[kictanet] Tandaa - An Honest Analysis

Tue Nov 18 13:42:56 EAT 2008

Wainaina

Thanks for this one

I now agree with you and hiyo ni maendeleo

The how is very key here.

As for thee mailing list (mine), we are happy. If you are not and I have not
addressed your problem, send me a mail showing the complaints you sent to me
and was not addressed. I make sure that I address all complaints and dont
discriminate and if you complain, infact I dont just remove you, I ban you
so that my other buddies wont ever add you

Regards
Robert

On 11/18/08, Wainaina Mungai <wainaina at madeinkenya.org> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> The issue building up here is on HOW to generate local content and the
> ways not to do it.
>
> We have seen cases of ''how not to do it'' as per the mailinglists and
> websites facing complaints from listers here.
>
> I believe members can now find way on 'how to' generate and collate
> local content in solutions such as Ushahidi.com and BungeSMS.com that
> seek to exploit the pervasive nature of mobile telephony to increase
> citizen generated content on the web.
>
> Google Kenya has done a great job with Google maps that now has easily
> searchable maps of Nairobi even via mobile devices such as smartphones
> with GPS feature coupled with data through the GSM networks. A
> security & privacy question however arises here even as the content
> question has been addressed.
>
>
>
>
> On 11/18/08, Robert Alai <alai.robert at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Wainaina
> >
> > Know that the fact that you dont agree with someone doesnt mean that you
> > must raid the media house.
> >
> > Thats what you are trying to say here. We are discussing IT matters and
> what
> > you bring are your personal problems.
> >
> > If you have spammed my address and lists, why make noise? Blacklists
> them. I
> > will handle that in another way and know that I am registered in this
> forum
> > all through and this forum doesnt belong to Wainaina and the ealier you
> > realise that the better for you. Lets discuss matters which help this
> nation
> > and not go personal because let me assure you that for every on of my
> > actions before and in th future, I have a perfect answer for them.
> >
> > If you have a problem with BidiiAfrika send an email to
> > bidiiafrika-owner at googlegroups.com.
> >
> > And again on Media, I like NMG since they have toned rhetoric and very
> high
> > voltage news unlike KTN and standard group which still report like Kenya
> is
> > going to war. I disagree with them but surely I wont like anybody raiding
> > them
> >
> > Regards
> > Alai
> >
> > On 11/18/08, Wainaina Mungai <wainaina at madeinkenya.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> This is exactly the feedback I expected. I'm not at all disappointed
> >> as it has happened before.
> >>
> >> KICTANet needs to do something about importing such conduct from other
> >> lists.
> >>
> >>
> >> Wainaina
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/18/08, Robert Alai <alai.robert at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > As indicated by Alex, spam & forced mailinglist subscriptions is a
> >> > critical "local content" issue now that Alai has pointed fingers.
> >> >
> >> > I have been forced onto lists that do not allow for unsubscribing thus
> >> > I have marked Alai's address and his mailinglists as spam addresses.
> >> >
> >> > Robert, please sort that out first so that the "traffic" and
> >> > "subscription" numbers on your lists is a true reflection of
> >> > subscription by choice rather than forced numbers.
> >> >
> >> > I bet someone else has had the same experience with Kazi africa, bidii
> >> > africa and other lists.
> >> >
> >> > Wainaina. See the reply I gave to Gakuru. Blame your teacher and you
> >> > have
> >> no
> >> > use being in KICTANET if you cant even know how to operate simple
> email
> >> > addresses in,lists
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Alai
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 11/18/08, Wainaina Mungai <wainaina at madeinkenya.org> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi all,
> >> >>
> >> >> As indicated by Alex, spam & forced mailinglist subscriptions is a
> >> >> critical "local content" issue now that Alai has pointed fingers.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have been forced onto lists that do not allow for unsubscribing
> thus
> >> >> I have marked Alai's address and his mailinglists as spam addresses.
> >> >>
> >> >> Robert, please sort that out first so that the "traffic" and
> >> >> "subscription" numbers on your lists is a true reflection of
> >> >> subscription by choice rather than forced numbers.
> >> >>
> >> >> I bet someone else has had the same experience with Kazi africa,
> bidii
> >> >> africa and other lists.
> >> >>
> >> >> Wainaina
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 11/18/08, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > Alai,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I am somewhat now tempted to start a local content blog focusing on
> >> >> > 'opinion influencers' and opinion shapers themselves - informed by
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > fact that, content is king and awaited 'future online content
