[kictanet] Legislation and Discipline & Ethics
Joseph Manthi
jmanthi at gmail.com
Mon Jul 14 03:40:32 EAT 2008
Kevit
I am still astounded at the veracity of this statement:
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Why don't we all meet at the Jacaranda, land mark, Westlands at 5.00pm
today. At the poolside.
Informal discussion. I will be waiting.
Kevit Desai
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You think a discussion as important as this - a discussion I think goes to
the core of who we as Kenyans can be discussed at a bar? Is this what you
think of us? That after a few beers we will see things your way?
Kevit - please wake up and smell the new Kenya. And the new Kenyans.
Joe
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Tim Rick <timrick at gmail.com> wrote:
> I would love to know how many of the people here met Kevit and the
> results.the discussion is just making me realise Kenyans have woken up after
> the Grand Saga.So Kevit?Any good discussions you had and way forward?
>
> 2008/7/13 <kictanet-request at lists.kictanet.or.ke>:
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>> 1. Re: Discipline & Ethics - Re: Legislation and
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:37:11 +0300
>> From: "kevit desai" <kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com>
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Discipline & Ethics - Re: Legislation and
>> Regulationfore-Commerce in Kenya
>> To: <kiriinya2000 at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
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>> Why don't we all meet at the Jacaranda, land mark, Westlands at 5.00pm
>> today. At the poolside.
>>
>> Informal discussion. I will be waiting.
>>
>> Kevit Desai
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: kictanet-bounces+kevit=centurionsystemsltd.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kevit <kictanet-bounces%2Bkevit>=
>> centurionsystemsltd.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke]
>> On Behalf Of wesley kiriinya
>> Sent: 13 July 2008 10:52
>> To: kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com
>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Discipline & Ethics - Re: Legislation and
>> Regulationfore-Commerce in Kenya
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gentlemen,
>>
>> Before these so called foreigners got these positions that Kenyans would
>> have occupied, what were Kenyans waiting for? (Honest question.)
>>
>> If there is a higher appointing authority that picks these so called
>> foreigners over Kenyans then it's them to blame (if there is a good
>> reason).
>>
>> That said, as much as free speech is appreciated, so is discretion. Sorry
>> to
>> say but it is embarrassing to read some of these posts.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>>
>> --- On Sun, 7/13/08, waudo siganga <emailsignet at mailcan.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: waudo siganga <emailsignet at mailcan.com>
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Discipline & Ethics - Re: Legislation and
>> Regulation
>> fore-Commerce in Kenya
>> To: kiriinya2000 at yahoo.com
>> Cc: "'kictanet-lists'" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008, 9:19 AM
>>
>> Hi All - I am the one that asserted that Kenyan (ICT) associations should
>> be
>> run by Kenyans and I stand by that. It has absolutely nothing to do with
>> racism. Every country has policies to protect its people. Even in the USA
>> you can only stand for president if you were born American. Is that
>> racism?
>> Associations are at the heart of pushing for policy and it pains me to see
>> foreigners jostling Kenyans out of the way and being the ones running up
>> and down the Government corridors carrying "position papers".
>>
>> I find it deplorable that Brian is using his position on the list to
>> threaten to unsubscribe those who do not agree with his views and consign
>> them to the Nyayo House dungeons. Brian you have been partisan on these
>> issues throughout. You are issuing "apologies" to people you already sided
>> with and they are quickly "accepting". At one time you were saying we
>> visit
>> KIF to see how they run meetings as though suggesting Kenyans do not know
>> how to run meetings. Is this the Brian I knew or someone using your mail
>> account? Tafadhali, wacha wananchi wasema hata kama uko pande ile ingine.
>>
>> Waudo
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:52:02 +0300, "kevit desai"
>> <kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com> said:
>>
>> Dear Brian,
>>
>> Apologies accepted. And thank you Mr Chairman.
>>
>>
>>
>> Wambui it is acceptable to challenge governance structures and also wish
>> to
>> know more about associations. How else will we seek your support with some
>> off the very exciting things we are doing.
>>
>>
>>
>> What deeply concerns me is the notion that associations should be run by
>> Kenyans. We all have to rise well above this, especially when we see the
>> success and contributions of some people. Kenya 's grateful to have
>> people like Mike Eldon, Steve Smith, Michael Joseph, Marcel Werner , and
>> others, they have contributed so much. Even to the peace process let alone
>> the advances in ICT's.
>>
>> Kictanet must stamp out any form of racist remarks. This is the lowest of
>> the lowest, and contributes to disengagement. Rules have to be put in
>> place.
>>
>>
>>
>> Your leadership is a sigh of relief. And I look forward to you uniting us
>> all to a common vision of ICT's for National development.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am waiting..
>>
>>
>>
>> Kevit Desai
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>>
>> From: kictanet-bounces+kevit=centurionsystemsltd.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kevit <kictanet-bounces%2Bkevit>=
>> centurionsystemsltd.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke]
>> On Behalf Of Brian Munyao Longwe
>> Sent: 12 July 2008 09:50
>> To: kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com
>> Cc: kictanet-lists
>> Subject: [kictanet] Discipline & Ethics - Re: Legislation and Regulation
>> fore-Commerce in Kenya
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Marcel/Kevit/KIF,
>>
>>
>>
>> I will personally take this opportunity to apologize on behalf of KICTANET
>> for the ills which KIF has suffered in the recent dialogue.
