[kictanet] kictanet Digest, Vol 14, Issue 151

Mon Jul 28 09:30:55 EAT 2008

Why don't we put the discussion on new DG to rest and give him, a
benefit of doubt to prove his worth, shem and the rest who believe they
should be DG's have an opportunity since the DG position is not
everlasting but has definite period one can serve.
Evans Nyagah

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: New DG (Joseph Manthi)
   2. Official invitation for the Third IGF Meeting (alice)
   3. DiploFoundation Call For Applications: Internet Governance
      Capacity Building Programme for INDIA 2008 (Plain Text email)]
(alice)
   4. Re: New DG (Joseph Manthi)

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:40:09 -0400
From: Joseph Manthi <jmanthi at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] New DG
To: Brian Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
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Bryan
Well said

New Vision is their way of saying that unless things go there way they  
shall scream and holler corruption all day long.

As in this case.

Let's use this case as an example - Shem thinks he should be the new  
DG not because he has the relevant experience but because he has a PhD  
in "imformatician"

 From what you have indicated they seem to have made the right decision.

Joe

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 25, 2008, at 5:33 AM, "Brian Longwe" <blongwe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Wow,
>
> I think you guys are now just arguing for the sake of arguing.
>
> Some facts to help clear the air.
>
> 1) Mr. Njoroge has been with CCK since it's inception
> 2) Mr. Njoroge has been working as second violin to all of the  
> preceding DGs
> 3) The position was advertised broadly in all the local dailies by a  
> reputable International "Executive Appointments" firm
> 4) The said firm processed applications, came up with a short list,  
> presented this to the CCK board
> 5) CCK board interviewed all candidates
> 6) CCK Board conducted follow up interviews on all candidates who  
> passed first interview
> 7) CCK Board independently selected the highest scoring  
> candidate ... Mr. Njoroge
> 8) CCK Board forwarded their recommendation to the Minister/President
> 9) A lot of politicians tried to "get their man in" - thus wasting a  
> lot of time
> 10) The Minister/President did the wise thing and ratified the  
> Board's recommendation
> 11) Mr. Njoroge was announced as the new DG
>
> Is this the way things should be done? Yes!
> Should we wish/hope for our Government to use a different approach?  
> No!
>
> So I'm happy and elated that we for the first time have a DG who has  
> served in/with the regulator for over 8 years.
>
> As Manthi has put it - let us see if he can deliver - I have a  
> feeling he will.
>
> Regards,
>
> Brian
>
> ps - what is this New Vision list I see copied whenever Shem is  
> mentioned?
>
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Joseph Manthi <jmanthi at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
> See below
>
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Odhiambo Washington
<odhiambo at gmail.com 
> > wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Joseph Manthi <jmanthi at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
> > Washington:
> > I am not being personal, everything I have stated here is either  
> what Shem
> > has said himself and what is in public record. One thing about  
> democracy is
> > that the person in power appoints his people. When that person is  
> off power,
> > all his people are replace with those of the new "presidents"  
> political
> > persuasion. I do not see what you guys are whining about.
>
> In the US, the person in power appoints, and the appointee gets vetted
> by Congress,
> which has the rights to refuse such an appointment, yes? That is  
> democracy.
> In Kenya, where noone can vet, do you still call it democracy?
>
> That is Parliament's problem not CCK or of this forum. If the  
> parliament does not want to exercise its prerogative to change laws  
> that allow it to oversee parastatals who are to complain if  
> appointments are skewed to one side. The only other recourse you and  
> I have is to make sure that we vote the right candidate in - that is  
> Democracy. We have a new parliament lets hope they listen to you.
>
> BTW: If you did not know it Dr Shem Ochuodho was an MP. Did he table  
> a motion to give the parliament powers to oversee appointment of CCK  
> DGs?
>
> I do not know
>
>
>
>
> > Under the circumstances, the current leadership would have  
> appointed a
> > village idiot to run CCK because according to them the idiot was  
> qualified
> > and there would have been nothing wrong with that. You are  
> listening way too
> > much to the WB/IFC to be of any good to the country. This guy has  
> worked in
> > CCK - as someone else has stated. He probably knows more about  
> deregulation
> > and ICT than 90% of the subscribers to this list - me and Shem  
> included -
> > because deregulation is an economic concept. I expect him to lead  
> the CCK
> > into the right direction.
> >
> > Having some ICT knowledge does not make you a good Regulator  
> Manager. The
> > problem with people complaining too much is that their audience  
> stops
> > listening.
> >
> > Give the guy a chance and stop whining about who should and who  
> should not
> > have been appointed.
>
> So according to you, the status quo is equally good?
> Then surely, I believe you are wrongly in this list, which seeks to
> establish changes by
> coming up with policies that can see this country move to the next  
> level!
>
> You are reverting back to stone age arguments.
>
> This is a political argument. I do not know the new guy, so neither  
> do you. And therefore you do not know his capability. Give him a  
> chance to prove himself. After all I am sure the full cabinet  
> including the PM's office was in on the appointment. Did they raise  
> hell because of his appointment? No. They obviously know something  
> you or I do not.
>
> Again - from studying places where Regulation and Deregulation has  
> happening - you do not need an "informatician" - whatever that is -  
> to run an ICT house or a regulator.
>
> An example:
> - Steve Ballmer can't write a single line of code
> - Ratan Tata probably does not know what an RJ45 cable is
> - To name a few
>
> These two guys are running some of the best run ICT companies in the  
> world
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
> Nairobi,KE
> +254733744121/+254722743223
> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
>
> "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!"
>  --from a /. post
>
>
>
> -- 
> Joseph Manthi
> CEO
> MEO Ltd
> http://www.meoltd.com
>
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>
> -- 
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:07:27 +0300
From: alice <alice at apc.org>
Subject: [kictanet] Official invitation for the Third IGF Meeting
To: Kenya ICT Action Network - KICTANet
	<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
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Hi All