> >> >> > warfare'
> >> >> > arrived a long time ago.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So despite excluding my skunkworks presentation from your firing
> >> >> > squad, I shall nonetheless shoot back at you;)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Robert Alai <
> alai.robert at gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> Mirembe
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I have a very open and honest analysis of our Tandaa conference.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The facts which we must change is that Paul Kukubo, my big brother
> >> >> >> still
> >> >> >> sees it best to defend foreign companies and say that "eve if we
> >> >> >> want
> >> >> >> local
> >> >> >> content we must stilldo it with foreigners'.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Paul stated, "Let's realise that Internet is one. How can have 'our
> >> >> > Internet' so shielded away for 'outsiders Internet' to the extent
> >> >> > that
> >> >> > 'our content' is only accessible to us yet somehow  we expected to
> >> >> > make money from 'outsiders' through 'our Internet'? Maybe we should
> >> >> > not use downloaded [even-free] 'foreign' software, 'foreign'
> >> >> > computers, 'foreign' concepts, nothing 'foreign' except only
> localyy
> >> >> > made?" That was heavy!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>Let me tell you a thing. We
> >> >> >> must focus on local mpaka it becomes music. When I saw the slides
> of
> >> >> >> Joe
> >> >> >> Mucheru, which apparently I have seen in every conference I have
> >> >> attended
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> which he is the speaker. The websites listed there, non were
> Kenyan.
> >> >> >> The
> >> >> >> fact that Mucheru works for a Carlifornian company and he is
> Kenyan
> >> >> should
> >> >> >> make Mucheru sell Kenya more.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Its what all (or at least the majority of) the people in that room
> >> >> > were there *actually doing* Give Mucheru a break. (You stand
> accused
> >> >> > of promoting 'foreign content' by using Google mailing lists;)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> If you wanted a subscription website, you
> >> >> >> should have started with kenyalaw.org. If you wanted affiliates,
> >> >> >> mamamikes.com has affiliates. Lets focus on local. Lets give it
> lots
> >> of
> >> >> >> thought. We must give local examples and then mention the foreign
> >> ones
> >> >> >> just
> >> >> >> as an after-thought.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I wish you had asked ICT Board to make a presentation to the
> audience
> >> >> > to articulate you point?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> We want the companies to give the local content much thought and
> >> >> >> they
> >> >> can
> >> >> >> only do that when they think locally. When you make people believe
> >> that
> >> >> >> facebook is great, we wont head anywhere. See why Tanzanians are
> >> >> engaging
> >> >> >> more in bongo5.com and jamiiforums than facebook and others. They
> >> are
> >> >> >> actively loading pics and content and these two websites are
> really
> >> >> coming
> >> >> >> up well and considreing the age of the websites, we will see nice
> >> >> >> things
> >> >> >> from them. We should not glorify anything western. We must start
> >> >> >> appreciating our own facebook like Ngari has developed a good
> site,
> >> >> >> www.kasarani.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Kasarani is your website, right? The conference was not a sales
> pitch
> >> >> > for *anyone* but a conversation exploring various ways to promote
> >> >> > local content.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> When I started my start forum and blogging thing, jamiiforums.com
> ,
> >> we
> >> >> had
> >> >> >> lots of problems. But we also had people telling us that the forum
> >> >> >> which
> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> being run by my great friend Maxence, was going nowhere because
> >> >> Tanzanians
> >> >> >> don't speak a lot of English. See the site now. I don't think that
> >> >> >> there
> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> any forum in this region with that kind of killer traffic.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Me, me, me again... Try a bit of our, our, our, country's local
> >> content.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> There is no forum
> >> >> >> in this region which makes the government shakes like hell when
> >> issues
> >> >> are
> >> >> >> being analyzed there. And they are doing it most of the time in
> >> >> >> Swahili.
> >> >> >> We
> >> >> >> must focus on being local if we want local content.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 'Government' is a strange 3-legged animal Executive, Legislature,
> and
> >> >> > Judiciacy.
> >> >> > If one makes this animal 'shake like hell,' that person ought to be
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > very serious trouble...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> NMG bought a script from Germans and installed it on their site
> >> without
> >> >> a
> >> >> >> forum nor blogs for the senior writers. Why? No creativity. NTV,