>>
>>
>>
>> As Kevit (and you) have clearly pointed out, KiF has welcomed anyone with
>> questions to have these answered in person while at the same time
>> providing
>> as many answers as this media allows.
>>
>>
>>
>> I know both yourself and Kevit to be men of integrity and seriously
>> dedicated to the advancement of IcTs in Kenya . I now humbly beg you to
>> forgive the indiscretions by some of our members in their misuse of this
>> forum.
>>
>>
>>
>> As Chairperson of this Network I will not stand by and see this forum
>> turned
>> into the kind of low and despicable rant-fests that have characterised
>> certain other Kenyan lists and blogs.
>>
>>
>>
>> I hereby request a public apology to KIF on this list, from Alex, by
>> Tuesday, failing which I will suspend his (and any other member who
>> persists
>> in mudslinging) list membership for one month.
>>
>>
>>
>> I once again humbly appeal to all members of this list to desist from the
>> kind of myopic, vindictive banter that we have recently witnessed. We must
>> work *together* for a better Kenya , and this will not come through
>> tomfoolery and irresponsible words/actions.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sincerely
>>
>>
>>
>> Brian Munyao Longwe
>>
>> Chairman, KICTANET
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On 11 Jul 2008, at 10:44 PM, " Marcel Werner " <marcelcwerner at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Kictanet membership,
>>
>> The Kenya ICT Federation (KIF) is a reputable organization, duly
>> registered
>> and maintaining a proper governance system with a registered, paid-up
>> membership base consisting of equally reputable ICT associations and
>> companies.
>>
>> KIF has done a number of useful things over the period of its existence
>> (see
>> Kevit's posting, earlier this week).
>>
>> Recent postings on the Kictanet list appear to discredit our own
>> organization KIF and its members with insinuations and slander. This is
>> unacceptable.
>>
>> The Kictanet web-site shows KIF as a member of Kictanet (nr 8). We do not
>> wish to be associated with an organization that lends itself to unhelpful
>> campaigns by individuals, campaigns that can go on with impunity. There is
>> no need at all to damage our and other's initiatives that are being
>> implemented in the public interest (see again Kevit's posting) by informal
>> networks with doubtful legitimacy. Please note that KIF has never signed
>> any
>> membership instrument with Kictanet, neither have we been charged nor have
>> we paid for any membership fees. (page 9 of the Kenya ICT Action Network
>> Competence Status Survey Assessment Report (posted on
>> <http://www.kictanet.or.ke/> http://www.kictanet.or.ke/) highlights the
>> membership problems of Kictanet. Personally I had highlighted this
>> membership problem already a year ago in the interview that Kictanet held
>> with us some time mid 2007 in the evaluation study of its role and
>> performance - I have to conclude today that membership management has
>> never
>> been addressed at Kictanet). We instruct Kictanet to remove KIF from its
>> list of its appointed "Members".
>>
>> We look forward to be part of a Kictanet that has a legitimate
>> constituency
>> because there is need for a place of dialogue between civil society and
>> private sector. Kictanet is not playing such a role today at all and
>> creates
>> a space for civil society to alienate itself from the private sector.
>> Kictanet needs to clean up its house.
>>
>> We need serious dialogue, between all sectors in society, and we need to
>> reach out internationally. We don't have time for any nonsense.
>>
>> Best regards, Marcel Werner , chairman of KIF :)
>>
>>
>>
>> 2008/7/11 kevit desai < <mailto:kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com>
>> kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com>:
>>
>> Alex,
>> Kenya ICT Federation is a serious and well established organization,
>> supported by its members who are also reputable and well established
>> organizations.
>> I confirm Centurion systems does not receive any money from KIF. Please
>> verify the Business advocacy funds contributions and conditions since your
>> information is false.
>>
>> It is not right to publish insinuations affecting KIF and its membership
>> on
>> a forum like Kictanet. Especially, since I have extended an invitation to
>> meet so that I can give further explanations. I am waiting to gauge the
>> interest in this invitation.
>>
>> For now I close my participation.
>>
>> Kevit Desai
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gakuru , Alex [mailto: <mailto:alexgakuru.lists at gmail.com>
>> alexgakuru.lists at gmail.com]
>> Sent: 11 July 2008 17:24
>>
>> To: kevit desai
>> Cc: kictanet-lists
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya
>>
>> Kevit;
>>
>> KIF recently received Kshs 3.5 grant million from a certain business fund.
>> I am curious centurion system hosts them under their CSR?
>>
>> Public forum to explain all dealings openly and transparently?.
