[kictanet] Kenya ICT Sector Stakeholder Public Forum (was Re: Legislation and Discipline & Ethics

Tue Jul 15 10:06:16 EAT 2008

Dear all,

The anti-foreigner attacks in South Africa, Zimbabwe, other African
countries...and now Kenya....

Is there a bigger picture evolving across the continent?

Wainaina

On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Joseph Manthi <jmanthi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Brian
> We take exception to our country being run by foreigners because we know
> what it means to live in their midst. You come and live in the US - or ask
> those Kenyans who have studied in India and could not find a single job in
> India to do not because they did not have skills but because they were not
> Indian - and you will tell me what you think.
>
> A foreign born national - especially Africans - will not be allowed the
> kind of access and influence you guys seem to be abrogating to self declared
> foreigners leave alone those ones who are quiet and do not want to be found
> out. And when qualified Kenyans want to return home they find everything
> being run by foreigners and doors closed.
>
> Joe
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Now Joseph that was entirely uncalled  for. Do you begin to have even the
>> slightest clue as to the extent that this country has benefitted from
>> Florence "Mama ICT's" sweat, blood and tears.
>>
>> The question that is lurking in the bcak of my mind is why does it only
>> (or mainly) seem to be our diaspora who are taking exception to the
>> "visitors" in our midst? Could it be some kind of misplaced aggression?
>>
>> If Dr. Henry Chassia was talked about or treated by the South Africans the
>> way you guys are addressing our valued friends then both Mandela and Mbeki
>> would not benefit from his incredible input in their Presidential Advisory
>> Committee on ICTs.
>>
>> Please desist from these kind of racial slurs....
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 14 Jul 2008, at 7:27 PM, "Joseph Manthi" <jmanthi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Florence:
>> Don't you think you should let Kenyan's deal with their own stuff instead
>> of you foreigners interfering? This is equivalent to you being invited to
>> someone's else's house and asking to sleep in the parent's bed. It is high
>> time you let us do our own things for our benefit.
>>
>> Brian, I vote no to this.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Florence Etta <<feanywhere at yahoo.co.uk>
>> feanywhere at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>  My dear Brian,
>>>
>>> May I humbly publicly offer my services to facilitate such a Forum since
>>> I am NOT Kenyan I wil not take sides.
>>>
>>> Besides, I am passionate about developments in this sector and in the
>>> continent at large and I love to bring people together to discuss
>>> constructiuvely. Trust me.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Florence Etta
>>>
>>> *Alternative Email: <Email%3Aflorence.etta at gmail.com>
>>> florence.etta at gmail.com*
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Brian Munyao Longwe < <brian at caret.net>brian at caret.net>
>>> To: <feanywhere at yahoo.co.uk>feanywhere at yahoo.co.uk
>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> Sent: Monday, 14 July, 2008 4:39:57 PM
>>> Subject: [kictanet] Kenya ICT Sector Stakeholder Public Forum (was Re:
>>> Legislation and Discipline & Ethics)
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> We are proposing a Public Forum on Thursday 31st of July to be held at a
>>> suitable venue in Nairobi. The objective will be to provide all the
>>> different ICT stakeholder organisations within Kenya a chance to introduce
>>> themselves and their policies to the public.
>>>
>>> There will also be opportunity to evaluate Kenya's ICT ecosystem,
>>> especially with regards to the different entities, their missions, roles and
>>> goals. As well as provide organisations such as KEPSA with an opportunity to
>>> share their view/vision on how they expect ICT sector input/engagement.
>>>
>>> Formal announcement will be posted once details have been worked out, but
>>> in the meantime please pencil this into your schedules. We can also explore
>>> the possibility of an IP stream for the Diaspora... if there is interest in
>>> tracking this.
>>>
>>> Warm regards,
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> On Jul 14, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Bill Kagai wrote:
>>>
>>> Daktari,
>>>
>>> I agree with you to some extent. If I were to chronicle the genesis of
>>> the problem, some organisations were/are feeling choked by KIF especially in
>>> relation to KEPSA. In my opinion, this means that KIF has managed to do many
>>> things better than others to get where they are. However, that should not
>>> mean that KIF now becomes the blanket representative of the industry in
>>> matters pertaining to KEPSA. Other specialised organisations e.g.
>>> Skunkworks, CSK, Kictanet etc should have equal opportunity to adress their
>>> sector specific concerns with any stakeholder. [Government/Industry/Public].
>>> E.g. If a foreign software house came to Government seeking advice on how to
>>> partner with the local industry, why should KIF seize the opportunity when
>>> we know that Skunkworks is more adept in those matters?? [Caveat -
>>> organisations mentioned for purpose of elaboration only]
>>>
>>> The crux of the matter is that these new organisations do not come up
>>> because of sector specific concerns they wish addressed...service,
>>> bandwidth, policy, payment gateways etc but because officials running
>>> established organisations have become 'Mugabes' resisting change and growing
>>> old [literally] in those positions.
>>>
>>> You are best placed to provide leadership here by insisting that you will
>>> only engage with organisations that run efficient structures with clear
>>> mandates from their electorates and I will follow by paying membership in
>>> all organisations that I feel will help air my business concerns in the
>>> industry. Actually, I will be comfortable dealing with your ministry through
>>> my sector organisation instead of all us queueing at your reception. And I
>>> will hold my organisation leader responsible and thus create more time for
>>> you to engage with others.
>>>
>>> Waudo::: You know what am talking about. Be brave...wachia vijana
>>> usukani.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:30 PM, < <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
>>> bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bill,
>>>> In my view, such fracases are an indication of the level of activity in
>>>> our sector.  We however must exercise our freedom of speech with
>>>> responsibility.  If nothing was happening, nobody will feel squeezed.
>>>>
>>>> We must show the world that inspite of our differences, we are able to
>>>> remain focused.  I wish we spent more energy on diffusion of technoloy.   We
>>>> have limitless opportunities in this sector that we must encourage more
>>>> foreign equity participation to ensure a flow of technology transfer.  This
>>>> is what the NICs did.
>>>>
>>>> Asante.
>>>>
>>>> Ndemo.
>>>>
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