[kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya

Gakuru , Alex alexgakuru.lists at gmail.com
Fri Jul 11 17:24:11 EAT 2008


Kevit;

KIF recently received Kshs 3.5 grant million from a certain business fund.
I am curious centurion system hosts them under their CSR?

Public forum to explain all dealings openly and transparently?.

regards,

On 7/11/08, kevit desai <kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com> wrote:
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> Dear Sylvester,
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>
>
> Thank you for all the interest shown. Some of you would like further
> information on the following activities:
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>
>
>  Historical & present- Impact
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>
>
> -          Ministerial stakeholder forum (regular sectoral discussions
> private sector – Government, with KEPSA)
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> -          Power up with ICT nation – wide awareness campaigns (2004, 2005,
> 2006)
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> -          E-Government – municipal councils
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> -          Open source software community
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> -          E-commerce legislation
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> -          Engineering student exhibition – 1997 – 2008
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> -          ICT Bills (2006 – 2008)
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> -          Creation of INFOCOM Ministry (2003)
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> -          National ICT Policy formulation (2004 – 2006)
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> -          Tax reforms 2006, 2007, 2008
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> -          National innovation system
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> -          University Education Reforms Task Force (2006 – current)
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> -          PSDS
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> -          Africon 2009
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> -          Public panels with Kenya ICT Board
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> Associations:
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> -          KEPSA
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> -          KIF
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> -          IEEE
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> -          Kenya software industry association
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> Please confirm your interest in a meeting. This will allow me to gauge level
> of participation so as to plan the venue and also mobilize the relevant
> leaders. If you are not on board, it would be great to have you on board. We
> need your support
>
>
>
> Kevit Desai
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> Director of Engineering - Centurion Systems
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> Chairperson IEEE - Kenya Section
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> Chairman – Engineering students exhibition
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> Governor - KEPSA
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> Director - KEPSA
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> Director - Innovation Africa
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> Director- Kenya ICT Board
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> Vice Chairman - Kenya ICT Federation
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> BOA - AIESEC
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> Member - National Strategy for University Education
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> Co-ordinator - Growing Sustainable Business(GSB)-UNDP Kenya
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> General Co-Chair - Africon 2009
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> 2nd Fl, New Rehema Hse, Raphta Rd, Westlands -Nairobi
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> P.O. BOX 66031 - 00800 Nrb.
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> Tel:+254 20 4440102/3 Fax: +254 20 4440104 CDMA: 020 2049750
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> Mobile: +254 722 517067
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> http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com
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> http://www.ieee.org
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> http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke
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> http://www.innovation-africa.net
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> http://www.kepsa.or.ke
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> http://www.powerup.co.ke
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> http://www.aiesec.org
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> http://www.africon2007.co.za
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> http://www.kif.or.ke
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> www.ict.go.ke
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> http://www.globalcompact.org
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> http://www.undp.org/business/gsb
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>  ________________________________
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> From:
> kictanet-bounces+kevit=centurionsystemsltd.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kevit=centurionsystemsltd.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke]
> On Behalf Of Brian Longwe
>  Sent: 10 July 2008 18:57
>  To: kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com
>
>  Cc: kictanet-lists
>  Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya
>
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>
>
> Hi Sylvester,
>
>  Thank you so very much for highlighting yet another way in which KICTANET
> is beneficial to the communicat at large. through KICTANET we all learn so
> many good things that are happening in/around - and can then make our own
> decisions as to whether to follow up/engage.
>
>  Regards,
>
>  Brian
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Sylvester Kisonzo
> <skisonzo at securenet.co.ke> wrote:
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> And where can I read (or get information) about all these new names to me?
> KEPSA, KIF, etc?  Until recently when I joined this group, I had never heard
> of them. So I wonder how all the 'stakeholders' have all along been
> involved.
>
>
>
> SK
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>
> From:
> kictanet-bounces+skisonzo=gmail.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+skisonzo=gmail.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke]
> On Behalf Of Joseph Manthi
>  Sent: 09 July 2008 20:47
>  To: skisonzo at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>  Cc: kictanet-lists
>  Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya
>
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> Waudo:
>  I would like to pose a simple question:
>
>  Why are these associations needed?