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> On 7/11/08, kevit desai < <mailto:kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com>
>> kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Sylvester,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thank you for all the interest shown. Some of you would like further
>> > information on the following activities:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Historical & present- Impact
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > - Ministerial stakeholder forum (regular sectoral discussions
>> > private sector - Government, with KEPSA)
>> >
>> > - Power up with ICT nation - wide awareness campaigns (2004,
>> 2005,
>> > 2006)
>> >
>> > - E-Government - municipal councils
>> >
>> > - Open source software community
>> >
>> > - E-commerce legislation
>> >
>> > - Engineering student exhibition - 1997 - 2008
>> >
>> > - ICT Bills (2006 - 2008)
>> >
>> > - Creation of INFOCOM Ministry (2003)
>> >
>> > - National ICT Policy formulation (2004 - 2006)
>> >
>> > - Tax reforms 2006, 2007, 2008
>> >
>> > - National innovation system
>> >
>> > - University Education Reforms Task Force (2006 - current)
>> >
>> > - PSDS
>> >
>> > - Africon 2009
>> >
>> > - Public panels with Kenya ICT Board
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Associations:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > - KEPSA
>> >
>> > - KIF
>> >
>> > - IEEE
>> >
>> > - Kenya software industry association
>> >
>> >
>> > Please confirm your interest in a meeting. This will allow me to gauge
>> level
>> > of participation so as to plan the venue and also mobilize the relevant
>> > leaders. If you are not on board, it would be great to have you on
>> board.
>> We
>> > need your support
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Kevit Desai
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Director of Engineering - Centurion Systems
>> >
>> > Chairperson IEEE - Kenya Section
>> >
>> > Chairman - Engineering students exhibition
>> >
>> > Governor - KEPSA
>> >
>> > Director - KEPSA
>> >
>> > Director - Innovation Africa
>> >
>> > Director- Kenya ICT Board
>> >
>> > Vice Chairman - Kenya ICT Federation
>> >
>> > BOA - AIESEC
>> >
>> > Member - National Strategy for University Education
>> >
>> > Co-ordinator - Growing Sustainable Business(GSB)-UNDP Kenya
>> >
>> > General Co-Chair - Africon 2009
>> >
>> > 2nd Fl, New Rehema Hse,
>>
>> Raphta Rd
>>
>> , Westlands - Nairobi
>> >
>> > P.O. BOX 66031 - 00800 Nrb.
>> >
>> > Tel:+254 20 4440102/3 Fax: +254 20 4440104 CDMA: 020 2049750
>> >
>> > Mobile : +254 722 517067
>> >
>> > <http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/>
>> http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com
>> <http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/>
>> >
>> > <http://www.ieee.org/> http://www.ieee.org <http://www.ieee.org/>
>> >
>> > <http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke/>
>> http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke
>> <http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke/>
>> >
>> > <http://www.innovation-africa.net/> http://www.innovation-africa.net
>> <http://www.innovation-africa.net/>
>> >
>> > <http://www.kepsa.or.ke/> http://www.kepsa.or.ke
>> <http://www.kepsa.or.ke/>
>> >
>> > <http://www.powerup.co.ke/> http://www.powerup.co.ke
>> <http://www.powerup.co.ke/>
>> >
>> > <http://www.aiesec.org/> http://www.aiesec.org <http://www.aiesec.org/
>> >
>> >
>> > <http://www.africon2007.co.za/> http://www.africon2007.co.za
>> <http://www.africon2007.co.za/>
>> >
>> > <http://www.kif.or.ke/> http://www.kif.or.ke <http://www.kif.or.ke/>
>> >
>> > <http://www.ict.go.ke/> www.ict.go.ke <http://www.ict.go.ke/>
>> >
>> > <http://www.globalcompact.org/> http://www.globalcompact.org
>> <http://www.globalcompact.org/>
>> >
>> > <http://www.undp.org/business/gsb> http://www.undp.org/business/gsb
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> > From:
>> > kictanet-bounces+kevit=centurionsystemsltd.com
>> <http://centurionsystemsltd.com/> @lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> <http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/>
>> >
>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kevit <kictanet-bounces%2Bkevit>=
>> centurionsystemsltd.com
>> <http://centurionsystemsltd.com/> @lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> <http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/> ]
>> > On Behalf Of Brian Longwe
>> > Sent: 10 July 2008 18:57
>> > To: <mailto:kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com>
>> kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com
>> >
>> > Cc: kictanet-lists
>> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in
>> Kenya
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi Sylvester,
>> >
>> > Thank you so very much for highlighting yet another way in which
>> KICTANET
>> > is beneficial to the communicat at large. through KICTANET we all learn
>> so
>> > many good things that are happening in/around - and can then make our
>> own
>> > decisions as to whether to follow up/engage.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Brian
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Sylvester Kisonzo
>> > < <mailto:skisonzo at securenet.co.ke> skisonzo at securenet.co.ke> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > And where can I read (or get information) about all these new names to
>> me?
