[kictanet] Review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification
waudo siganga
emailsignet at mailcan.com
Sat Sep 13 12:29:00 EAT 2008
Your idea may sound practical to you but why should anyone follow it?
Something which cannot be enforced cannot be what we are aimimg at.
Waudo
On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 05:01:45 -0400, "Liko Agosta" <likoa at verviant.com>
said:
> At the risk of getting shot ...
>
> Instead of all this laws, acts etc ....
>
> Why don’t you just create a system/website whereby all practitioners are
> listed and at the end of a project, the client can rate the practitioner,
> the practitioner can rate the client and we build publicity around such
> an initiative ... some features you can throw in include escrow services,
> dispute resolution …I may be wrong, but to me, all these acts are trying
> to bring quality (and maybe standards) into the sector ... but in many
> implementations, there is no way one client can know that a practitioner
> is a quack or does not have domain experience …
>
> Here is a good example … www.guru.com // every now and then, I get work
> techie work from Guru …… if you look at my guru page, you can decide easy
> whether to hire me or not … its makes life easy for me, I pay around 400$
> every year and have gotten work from there …If Kenya Airways could log
> onto a site and review previous feedback ... it would greatly reduce
> their risk ...
>
> I have attached a page from guru showing what my previous clients think
> about work I have done for them ... worst comments first.
>
> ........Previous work done is a much better indicator of capability than
> certifications, licenses, degrees
>
> I like Joel Spolskys work on certifications, degrees and licenses ...
> especially PhDs ...
> http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000073.html
>
> "People who are Smart but don't Get Things Done often have PhDs and work
> in big companies where nobody listens to them because they are completely
> impractical. They would rather mull over something academic about a
> problem rather than ship on time. These kind of people can be identified
> because they love to point out the theoretical similarity between two
> widely divergent concepts. For example, they will say "Spreadsheets are
> really just a special case of programming language" and then go off for a
> week and write a thrilling, brilliant white paper about the theoretical
> computational linguistic attributes of a spreadsheet as a programming
> language. Smart, but not useful."
>
> Ps: I quoted verbatim ... and now I brace myself :)
>
> Liko Agosta, CEO
> Verviant Consulting Services.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: kictanet-bounces+likoa=verviant.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+likoa=verviant.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
> Behalf Of John Walubengo
> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 3:34 AM
> To: Liko Agosta
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of
> the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification
>
> Preston,
>
> Great rejoinder! I wouldnt have said it better.
>
> That reminds me, where is the documentation on the recently held National
> ICT organisations Forum convened by KICTAnet/ICTBoard at KICC? It really
> showed us the cocktail and overlapping panorama that litters our ICT
> landscape.
>
> And on that note, I am voting with Shem that they all need to be
> harnessed under one framework. Otherwise what you get is a total war
> between them instead of progress.
>
> walu.
> --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Preston Odera <podera_2002 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Preston Odera <podera_2002 at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification
> > To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 2:21 PM
> > Dear All
> >
> > The road to statutory recognition should be facilitated by
> > the ICT Board with the purpose of having a recognized
> > certification on ICT. This should in no way hamper any
> > partnerships by other bodies to develop other
> > certifications.
> >
> > ICT areas are various and many bodies will have to play
> > different roles.
> >
> > I helped start a chapter in Kenya for IT Auditors and
> > Security Professionals in 1998 (ISACA Kenya Chapter
> > (Information Systems Audit & Control Association) with
> > now a membership standing at over 700 fully paid with a few
> > hundred certified professionals recognised internationally.
> > I have seen our members getting jobs and recognization in
> > Australia, South Africa, Europe, Middle East, US, Canada and
> > locally. The certifications currently are:-
> > 1) CISA - Certified Information Systems Auditor
> > 2) CISM - Certified Information Security Manager
> > 3) CGEIT - Certied Governance of Enterprise IT
> >
> > The examinations done twice a year.
> >
> > We have a sample curriculum for Universities which some
> > universities have adopted.
> > A lot of research work is done by members of the
> > association. We have a number of useful publications. One
> > area the association has worked on is COBIT - Control
> > Objectives on Information Technology which is gaining
> > recognisation worldwide. There are many areas one can
> > benefit from the association even if you are not a member in
> > particular if you are involved in developing a syllabus,
> > managing an enterprise etc.. We have very useful and reach
> > information area which can be accessed by non members and
> > download information www.isaca.org.
> >
> > The Chapter organizes once a month evening talks where
> > invited speakers talk on different subjects. At any one of
> > the talks we get over 100 participants. A very good forum to
> > meet many ICT proffessionals. If you have a topic you would
> > like to share with our members you are most welcome. The
> > talk takes one hour followed by a cocktail. We normally meet
> > at Nairobi Safari Club from 18:00hours mostly on the
> > second Thursday of every month.