>
>  Joe
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 1:22 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet at mailcan.com>
> wrote:
>
> Brian - DFID set up KEPSA in 2001 to unite the private sector voice. The
>  idea was to bring together EXISTING associations. Someone got early wind
>  that ICT was one of the identified sectors and decided to register a NEW
>  association ostensibly as an umbrella body. The real umbrella body was
>  actually supposed to be KEPSA, under its ICT Board. Period. Why did
>  someone find a pressing need to form a NEW association???
>
>  Anyway right now that is history and KEPSA ICT Board is on the right
>  track with all associations on board. We have to struggle to make sure
>  it stays that way. I do not understand why you seem to be insisting on
>  someone visiting KIF. What is the value addition? What can one discover
>  there??? Some say there are personal companies underneath and KIF is the
>  front but I do not wish to walk in that mud. My interest is KEPSA ICT
>  Board not being equated with KIF.
>  Waudo
>
>
>
>  On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 19:31:54 +0300, "Brian Munyao Longwe"
>  <blongwe at gmail.com> said:
>  > Actually if my memory serves me right. KIF is KEPSAs "child" i.e when
>  > KEPSA decided to have sector clusters KIF was established *by* KEpsa
>  > to act as the umbrella for ICT private sector.
>  >
>  > But I stand to be corrected if I'm getting my facts wrong. But if I am
>  > right then it *is* important for any critics to understand the inner
>  > workings by visiting.
>  >
>  > I am urging action instead of just talk.
>  >
>  > Brian
>  >
>  > Sent from my iPhone
>  >
>  > On 09 Jul 2008, at 6:39 PM, "waudo siganga" <emailsignet at mailcan.com>
>  > wrote:
>  >
>  > > Hi Brian - I do not think that the issue is an interest in the
>  > > internal
>  > > operations of KIF. We are talking governance in the context of KEPSA/
>  > > KIF
>  > > relationship, something also of interest to the consumer community.
>  > > For
>  > > your information last year all stakeholders held a meeting in KEPSA
>  > > and
>  > > decided to open membership to all interested Private Sector
>  > > associations. This was after it was observed that the hitherto
>  > > stranglehold on KEPSA by KIF meant that the sector was not adequately
>  > > represented. Some people may have felt unhappy or even insecure with
>  > > this development. The problem is that my friend Kevit, being the KEPSA
>  > > ICT director uses his position to constantly market KIF as if it is a
>  > > favoured player in KEPSA (e.g. "I would like to confirm that the
>  > > KEPSA/KIF relationship is vibrant." - as if implying the other
>  > > associations are dead) He is often busy promoting "KIF Positions"
>  > > instead of "KEPSA Positions" including using KIF letterheads at the
>  > > MSFs. I have misgivings about the current ICT leadership in KEPSA
>  > > but I
>  > > am hopeful things will change.
>  > >
>  > > Waudo
>  > >
>  > > On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:54:41 +0300, "Brian Munyao Longwe"
>  > > <blongwe at gmail.com> said:
>  > >> Hi Alex,
>  > >>
>  > >> I would find it hard to imagine how much more Kevit can explain to
>  > >> you
>  > >> about KIF.
>  > >>
>  > >> I would like to suggest that Kevit extend an invitation to you (and
>  > >> anyone else who might be interested/concerned) to attend the next KIF
>  > >> meeting as an observer and see/feel the animal yourself.
>  > >>
>  > >> Brian
>  > >>
>  > >> Sent from my iPhone
>  > >>
>  > >> On 09 Jul 2008, at 3:45 PM, Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru at yahoo.com>
>  > >> wrote:
>  > >>
>  > >>> Kevit:
>  > >>>
>  > >>> I am afraid you have not clarified well enough. I shall not ask you
>  > >>> further KEPSA questions although on your previous email you told
>  > >>> Waundo "As the director of KEPSA  I welcome CSK and any other
>  > >>> association to full membership of KEPSA." Apparently this now
>  > >>> appears to have changed. And I doubt Waundo complained of
>  > >>> "exclusion" not of his private self, rather of CSK? I could be wrong
>  > >>> but he could clarify.
>  > >>>
>  > >>> On Jun 23, 2008 it was announced that a "Local Software Industry
>  > >>> Association established" with, among others, "3.1 Objective, Market
>  > >>> the local software industry to venture capitalists." (see
>  > >>> announcement document attached) Was it registered under Societies
>  > >>> Act
>  > >>> ( Read Public interest) or as Private (non-or-for-profit) Company? I
>  > >>> found it strange it was formed 3 days to aour very successful and
>  > >>> OPEN BarCamp. Is this one also under your umbrella?