>> > KEPSA, KIF, etc? Until recently when I joined this group, I had never
>> heard
>> > of them. So I wonder how all the 'stakeholders' have all along been
>> > involved.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > SK
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From:
>> > kictanet-bounces+skisonzo=gmail.com <http://gmail.com/>
>> @lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/>
>> > [mailto:kictanet-bounces+skisonzo <kictanet-bounces%2Bskisonzo>=
>> gmail.com <http://gmail.com/>
>> @lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/> ]
>> > On Behalf Of Joseph Manthi
>> > Sent: 09 July 2008 20:47
>> > To: <mailto:skisonzo at gmail.com> skisonzo at gmail.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Cc: kictanet-lists
>> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in
>> Kenya
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Waudo:
>> > I would like to pose a simple question:
>> >
>> > Why are these associations needed?
>> >
>> > Joe
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 1:22 PM, waudo siganga <
>> <mailto:emailsignet at mailcan.com> emailsignet at mailcan.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Brian - DFID set up KEPSA in 2001 to unite the private sector voice. The
>> > idea was to bring together EXISTING associations. Someone got early
>> wind
>> > that ICT was one of the identified sectors and decided to register a
>> NEW
>> > association ostensibly as an umbrella body. The real umbrella body was
>> > actually supposed to be KEPSA, under its ICT Board. Period. Why did
>> > someone find a pressing need to form a NEW association???
>> >
>> > Anyway right now that is history and KEPSA ICT Board is on the right
>> > track with all associations on board. We have to struggle to make sure
>> > it stays that way. I do not understand why you seem to be insisting on
>> > someone visiting KIF. What is the value addition? What can one discover
>> > there??? Some say there are personal companies underneath and KIF is
>> the
>> > front but I do not wish to walk in that mud. My interest is KEPSA ICT
>> > Board not being equated with KIF.
>> > Waudo
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 19:31:54 +0300, "Brian Munyao Longwe"
>> > < <mailto:blongwe at gmail.com> blongwe at gmail.com> said:
>> > > Actually if my memory serves me right. KIF is KEPSAs "child" i.e when
>> > > KEPSA decided to have sector clusters KIF was established *by* KEpsa
>> > > to act as the umbrella for ICT private sector.
>> > >
>> > > But I stand to be corrected if I'm getting my facts wrong. But if I
>> am
>> > > right then it *is* important for any critics to understand the inner
>> > > workings by visiting.
>> > >
>> > > I am urging action instead of just talk.
>> > >
>> > > Brian
>> > >
>> > > Sent from my iPhone
>> > >
>> > > On 09 Jul 2008, at 6:39 PM, "waudo siganga" <
>> <mailto:emailsignet at mailcan.com> emailsignet at mailcan.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi Brian - I do not think that the issue is an interest in the
>> > > > internal
>> > > > operations of KIF. We are talking governance in the context of
>> KEPSA/
>> > > > KIF
>> > > > relationship, something also of interest to the consumer community.
>> > > > For
>> > > > your information last year all stakeholders held a meeting in KEPSA
>> > > > and
>> > > > decided to open membership to all interested Private Sector
>> > > > associations. This was after it was observed that the hitherto
>> > > > stranglehold on KEPSA by KIF meant that the sector was not
>> adequately
>> > > > represented. Some people may have felt unhappy or even insecure
>> with
>> > > > this development. The problem is that my friend Kevit, being the
>> KEPSA
>> > > > ICT director uses his position to constantly market KIF as if it is
>> a
>> > > > favoured player in KEPSA (e.g. "I would like to confirm that the
>> > > > KEPSA/KIF relationship is vibrant." - as if implying the other
>> > > > associations are dead) He is often busy promoting "KIF Positions"
>> > > > instead of "KEPSA Positions" including using KIF letterheads at the
>> > > > MSFs. I have misgivings about the current ICT leadership in KEPSA
>> > > > but I
>> > > > am hopeful things will change.
>> > > >
>> > > > Waudo
>> > > >
>> > > > On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:54:41 +0300, "Brian Munyao Longwe"
>> > > > < <mailto:blongwe at gmail.com> blongwe at gmail.com> said:
>> > > >> Hi Alex,
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I would find it hard to imagine how much more Kevit can explain to
>> > > >> you
>> > > >> about KIF.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I would like to suggest that Kevit extend an invitation to you
>> (and
>> > > >> anyone else who might be interested/concerned) to attend the next
>> KIF
>> > > >> meeting as an observer and see/feel the animal yourself.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Brian
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Sent from my iPhone
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On 09 Jul 2008, at 3:45 PM, Alex Gakuru <
>> <mailto:alex.gakuru at yahoo.com> alex.gakuru at yahoo.com>
>> > > >> wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >>> Kevit:
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> I am afraid you have not clarified well enough. I shall not ask
>> you
>> > > >>> further KEPSA questions although on your previous email you told
>> > > >>> Waundo "As the director of KEPSA I welcome CSK and any other
>> > > >>> association to full membership of KEPSA." Apparently this now
>> > > >>> appears to have changed. And I doubt Waundo complained of
>> > > >>> "exclusion" not of his private self, rather of CSK? I could be
>> wrong
>> > > >>> but he could clarify.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> On Jun 23, 2008 it was announced that a "Local Software Industry
>> > > >>> Association established" with, among others, "3.1 Objective,
>> Market
>> > > >>> the local software industry to venture capitalists." (see
>> > > >>> announcement document attached) Was it registered under Societies
>> > > >>> Act
>> > > >>> ( Read Public interest) or as Private (non-or-for-profit)
>> Company?