For those who follow global internet policy and governance processes, 
here's the official invitation to the 3rd Internet Governance Forum 
taking place in India.

best
alice
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The UN Secretary General's invitation to the third IGF meeting,

Hyderabad, India (3-6 December 2008) is online 
<http://www.intgovforum.org/usgdesa-letter-en.html>

On behalf of the Secretary-General, it is my pleasure to invite you to
participate in the Third IGF in Hyderabad, India on 3 - 6 December 2008.

The meeting will be open to all World Summit on the information Society
(WSIS) accredited entities, as well as other institutions and persons
with proven expertise and experience in matters related to Internet
governance.

Following broad-based consultations through the Multi-stakeholder
Advisory Group (MAG), the proposed agenda for the Third Meeting of the
IGF will be as follows:

    * Reaching the next billion;
    * Promoting cyber-security and trust;
    * Managing critical Internet resources;
    * Taking stock and the way forward;
    * Emerging issues - the Internet of tomorrow

The overall theme of the meeting will be internet for all'.

This theme complements that of the 2008 World Telecommunications and
Information Society Day, 'connecting people with disabilities'. The
theme underscores the importance of ensuring that we include the world's
650 million people with disabilities as we move towards giving internet
access to the next billion people.

I take this opportunity to express my gratitude to the Government of
India for hosting the next Meeting of the internet Governance Forum
(IGF). Our host this year provides us with a practical example of how
tremendous economic growth can be achieved through harnessing the tools
which the Internet has placed at our disposaL We will see first hand in
the host city of Hyderabad, how India's development through the
application of Information and Communication Technology (lCT) has been
truly astounding.

I look forward to welcoming you to the IGF in Hyderabad this December.

The invitation is made by Under-Secretary-General Sha Zukang on 
behalf of the Secretary-General.