> >> EasyFm
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> QFM are not online. A very good percentage of articles in Mailbox
> >> >> >> are
> >> >> >> plagiarized from blogs and forums without acknowledgement and
> >> articles
> >> >> in
> >> >> >> entertainment and lifestyle mazagines are plagiarized from
> magazines
> >> >> like
> >> >> >> cosmopolitan and Elle sometimes word for word.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Why so excessive negative energy? There must be something NMG have
> >> done
> >> >> > right?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> The Tandaa website was .com and not .co.ke. Even if you are not
> >> hosting
> >> >> >> locally, you could still have had a local domain registration.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Had you tried http://www.tandaa.co.ke/ before the conference? BTW,
> I
> >> >> > host websites abroad many times and I have no problems with it. It
> >> >> > can
> >> >> > be a business decision why host locally with painfully expensive
> ISP?
> >> >> > Host 'politically incorrect' website at a pro-conformist provider
> >> >> > 'anti-telcos' content with one of them.... etc.. It's a matrix of
> >> >> > decision making procees..
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> The funniest thing I got from the conference, why would 6 or 7
> >> speakers
> >> >> >> speak for 15 minutes each and then  the forum audience is given 10
> >> >> minutes
> >> >> >> to ask questions and suggestions?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The sun waits for no King and time has never been enough.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>Do you know that the slides from Capital,
> >> >> >> NMG, Google, Homeboyz, Kictanet, ICT board, Strathmore, Rich,
> Cisco
> >> and
> >> >> >> others are shown to us almost in every conference we attend. They
> >> have
> >> >> >> become so predictable that the best place to get more stories and
> >> even
> >> >> >> slides which you have never seen is from the public.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Would you also be suggesting that new school textbooks be published
> >> >> > every
> >> >> > year?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>Givingg 15 minutes to
> >> >> >> each speaker which is 105 minutes for the seven speakers then the
> >> >> audience
> >> >> >> asks and get replies in 10 minutes is really not correct and shows
> >> and
> >> >> >> attitude of escapism where te audience are feared that they might
> >> >> embarass
> >> >> >> the speakers with questions.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > You just created conveniently suitable circumstances to arrive at
> >> >> > your
> >> >> > conclusion?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> The other facts of the conference was ok. The moderator, Al Kags,
> >> >> >> was
> >> >> >> ok
> >> >> >> but
> >> >> >> I think that we can do alot of improvements by having power cable
> >> well
> >> >> >> spread for bloggers and also the Wi-Fi to be abit superior. I had
> to
> >> >> rely
> >> >> >> on
> >> >> >> my Zain unlimited since the ICT board Wi-fi kept shutting down.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Would it not have been fair to mention some of those 'ok' facts.
> Its
> >> >> > called "fair commentating"
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> We also think that we can have an active network and the best
> place
> >> to
> >> >> >> start
> >> >> >> is now here in KICTANET. I see us turning KICTANET into an open
> >> >> vbulletin
> >> >> >> run forum with CMS managed frontpage like www.haitiwebs.com and
> >> >> >> www.mustangevolution.com. Vbulletin is so superior and it wont
> take
> >> us
> >> >> >> even
> >> >> >> a day to have this thing up and running.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Dunno..
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Senior members, what do you think?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I just have. But allow me to add that *nix users have this thing
> >> >> > about
> >> >> > multi-thread thought processes which lead me to advice users to
> >> >> > format
> >> >> > their Windows and install *nix. It makes engagement multi-faceted
> >> >> > critique and criticize when necessesary but also appreciate and
> >> >> > praise
> >> >> > excellent achievement.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Tandaa.08 was an excellent event and I wish the ICT board could
> >> >> > explain to us who were the brains behind it. They can count on me
> for
> >> >> > their next such conference.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Rider:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > There is a clip one run NTV of an Edloret pharmacist who literary
> and
> >> >> > severally slapped himself on the face upon being visited by
> >> >> > Pharmacies
> >> >> > and Poisons Board drug inspectors.
> >> >> > Let's not always take the shrtest route to slap every great
> >> >> > initiative, erroneously.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Also we avoid "local content spam", for example, forced mailing
> lists
> >> >> > subscriptions;)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > G'day,
> >> >> >
> >> >>
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