>> I
>> > > >>> found it strange it was formed 3 days to aour very successful and
>> > > >>> OPEN BarCamp. Is this one also under your umbrella?
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> On the links you sent onlist:
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> <http://www.innovation-africa.net/> www.innovation-africa.net
>> <http://www.innovation-africa.net/>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Domain Name: INNOVATION-AFRICA.NET <
>> http://innovation-africa.net/>
>> > > >>> Registrar: TUCOWS INC.
>> > > >>> Whois Server: whois.tucows.com <http://whois.tucows.com/>
>> > > >>> Referral URL: <http://domainhelp.opensrs.net/>
>> http://domainhelp.opensrs.net <http://domainhelp.opensrs.net/>
>> > > >>> Name Server: ULTRA103.UK2.NET <http://ultra103.uk2.net/>
>> > > >>> Name Server: ULTRA104.UK2.NET <http://ultra104.uk2.net/>
>> > > >>> Status: redemptionPeriod
>> > > >>> Updated Date: 24-jun-2008
>> > > >>> Creation Date: 14-may-2007
>> > > >>> Expiration Date: 14-may-2008
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> I tried <http://www.innovation-africa.co.ke/>
>> www.innovation-africa.co.ke <http://www.innovation-africa.co.ke/> >> was
>> re-directing to >>
>> > <http://www.kif.or.ke/> www.kif.or.ke <http://www.kif.or.ke/>
>> > > >>> ( but today it now says "under construction") I gather Centurion
>> > > >>> Systems offices accommodates KIF, is that correct?
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> What I am trying is to understand is who speaks in the background
>> > > >>> when when "KIF" issues "stakeholders" statements on an issue,how
>> > > >>> representative or public service-oriented, good governance, in
>> > > >>> trying to understand new and old associations' motives.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> With above information, it would clear doubts of public policy
>> > > >>> participation illegitimacy or inappropriate public procurement
>> > > >>> involvement(s). For the sake of our growing transparent ICTs
>> > > >>> abundantly rewarding enterprising citizens.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Alex
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> --- On Wed, 7/9/08, kevit desai
>> > < <mailto:kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com> kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com>
>> > > >>> wrote:
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>> From: kevit desai < <mailto:kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com>
>> kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com>
>> > > >>>> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for
>> e-Commerce
>> > > >>>> in Kenya
>> > > >>>> To: <mailto:alex.gakuru at yahoo.com> alex.gakuru at yahoo.com
>> > > >>>> Cc: "'kictanet-lists'"
>> > < <mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> > > >>>> Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 2:50 AM
>> > > >>>> Hi Alex,
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> I'm pleased to clarify as much as I can.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Kepsa has an open membership of PRIVATE sector industry and
>> > > >>>> market segment
>> > > >>>> associations in almost all economic sectors. Independence :
>> > > >>>> KEPSA decisions
>> > > >>>> are dependent on members wishes, and members are drawn from
>> > > >>>> the private
>> > > >>>> sector. In fact, NGO's are not approached for
>> > > >>>> membership in KEPSA, neither
>> > > >>>> are government bodies including parastatals. KIF follows
>> > > >>>> the same approach
>> > > >>>> for membership and decision-making. No NGO's and
>> > > >>>> government agencies are
>> > > >>>> member ofn KIF. However, KEPSA and KIF consult on a REGULAR
>> > > >>>> BASIS with all
>> > > >>>> those stakeholders. Having said that, KEPSA and KIF have no
>> > > >>>> obligation to
>> > > >>>> offer service to non members.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Hopefully this helps to clarify. Do get in touch with Sam
>> > > >>>> Mwaura of KEPSA or
>> > > >>>> Marcel Werner of KIF.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Kevit
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> > > >>>> From: Alex Gakuru [mailto: <mailto:alex.gakuru at yahoo.com>
>> alex.gakuru at yahoo.com]
>> > > >>>> Sent: 09 July 2008 04:45
>> > > >>>> To: kevit desai
>> > > >>>> Cc: kictanet-lists
>> > > >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for
>> > > >>>> e-Commerce in Kenya
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Kevit,
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> How does KEPSA and KIF governance relate ensuring decisions
>> > > >>>> independence?
>> > > >>>> The political issue here may be monopolization to the
>> > > >>>> extent of clouding out
>> > > >>>> other actors thereby generating conflict. The Motive Theory
>> > > >>>> steps in.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> We investigate the effects of competition on subjects'
>> > > >>>> attitude towards
>> > > >>>> cooperation. Three groups face three economic environments
>> > > >>>> with different
>> > > >>>> degrees of competition, from a benchmark case with no
>> > > >>>> competition at all up
>> > > >>>> to a perfect competition case. Subjects contribute
>> > > >>>> generously to a public
>> > > >>>> project in the absence of competition, whereas they
>> > > >>>> contribute very little
>> > > >>>> in the presence of a maximum degree of competition. A
>> > > >>>> diminishing attitude
>> > > >>>> towards cooperation clearly emerges as the degree of
>> > > >>>> competition increases.