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:36:48 +0300
From: alice <alice at apc.org>
Subject: [kictanet] DiploFoundation Call For Applications: Internet
	Governance Capacity Building Programme for INDIA 2008 (Plain
Text
	email)]
To: Kenya ICT Action Network - KICTANet
	<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
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DIPLO FOUNDATION INTERNET GOVERNANCE AND POLICY
>
>Call for Applications
>
>Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme for INDIA 2008
>
>DiploFoundation (http://www.diplomacy.edu) and the National Internet
>Exchange of India (NIXI) (http://www.nixi.in/) are currently accepting
>applications for the Online Capacity Building Training in Internet
>Governance for India. This online training is designed to improve
Internet
>Governance (IG) related knowledge and skills for participants. The
training
>also facilitates community-building among individuals with different
>backgrounds.
>
>
>The Programme
>
>The programme offers places for 30 young professionals in India from
diverse
>stakeholder backgrounds in IG-related fields. The programme will start
on 1
>September 2008, and will last for 10 weeks.
>
>The training is conducted entirely online and in English. Participation
>takes place through an online learning platform enabling a variety of
>interactive learning and communication tools and encouraging sharing of
>knowledge and experiences. Participants are divided in two groups of 15
>participants, each, under the guidance of certified Diplo online tutors
and
>with support from trained professionals from the region.
>
>The ten most successful participants will be awarded a Policy
Fellowship
>from NIXI. The fellowship from will facilitate participation at the
Internet
>Governance Forum in Hyderabad, India, December 2008, by sponsoring five
days
>of bed and breakfast, and a stipend of ten thousand rupees to cover
travel
>and other costs. The selected participants may present findings of
their
>research at some parallel events at the IGF.
>
>
>Timeline
>
>?         10 July - call for applicants
>
>?         5 August - application deadline
>
>?         15 August - selection results 
>
>?         1 September - start of the course 
>
>?         15 November - final evaluation
>
>
>Fee
>
>While the course is subsidized by NIXI and DiploFoundation, there is a
>nominal fee of Rupees 1000 (Approx. USD 25) per participant (to be paid
>after the selection).
>
>
>Deadline
>
>The deadline for applications is 5 August 2008, by midnight UTC/GMT.
>
>
>How to Apply
>
>For further information and to apply, please visit the DiploFoundation
IG
>website at
http://www.diplomacy.edu/ig/IGCBP/display.asp?Topic=Call-India.
>Do not hesitate to contact us at ig at diplomacy.edu .
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:57:27 -0400
From: "Joseph Manthi" <jmanthi at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] New DG
To: "Odhiambo Washington" <odhiambo at gmail.com>
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>,
	Robert Onyango-Alai <alai.robert at gmail.com>
Message-ID:
	<896f69760807251057m3cddc957gb2ad89ef6664b4d2 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

WO:

"When we blindly adopt any religion, political system, or literary
dogma, we become automatons. We cease to grow."
                                                        -- Anais Nin

Ditto

Joe

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 3:23 AM, Odhiambo Washington
<odhiambo at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 9:55 AM, John Walubengo <jwalu at yahoo.com>
wrote:
> > I think I have to support Manthi on this one. We cannot wish away
> Political influence on such an important and strategic appointment -
infact
> it could be  suicidal to do so.
> >
> > I havent talked to Shem or the other un-succesfull contenders
> (pretenders?) for the post but I am 100% sure that they must have
tried to
> get their political godfathers to say a good word for them too. If
they
> didn't have any political godfathers, then they should have prudently
> declined to apply for the job (like me ;-)
> >
> > So guys, stop talking criteria only when things do not go your way.
>  Instead lets congratulate the new DG because economist, engineer,
lawyer,
> informatician or whatever - he did go to school and has the experience
to
> deal with the office. Our role may be more useful in demanding
deliverables
>  from him rather splitting hair on why he was appointed and we were
left
> out.
> >
> > walu.
>
> Hi Walu,
>
> I agree in part with you, about the demand for deliverables from him,
> but I still stand against the mode of appointment, where I'll stand
> with the other side of this debate.
> I sign out of this  thread with the following quote:
>
> "When we blindly adopt any religion, political system, or literary
> dogma, we become automatons. We cease to grow."
>                                                         -- Anais Nin
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
> Nairobi,KE
> +254733744121/+254722743223
> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
>
> "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!"
>  --from a /. post
>
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