friend.
>>
>> In fact, instead of staying out all night pinging, 
>  pinging,
>> and
>> pinging.. and nothing much changes...then burning 
>  ourselves
>> out
>> arguing on Seacom pricing, we should now 
>  strategise how to
>> fuel more
>> competition, confront next 
>  connectivity frontier-rural.
>>
>> Skunkworks are pleased to inform 
>  you that PS Ndemo will be
>> talking to
>> us about the one million 
>  laptops stimulus, technology
>> innovation and
>> entrepreneurship- 
>  On Tuesday next week (4th August).
>>
>> I intend to ask him "what 
>  would be the government's plans
>> regards
>> hooking Kenya up 
>  with http://www.o3bnetworks.com/?"
>>
>> See the 
>  attached image.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> 
>  On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 3:41 AM, Joseph Mucheru<mucheru at google.com>
>> wrote:
>> > 
>  Walu,
>> >
>> > I personally think it is a bit simpler than 
>  that. Over
>> the many years we
>> > have lobbied for better 
>  services and/or prices in the
>> country, the one sure
>> > thing 
>  that always worked was competition. In the case
>> of the cables, I 
>  think
>> > the competitive pressures are much more for the
>> 
>  operators as the investment
>> > (stakes) are much higher. By various 
>  calculations both
>> Seacom and Teams have
>> > more than three 
>  times the current bandwidth demand.
>> That means the wiser
>> > 
>  operators will not only be the ones that are first to
>> market, but 
>  those that
>> > give the right price to attract the economies of 
>  scale
>> they need to ever get
>> > back their investment. Any 
>  operator that delays this
>> process will only have
>> > much 
>  more future cost to convincing consumers to get
>> onto their 
>  network.
>> >
>> > I am convinced right now it is a consumers 
>  market and
>> what will be
>> > interesting is which operators 
>  are able to see things
>> from a long-term
>> > perspective and 
>  win the market. The fact that some
>> operators have a much
>> > 
>  broader and wider local loop infrastructure only makes
>> this more 
>  interesting
>> > and does not give outright victory to one.
>> 
>  >
>> > In summary, investment in the cables is a sunk cost
>> 
>  and the game now is who
>> > can get the user numbers on their 
>  network. Any
>> short-term gains by an
>> > operator through 
>  higer prices will cost them
>> significantly more in the
>> > 
>  long-run.
>> >
>> > my 2cts worth
>> >
>> > 
>  Joe Mucheru
>> >
>> > On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:14 AM, 
>  Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> 
>  >> Waudo,
>> >>
>> >> Difference -at least on 
>  paper- is that TEAMS was
>> put up with Tax payers
>> 
>  >> money by close to 40% (i think). Â So you and me
> 
>
>> have a 40% say or demand
>> >> that they 
>  sell the bandwidth commodity at cost.
>> Â But you and me (tax 
>  payers)
> 
>
>> >> have 0% (zero%) shares in SEACOM.
>> 
>  >>
>> >> SEACOM was put up with 100% private money - 
>  only
>> the individual
>> >> shareholders can decide on 
>  pricing (remember the
>> famous SAT3 cable on the
>> >> 
>  west-african cost that had little impact on
>> pricing? the 
>  individual
>> >> shareholders decided to keep the prices just 
>  1-5%
>> below satellite in order
>> >> to recoup investment 
>  with the shortest timeframes.
>> Â 15 years later, the
> 
>
>> >> prcing was still the same at 1-5% satellite 
>  costs.
>> Â That is called Business-
> 
>
>> >> increasing shareholders value and yes 
>  nobody
>> should apologies for that)
>> >>
>> >> In 
>  short, SEACOM can go the SAT3 way and you and
>> CCK can shout as much 
>  as
>> >> they want and they have every right not to 
>  care.
>> Â BUT with TEAMS you and i
> 
>
>> >> do have a say - however small it is or it 
>  maybe.
>> >>
>> >> And its pretty grey area how say like 
>  Safcom with
>> shares on both cables
>> >> can be compelled to 
>  reduce prices because if push
>> comes to shove Safcom can
>> 
>  >> say their data is strictly running on the
>> (private) SEACOM 
>  cable which is
>> >> exempt from all the regulatory pressures. It 
>  can
>> chose to say TEAMS is
>> >> simply it back-up 
>  route.
>> >>
>> >> Thats why I think we are breaking new 
>  ground here
>> and its going to be very
>> >> 
>  interesting...
>> >>
>> >> walu.
>> 
>  >>
>>
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