>> > > >>>> Therefore, if cooperation does enhance well-being, the
>> > > >>>> maximum degree of
>> > > >>>> competition may be not efficient.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>
>> >
>> <
>> <
>> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B6W5H-4N0GDV1-1/2/fb32f4c6e9ba
>> >
>>
>> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B6W5H-4N0GDV1-1/2/fb32f4c6e9ba
>> > > >>>> 6a6f51d7da9d40d806eb>
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> react.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> --- On Tue, 7/8/08, kevit desai
>> > > >>>> < <mailto:kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com>
>> kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com> wrote:
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>> From: kevit desai
>> > > >>>> < <mailto:kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com>
>> kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com>
>> > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for
>> > > >>>> e-Commerce in Kenya
>> > > >>>>> To: <mailto:alex.gakuru at yahoo.com> alex.gakuru at yahoo.com
>> > > >>>>> Cc: <mailto:secretariat at kif.or.ke> secretariat at kif.or.ke,
>> "'KICTAnet ICT
>> > > >>>> Policy Discussions'"
>> > > >>>> < <mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> > > >>>>> Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 1:14 PM
>> > > >>>>> Hi Waudo,
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> As the director of KEPSA I welcome CSK and any other
>> > > >>>>> association to full
>> > > >>>>> membership of KEPSA. We look forward to a meaningful
>> > > >>>>> partnership.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Kevit Desai
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> _____
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> From: waudo siganga
>> > [mailto: <mailto:emailsignet at mailcan.com> emailsignet at mailcan.com]
>> > > >>>>> Sent: 08 July 2008 13:55
>> > > >>>>> To: Kevit Desai
>> > > >>>>> Cc: <mailto:secretariat at kif.or.ke> secretariat at kif.or.ke;
>> 'KICTAnet ICT Policy
>> > > >>>>> Discussions'
>> > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for
>> > > >>>>> e-Commerce in Kenya
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Hello Kevit - I think one needs to be careful when
>> > > >>>> handling
>> > > >>>>> KEPSA and KIF at
>> > > >>>>> the same time. Do not use your foothold in KEPSA to
>> > > >>>> promote
>> > > >>>>> KIF at the
>> > > >>>>> expense of other associations. The explanation is very
>> > > >>>>> simple: KEPSA was
>> > > >>>>> formed as a focal point, a bringing together
>> > > >>>> characterised
>> > > >>>>> by INCLUSIVITY.
>> > > >>>>> KIF on the other hand is an independent association
>> > > >>>> and the
>> > > >>>>> nature of such
>> > > >>>>> an association is EXCLUSIVITY (through membership
>> > > >>>>> mechanism). I would like
>> > > >>>>> to see the promotion of more associations on the KEPSA
>> > > >>>> ICT
>> > > >>>>> Board, not just
>> > > >>>>> KIF. Please give us space.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Waudo
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:07:07 +0300, "Kevit
>> > > >>>> Desai"
>> > > >>>>> < <mailto:kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com>
>> kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com> said:
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Hi Alex,
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> KEPSA ( <mailto:info at kepsa.or.ke> info at kepsa.or.ke): private
>> sector policy body
>> > > >>>> with
>> > > >>>>> its own governance
>> > > >>>>> structure. Elected as a director in private capacity
>> > > >>>> and as
>> > > >>>>> KIF vice
>> > > >>>>> chairman.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> KIF ( <mailto:secretariat at kif.or.ke> secretariat at kif.or.ke):
>> membership-based industry
>> > > >>>>> association, member
>> > > >>>>> of KEPSA's ICT section. Elected as vice-chairman.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Centurion Systems Ltd: ( <http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/>
>> www.centurionsystemsltd.com <http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/> )
>> > > >>>>> private company,
>> > > >>>>> director, member of KIF.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Director of Engineering - Centurion Systems Ltd
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Chairperson IEEE - Kenya Section
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Chairperson - Engineering Students Exhibition
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Governor - KEPSA
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Director - KEPSA
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Director - Innovation Africa
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Director- Kenya ICT Board
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Vice Chairman - Kenya ICT Federation
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> BOA - AIESEC
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Member - National Strategy for University Education
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Co-ordinator - Growing Sustainable Business(GSB)-UNDP
>> > > >>>> Kenya
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> General Co-Chair - Africon 2009
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> 2nd Fl, New Rehema Hse,
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>>
>> Raphta Rd
>>
>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> , Westlands - Nairobi
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> P.O. BOX 66031 - 00800 Nrb.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Tel:+254 20 4440102/3 Fax: +254 20 4440104 CDMA: 020
>> > > >>>>> 2049750
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Mobile : +254 722 517067
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> <http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/>
>> http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com <http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com/>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> <http://www.ieee.org/> http://www.ieee.org
>> <http://www.ieee.org/>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> <http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke/>
>> http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke
>> <http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke/>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> <http://www.innovation-africa.net/>
>> http://www.innovation-africa.net <http://www.innovation-africa.net/>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> <http://www.kepsa.or.ke/> http://www.kepsa.or.ke
>> <http://www.kepsa.or.ke/>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> <http://www.powerup.co.ke/> http://www.powerup.co.ke
>> <http://www.powerup.co.ke/>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> <http://www.aiesec.org/> http://www.aiesec.org
>> <http://www.aiesec.org/>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> <http://www.africon2007.co.za/> http://www.africon2007.co.za