>  > >>>
>  > >>> On the links you sent onlist:
>  > >>>
>  > >>> www.innovation-africa.net
>  > >>>
>  > >>> Domain Name: INNOVATION-AFRICA.NET
>  > >>>  Registrar: TUCOWS INC.
>  > >>>  Whois Server: whois.tucows.com
>  > >>>  Referral URL: http://domainhelp.opensrs.net
>  > >>>  Name Server: ULTRA103.UK2.NET
>  > >>>  Name Server: ULTRA104.UK2.NET
>  > >>>  Status: redemptionPeriod
>  > >>>  Updated Date: 24-jun-2008
>  > >>>  Creation Date: 14-may-2007
>  > >>>  Expiration Date: 14-may-2008
>  > >>>
>  > >>> I tried www.innovation-africa.co.ke >> was re-directing to >>
> www.kif.or.ke
>  > >>> ( but today it now says "under construction") I gather Centurion
>  > >>> Systems offices accommodates KIF, is that correct?
>  > >>>
>  > >>> What I am trying is to understand is who speaks in the background
>  > >>> when when "KIF" issues "stakeholders" statements on an issue,how
>  > >>> representative or public service-oriented, good governance, in
>  > >>> trying to understand new and old associations' motives.
>  > >>>
>  > >>> With above information, it would clear doubts of public policy
>  > >>> participation illegitimacy or inappropriate public procurement
>  > >>> involvement(s). For the sake of our growing transparent ICTs
>  > >>> abundantly rewarding enterprising citizens.
>  > >>>
>  > >>>
>  > >>> Alex
>  > >>>
>  > >>>
>  > >>> --- On Wed, 7/9/08, kevit desai
> <kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com>
>  > >>> wrote:
>  > >>>
>  > >>>> From: kevit desai <kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com>
>  > >>>> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce
>  > >>>> in Kenya
>  > >>>> To: alex.gakuru at yahoo.com
>  > >>>> Cc: "'kictanet-lists'"
> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>  > >>>> Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 2:50 AM
>  > >>>> Hi Alex,
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>> I'm pleased to clarify as much as I can.
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>> Kepsa has an open membership of PRIVATE sector industry and
>  > >>>> market segment
>  > >>>> associations in almost all economic sectors. Independence:
>  > >>>> KEPSA decisions
>  > >>>> are dependent on members wishes, and members are drawn from
>  > >>>> the private
>  > >>>> sector. In fact, NGO's are not approached for
>  > >>>> membership in KEPSA, neither
>  > >>>> are government bodies including parastatals. KIF follows
>  > >>>> the same approach
>  > >>>> for membership and decision-making. No NGO's and
>  > >>>> government agencies are
>  > >>>> member ofn KIF. However, KEPSA and KIF consult on a REGULAR
>  > >>>> BASIS with all
>  > >>>> those stakeholders. Having said that, KEPSA and KIF have no
>  > >>>> obligation to
>  > >>>> offer service to non members.
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>> Hopefully this helps to clarify. Do get in touch with Sam
>  > >>>> Mwaura of KEPSA or
>  > >>>> Marcel Werner of KIF.
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>> Kevit
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>> -----Original Message-----
>  > >>>> From: Alex Gakuru [mailto:alex.gakuru at yahoo.com]
>  > >>>> Sent: 09 July 2008 04:45
>  > >>>> To: kevit desai
>  > >>>> Cc: kictanet-lists
>  > >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for
>  > >>>> e-Commerce in Kenya
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>> Kevit,
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>> How does KEPSA and KIF governance relate ensuring decisions
>  > >>>> independence?
>  > >>>> The political issue here may be monopolization to the
>  > >>>> extent of clouding out
>  > >>>> other actors thereby generating conflict. The Motive Theory
>  > >>>> steps in.
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>> We investigate the effects of competition on subjects'
>  > >>>> attitude towards
>  > >>>> cooperation. Three groups face three economic environments
>  > >>>> with different
>  > >>>> degrees of competition, from a benchmark case with no
>  > >>>> competition at all up
>  > >>>> to a perfect competition case. Subjects contribute
>  > >>>> generously to a public
>  > >>>> project in the absence of competition, whereas they
>  > >>>> contribute very little
>  > >>>> in the presence of a maximum degree of competition. A
>  > >>>> diminishing attitude
>  > >>>> towards cooperation clearly emerges as the degree of
>  > >>>> competition increases.