> >
> > Would encourage you to visit our site for more
> > information on ICT ( www.isaca.org)
> >
> >
> >
> > Preston Odera
> > Membership Director
> > ISACA Kenya Chapter
> > &
> > Executive Director
> > K-Ninety East Africa Limited Tel +254 20 608316 Tel +254
> > 20 3544352 Fax + 254 20 608318 Cell +254 722 771 478
> > Email; info at k90ea.com
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 9/5/08, waudo siganga
> > <emailsignet at mailcan.com> wrote:
> > From: waudo siganga <emailsignet at mailcan.com>
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Review, identify gaps and enhance
> > the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification
> > To: podera_2002 at yahoo.com
> > Cc: amosoba at ict.go.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy
> > Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 5:53 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Re: [kictanet] Review, identify gaps and enhance the
> > quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification
> > Why is partnering with KASNEB a "Strategic
> > Objective' of the ICT Board? Does it mean that the Board
> > sees the running of ICT examinations and, presumably,
> > professionalism as a responsibility of accountants? To me
> > the strategic objective should be to ensure ICT education
> > and professionalism are established under statutory
> > recognition in their own right. The only advantage
> > accountants have is the statutory recognition and if we plan
> > properly we will reach there. I do not want to derail this
> > new partnership but I hope it is short term.BTW KASNEB does
> > not have the technical capacity to make any ICT Syllabus.
> > They had to call in a team of ICT experts, including me, to
> > write the CICT syllabus for them. The syllabus we made out
> > is geared for accountants.Kind Regards,
> > Waudo On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:47:20 +0300, "Al
> > Kags" <alkags at alkags.com> said:
> > The Kenya ICT Board and KASNEB have formed a partnership to
> > review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the
> > Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification that is managed by
> > KASNEB and offered by various ICT institutions in Kenya.
> > This collaboration will cover, among other areas:-
> > Working together towards enhancing quality ICT skills in
> > the countryMarketing CICT to get industry buy in and
> > endorsement at the same level as CPA.Collaborate in
> > conducting a baseline study/survey to determine the
> > deficiency of ICT skills and type of skills required.
> > Collaborate to lobby for appropriate legal provisions for
> > the establishment of an Institute for the CICT graduates,
> > recognizing KASNEB as the examining and the certification
> > body for ICT graduates.Work to gain industry acceptance of
> > CICT certification on same quality rating as CPA. The Kenya
> > ICT Board wishes to convene an ICT Public Panel to develop
> > industry and stake holder input into the review. We invite
> > the participation of key sector players in the industry on a
> > voluntary basis, as represented below:-
> > Industry players (IT products and services
> > suppliers/manufactures including Developer Community,
> > Skunkworks etc) - 5 representativesBusiness Process
> > Outsourcing and Call Centres - 2
> > representativesColleges representatives - 3
> > representativesUniversity representatives - 3
> > representativesStudent representatives – 5Related
> > government ministry's representatives - 3 Multinational
> > Corporations - 2
> > TORs of the Panel.
> >
> > To review the state of ICT skills in Kenya with a view to
> > identifying gaps and therefore make recommendations for
> > addressing those gaps as seen in a global context. The
> > Public Panel deliberations will be made out of a maximum of
> > three meetings at the Kenya ICT Board Offices on Waiyaki way
> > specifically on: -
> > Tuesday, September 9, 2008 at 10 amTuesday,
> > September 16, 2008 at 10 amTuesday,
> > September 23, 2008 at 10 amThe recommendations
> > will be presented to KASNEB for the review of the
> > Certification Curriculum, on September 26, 2008 at a venue
> > to be communicated closer to the date.
> >
> > This initiative is guided by the Kenya ICT Board's
> > Strategic Objectives, mainly:
> > To develop and promote competitive ICT Institutions in
> > KenyaTo develop and promote competitive ICT industries in
> > Kenya
> > TO PARTICIPATE
> > To participate, kindly contact the Public Panels team on
> > publicpanels at ict.go.ke . Please attach a brief profile of
> > yourself and the sector that you represent. The Board will
> > then formally invite you to participate in the Panel. While
> > the formal invitations will be issued entirely at the
> > discretion of the board, the broad criteria for
> > participation is as follows:-
> > Demonstrated experience and knowledge in the
> > sub-sectorExpressed willingness to serve pro
> > bonoDemonstrated general understanding of the educational
> > offering in the sector.We also welcome via email to
> > publicpanels at ict.go.ke written submission on this topic,
> > representations and opinions from the sector towards this
> > important exercise and they will also be collated with the
> > report.
> >
> > People make a plan work, a plan alone seldom makes people
> > work (Confucius).
> >
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