>> <http://www.africon2007.co.za/>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> <http://www.kif.or.ke/> http://www.kif.or.ke
>> <http://www.kif.or.ke/>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> htpp:// <http://www.ict.go.ke/> www.ict.go.ke
>> <http://www.ict.go.ke/>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> <http://www.globalcompact.org/> http://www.globalcompact.org
>> <http://www.globalcompact.org/>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> <http://www.undp.org/business/gsb>
>> http://www.undp.org/business/gsb
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> > > >>>>> From: waudo siganga
>> > [mailto: <mailto:emailsignet at mailcan.com> emailsignet at mailcan.com]
>> > > >>>>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:40 PM
>> > > >>>>> To: kevit desai
>> > > >>>>> Cc: <mailto:secretariat at kif.or.ke> secretariat at kif.or.ke;
>> 'KICTAnet ICT Policy
>> > > >>>>> Discussions'
>> > > >>>>> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for
>> > > >>>>> e-Commerce in Kenya
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Hello Kevit - Since you sent this message to KICTANET
>> > > >>>> I can
>> > > >>>>> answer it on
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> the same forum. I think the picture being painted
>> > > >>>> about a
>> > > >>>>> rosy situation
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> including "collaboration" is simply not
>> > > >>>> true. The
>> > > >>>>> reason to be frank is
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> that there a few in your KIF who do not want any other
>> > > >>>>> association to
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> have a voice in KEPSA or to interact with Government.
>> > > >>>> Could
>> > > >>>>> you as a
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> KEPSA director ensure that all interested associations
>> > > >>>>> including the
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> major ones not in KIF are allowed room to contribute
>> > > >>>> in
>> > > >>>>> KEPSA? It can be
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> sad if you mis-use your position in KEPSA only to
>> > > >>>> promote
>> > > >>>>> KIF and crack
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> down on those you feel are in the way.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Waudo
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:02:31 +0300, "kevit
>> > > >>>> desai"
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> < <mailto:kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com>
>> kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com> said:
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> Hi Walu,
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> Associations are welcome to be members of KEPSA.
>> > > >>>> I
>> > > >>>>> would like to confirm
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> that the KEPSA/KIF relationship is vibrant. We
>> > > >>>> would
>> > > >>>>> like to do a lot
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> more
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> and welcome more support.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> We appreciate Waudo's contributions at our
>> > > >>>> last
>> > > >>>>> ministerial stakeholder
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> forum.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> Collaboration is the way forward.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> Kevit Desai
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> KEPSA Director
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> From:
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>
>> > kictanet-bounces+kevit=centurionsystemsltd.com
>> <http://centurionsystemsltd.com/> @lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> <http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>
>> >
>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kevit <kictanet-bounces%2Bkevit>=
>> centurionsystemsltd.com
>> <http://centurionsystemsltd.com/> @lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> <http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/>
>> > > >>>> ]
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> On Behalf Of waudo siganga
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> Sent: 07 July 2008 19:02
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> To: <mailto:kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com>
>> kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> Cc: <mailto:secretariat at kif.or.ke> secretariat at kif.or.ke;
>> KICTAnet ICT Policy
>> > > >>>>> Discussions
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and
>> > > >>>> Regulation for
>> > > >>>>> e-Commerce in
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> Kenya
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> Hi Walu - I am catching you loud and clear on
>> > > >>>> GPRS
>> > > >>>>> somewhere in the
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> bush. I did bring out the issue of regulating the
>> > > >>>> IT
>> > > >>>>> (or ICT) Profession
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> on this list a few months ago. But the rather
>> > > >>>>> unenthusiastic response I
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> got gave me the sense that possibly this was not
>> > > >>>> the
>> > > >>>>> correct list since
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> many of the subscribers appear just interested in
>> > > >>>> ICT
>> > > >>>>> Policy rather than
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> being actual IT Experts. Within the next two
>> > > >>>> weeks
>> > > >>>>> there will be another
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> list for professionals and you will be informed
>> > > >>>> (you
>> > > >>>>> have the
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> qualifications, don't you??). We are pushing
>> > > >>>> for a
>> > > >>>>> registration board
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> like thise done last yeaer for nutritionists and
>> > > >>>>> Procurement
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> Practitioners. There is a lot of work going on
>> > > >>>>> unheralded. All we need
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> is a champion or chanpions in the right place.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> Waudo
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 02:45:53 -0700 (PDT),
>> > > >>>> "John
>> > > >>>>> Walubengo"
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> < <mailto:jwalu at yahoo.com> jwalu at yahoo.com> said:
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> Marcel,
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> It looks like quite some work has been
>> > > >>>> ongoing in
>> > > >>>>> this
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> area...unfortunately it seems as if it was
>> > > >>>>> restricted within KIF only?