>  > >>>> Therefore, if cooperation does enhance well-being, the
>  > >>>> maximum degree of
>  > >>>> competition may be not efficient.
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>>
> <http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B6W5H-4N0GDV1-1/2/fb32f4c6e9ba
>  > >>>> 6a6f51d7da9d40d806eb>
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>> react.
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>> --- On Tue, 7/8/08, kevit desai
>  > >>>> <kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com> wrote:
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>>> From: kevit desai
>  > >>>> <kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com>
>  > >>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for
>  > >>>> e-Commerce in Kenya
>  > >>>>> To: alex.gakuru at yahoo.com
>  > >>>>> Cc: secretariat at kif.or.ke, "'KICTAnet ICT
>  > >>>> Policy Discussions'"
>  > >>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>  > >>>>> Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 1:14 PM
>  > >>>>> Hi Waudo,
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> As the director of KEPSA  I welcome CSK and any other
>  > >>>>> association to full
>  > >>>>> membership of KEPSA. We look forward to a meaningful
>  > >>>>> partnership.
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> Kevit Desai
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> _____
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> From: waudo siganga
> [mailto:emailsignet at mailcan.com]
>  > >>>>> Sent: 08 July 2008 13:55
>  > >>>>> To: Kevit Desai
>  > >>>>> Cc: secretariat at kif.or.ke; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy
>  > >>>>> Discussions'
>  > >>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for
>  > >>>>> e-Commerce in Kenya
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> Hello Kevit - I think one needs to be careful when
>  > >>>> handling
>  > >>>>> KEPSA and KIF at
>  > >>>>> the same time. Do not use your foothold in KEPSA to
>  > >>>> promote
>  > >>>>> KIF at the
>  > >>>>> expense of other associations. The explanation is very
>  > >>>>> simple: KEPSA was
>  > >>>>> formed as a focal point, a bringing together
>  > >>>> characterised
>  > >>>>> by INCLUSIVITY.
>  > >>>>> KIF on the other hand is an independent association
>  > >>>> and the
>  > >>>>> nature of such
>  > >>>>> an association is EXCLUSIVITY (through membership
>  > >>>>> mechanism). I would like
>  > >>>>> to see the promotion of more associations on the KEPSA
>  > >>>> ICT
>  > >>>>> Board, not just
>  > >>>>> KIF. Please give us space.
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> Waudo
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:07:07 +0300, "Kevit
>  > >>>> Desai"
>  > >>>>> <kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com> said:
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> Hi Alex,
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> KEPSA (info at kepsa.or.ke): private sector policy body
>  > >>>> with
>  > >>>>> its own governance
>  > >>>>> structure. Elected as a director in private capacity
>  > >>>> and as
>  > >>>>> KIF vice
>  > >>>>> chairman.
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> KIF (secretariat at kif.or.ke): membership-based industry
>  > >>>>> association, member
>  > >>>>> of KEPSA's ICT section. Elected as vice-chairman.
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> Centurion Systems Ltd: (www.centurionsystemsltd.com)
>  > >>>>> private company,
>  > >>>>> director, member of KIF.
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> Director of Engineering - Centurion Systems Ltd
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> Chairperson IEEE - Kenya Section
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> Chairperson - Engineering Students Exhibition
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> Governor - KEPSA
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> Director - KEPSA
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> Director - Innovation Africa
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> Director- Kenya ICT Board
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> Vice Chairman - Kenya ICT Federation
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> BOA - AIESEC
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> Member - National Strategy for University Education
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> Co-ordinator - Growing Sustainable Business(GSB)-UNDP
>  > >>>> Kenya
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> General Co-Chair - Africon 2009
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> 2nd Fl, New Rehema Hse,
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> Raphta Rd
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> , Westlands -Nairobi
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> P.O. BOX 66031 - 00800 Nrb.