>> > > >>>>> I
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> wonder if Computer Society of Kenya (CSK,
>> > > >>>> Waudo r
>> > > >>>>> u there?) or
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> Information Security Audit & Control
>> > > >>>>> (ISACA-Kenya Chapter) just to
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> mention some of the big IT Associations in
>> > > >>>> Kenya
>> > > >>>>> were involved. I beg to
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> be enlightened.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> This brings in an old question - who really
>> > > >>>>> represents the IT Profession
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> in Kenya ? Shem has been on record as saying
>> > > >>>> that
>> > > >>>>> IT is the only
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> discipline where we seem to lack bodies with
>> > > >>>> the
>> > > >>>>> same authority as LSK
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> (Law Society of Kenya ), IEK (Institute of
>> > > >>>>> Engineers of Kenya ), Medical
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> Practictioners Board amongst others to
>> > > >>>> regulate
>> > > >>>>> the IT Profession.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> And by the way, KICTAnet does not fit the
>> > > >>>> bill
>> > > >>>>> either (and has a
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> different objective anyway). But time has
>> > > >>>> come
>> > > >>>>> to really start thinking
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> of regulating the IT profession, even as we
>> > > >>>>> struggle to regulate the
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> industry...Ideally, CSK should take the lead
>> > > >>>> on
>> > > >>>>> this, but they have been
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> awfully quite except when they award prizes
>> > > >>>> at
>> > > >>>>> the end of the year
>> > > >>>>> (Waudo
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> I know u will kill me offline but I just had
>> > > >>>> to
>> > > >>>>> say it!).
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> KEPSA? very reputable and effective
>> > > >>>> particularly
>> > > >>>>> in the Manufacturing
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> sector but on IT? am not sure they have been
>> > > >>>> as
>> > > >>>>> effective - particularly
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> because the link between KEPSA/KIF and the
>> > > >>>> IT
>> > > >>>>> industry has been 'cloudy'
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> for lack of a better word...Can for example
>> > > >>>> CSK
>> > > >>>>> or ISACA be part of
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> KEPSA without being part of KIF? I again
>> > > >>>> need to
>> > > >>>>> be enlightened.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> O.K. I agree I did digress, but just
>> > > >>>> thinking
>> > > >>>>> loudly and saying that as
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> we think of regulating electronic
>> > > >>>> transactions,
>> > > >>>>> we also need to
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> simultaneously start regulating the IT
>> > > >>>>> profession..but maybe I am wrong.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> Particularly because regulation can and
>> > > >>>> often
>> > > >>>>> leads to suppression...
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> walu.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> --- On Sun, 7/6/08, Marcel Werner
>> > > >>>>> < <mailto:marcelcwerner at gmail.com> marcelcwerner at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> From: Marcel Werner
>> > > >>>>> < <mailto:marcelcwerner at gmail.com> marcelcwerner at gmail.com>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> Subject: [kictanet] Legislation and
>> > > >>>>> Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> To: <mailto:jwalu at yahoo.com> jwalu at yahoo.com
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> Cc: <mailto:secretariat at kif.or.ke> secretariat at kif.or.ke,
>> > > >>>> "KICTAnet
>> > > >>>>> ICT Policy Discussions"
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> < <mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 6:43 PM
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> Legislation and Regulation for
>> > > >>>> e-Commerce in
>> > > >>>>> Kenya
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> Kenya ICT Federation (KIF) - Briefing
>> > > >>>> Note #
>> > > >>>>> 3 - Report -
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> Public Panel 19
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> June 2008
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> *Electronic commerce (e-commerce) will
>> > > >>>> add
>> > > >>>>> at least one
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> percent point growth
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> to Kenya 's overall economic growth
>> > > >>>>> within five years.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> This is contingent
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> upon the adoption of legislation that
>> > > >>>>> supports electronic
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> transactions. * Kenya ,
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> as an emerging economy and regional
>> > > >>>> leader,
>> > > >>>>> lags behind in
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> having a legal
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> framework for e-commerce in place. The
>> > > >>>>> current situation is
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> an anachronism
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> hampering national development, placing
>> > > >>>>> provincial centres
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> at a
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> disadvantage, and harming global
>> > > >>>>> competitiveness. Both
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> external and internal
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> trade require the new framework.The
>> > > >>>> Kenyan
>> > > >>>>> private sector
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> strongly supports
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> e-commerce legislation, as well as
>> > > >>>>> legislation of the
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> Information and
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> Communication Technology sector that
>> > > >>>>> guarantees an open
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> market and promotes
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> innovation.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> Why e-commerce law? Today, legislation
>> > > >>>>> supporting
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> electronic transactions
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> represents the single most powerful
>> > > >>>>> innovation opportunity
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> in the legal
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> framework of the ICT sector.
>> > > >>>> Legislation is
>> > > >>>>> needed to:
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> -Legalize e-commerce transactions by
>> > > >>>>> recognizing an
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> electronic signature
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> -Manage and control e-commerce r
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