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> Tel:+254 20 4440102/3 Fax: +254 20 4440104 CDMA: 020
>  > >>>>> 2049750
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> Mobile: +254 722 517067
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> http://www.ieee.org
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> http://www.innovation-africa.net
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> http://www.kepsa.or.ke
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> http://www.powerup.co.ke
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> http://www.aiesec.org
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> http://www.africon2007.co.za
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> http://www.kif.or.ke
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> htpp://www.ict.go.ke
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> http://www.globalcompact.org
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> http://www.undp.org/business/gsb
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>  > >>>>> From: waudo siganga
> [mailto:emailsignet at mailcan.com]
>  > >>>>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:40 PM
>  > >>>>> To: kevit desai
>  > >>>>> Cc: secretariat at kif.or.ke; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy
>  > >>>>> Discussions'
>  > >>>>> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for
>  > >>>>> e-Commerce in Kenya
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> Hello Kevit - Since you sent this message to KICTANET
>  > >>>> I can
>  > >>>>> answer it on
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> the same forum. I think the picture being painted
>  > >>>> about a
>  > >>>>> rosy situation
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> including "collaboration" is simply not
>  > >>>> true. The
>  > >>>>> reason to  be frank is
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> that there a few in your KIF who do not want any other
>  > >>>>> association to
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> have a voice in KEPSA or to interact with Government.
>  > >>>> Could
>  > >>>>> you as a
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> KEPSA director ensure that all interested associations
>  > >>>>> including the
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> major ones not in KIF are allowed room to contribute
>  > >>>> in
>  > >>>>> KEPSA? It can be
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> sad if you mis-use your position in KEPSA only to
>  > >>>> promote
>  > >>>>> KIF and crack
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> down on those you feel are in the way.
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> Waudo
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:02:31 +0300, "kevit
>  > >>>> desai"
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> <kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com> said:
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>> Hi Walu,
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>> Associations are welcome to be members of KEPSA.
>  > >>>> I
>  > >>>>> would like to confirm
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>> that the KEPSA/KIF relationship is vibrant.  We
>  > >>>> would
>  > >>>>> like to do a lot
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>> more
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>> and welcome more support.
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>> We appreciate Waudo's contributions at our
>  > >>>> last
>  > >>>>> ministerial stakeholder
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>> forum.
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>> Collaboration is the way forward.
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>> Kevit Desai
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>> KEPSA Director
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>> From:
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>
> kictanet-bounces+kevit=centurionsystemsltd.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>
> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kevit=centurionsystemsltd.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>  > >>>> ]
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>> On Behalf Of waudo siganga
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>> Sent: 07 July 2008 19:02
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>> To: kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>> Cc: secretariat at kif.or.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy
>  > >>>>> Discussions
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and
>  > >>>> Regulation for
>  > >>>>> e-Commerce in
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>> Kenya
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>> Hi Walu - I am catching you loud and clear on
>  > >>>> GPRS
>  > >>>>> somewhere in the
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>> bush. I did bring out the issue of regulating the
>  > >>>> IT
>  > >>>>> (or ICT) Profession
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>> on this list a few months ago. But the rather
>  > >>>>> unenthusiastic response I
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>> got gave me the sense that possibly this was not
>  > >>>> the
>  > >>>>> correct list since
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>> many of the subscribers appear just interested in
>  > >>>> ICT
>  > >>>>> Policy rather than
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>> being actual IT Experts. Within the next two
>  > >>>> weeks
>  > >>>>> there will be another
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>> list for professionals and you will be informed
>  > >>>> (you
>  > >>>>> have the
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>> qualifications, don't you??). We are pushing
>  > >>>> for a
>  > >>>>> registration board
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>> like thise done last yeaer for  nutritionists and
>  > >>>>> Procurement
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>> Practitioners. There is a lot of work going on
>  > >>>>> unheralded. All we need
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>> is a champion or chanpions in the right place.
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>> Waudo
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 02:45:53 -0700 (PDT),
>  > >>>> "John
>  > >>>>> Walubengo"
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>> <jwalu at yahoo.com> said:
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> Marcel,
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> It looks like quite some work has been
>  > >>>> ongoing in
>  > >>>>> this
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> area...unfortunately it seems as if it was
>  > >>>>> restricted within KIF only?
>  > >>>>> I
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> wonder if Computer Society of Kenya (CSK,
>  > >>>> Waudo r
>  > >>>>> u there?) or
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> Information Security Audit & Control
>  > >>>>> (ISACA-Kenya Chapter) just to
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> mention some of the big IT Associations in
>  > >>>> Kenya
>  > >>>>> were involved. I beg to
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> be enlightened.
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> This brings in an old question - who really
>  > >>>>> represents the IT Profession
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> in Kenya?  Shem has been on record as saying
>  > >>>> that
>  > >>>>> IT is the only
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> discipline where we seem to lack bodies with
>  > >>>> the
>  > >>>>> same authority as LSK
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> (Law Society of Kenya), IEK (Institute of
>  > >>>>> Engineers of Kenya), Medical
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> Practictioners Board amongst others to
>  > >>>> regulate
>  > >>>>> the IT Profession.
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> And by the way, KICTAnet does not fit the
>  > >>>> bill
>  > >>>>> either  (and has a
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> different objective anyway).  But time has
>  > >>>> come
>  > >>>>> to really start thinking
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> of regulating the IT profession, even as we
>  > >>>>> struggle to regulate the
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> industry...Ideally, CSK should take the lead
>  > >>>> on
>  > >>>>> this, but they have been
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> awfully quite except when they award prizes
>  > >>>> at
>  > >>>>> the end of the year
>  > >>>>> (Waudo
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> I know u will kill me offline but I just had
>  > >>>> to
>  > >>>>> say it!).
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> KEPSA? very reputable and effective
>  > >>>> particularly
>  > >>>>> in the Manufacturing
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> sector but on IT? am not sure they have been
>  > >>>> as
>  > >>>>> effective - particularly
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> because the link between KEPSA/KIF and the
>  > >>>> IT
>  > >>>>> industry has been 'cloudy'
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> for lack of a better word...Can for example
>  > >>>> CSK
>  > >>>>> or ISACA  be part of
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> KEPSA without being part of KIF? I again
>  > >>>> need to
>  > >>>>> be enlightened.
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> O.K. I agree I did digress, but just
>  > >>>> thinking
>  > >>>>> loudly and saying that as
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> we think of regulating electronic
>  > >>>> transactions,
>  > >>>>> we also need to
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> simultaneously start regulating the IT
>  > >>>>> profession..but maybe I am wrong.
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> Particularly because regulation can and
>  > >>>> often
>  > >>>>> leads to suppression...
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> walu.
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> --- On Sun, 7/6/08, Marcel Werner
>  > >>>>> <marcelcwerner at gmail.com> wrote:
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> From: Marcel Werner
>  > >>>>> <marcelcwerner at gmail.com>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> Subject: [kictanet] Legislation and
>  > >>>>> Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> Cc: secretariat at kif.or.ke,
>  > >>>> "KICTAnet
>  > >>>>> ICT Policy Discussions"
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 6:43 PM
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> Legislation and Regulation for
>  > >>>> e-Commerce in
>  > >>>>> Kenya
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> Kenya ICT Federation (KIF) - Briefing
>  > >>>> Note #
>  > >>>>> 3  - Report -
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> Public Panel 19
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> June 2008
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> *Electronic commerce (e-commerce) will
>  > >>>> add
>  > >>>>> at least one
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> percent point growth
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> to Kenya's overall economic growth
>  > >>>>> within five years.
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> This is contingent
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> upon the adoption of legislation that
>  > >>>>> supports electronic
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> transactions. *Kenya,
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> as an emerging economy and regional
>  > >>>> leader,
>  > >>>>> lags behind in
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> having a legal
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> framework for e-commerce in place. The
>  > >>>>> current situation is
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> an anachronism
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> hampering national development, placing
>  > >>>>> provincial centres
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> at a
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> disadvantage, and harming global
>  > >>>>> competitiveness. Both
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> external and internal
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> trade require the new framework.The
>  > >>>> Kenyan
>  > >>>>> private sector
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> strongly supports
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> e-commerce legislation, as well as
>  > >>>>> legislation of the
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> Information and
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> Communication Technology sector that
>  > >>>>> guarantees an open
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> market and promotes
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> innovation.
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> Why e-commerce law? Today, legislation
>  > >>>>> supporting
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> electronic transactions
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> represents the single most powerful
>  > >>>>> innovation opportunity
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> in the legal
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> framework of the ICT sector.
>  > >>>> Legislation is
>  > >>>>> needed to:
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> -Legalize e-commerce transactions by
>  > >>>>> recognizing an
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> electronic signature
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> -Manage and control e-commerce r
>  > >>> <KENYA SOFTWARE INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION.doc>
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