[kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya
Gakuru , Alex
alexgakuru.lists at gmail.com
Fri Jul 11 17:24:11 EAT 2008
Kevit;
KIF recently received Kshs 3.5 grant million from a certain business fund.
I am curious centurion system hosts them under their CSR?
Public forum to explain all dealings openly and transparently?.
regards,
On 7/11/08, kevit desai <kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com> wrote:
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> Dear Sylvester,
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> Thank you for all the interest shown. Some of you would like further
> information on the following activities:
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> Historical & present- Impact
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> - Ministerial stakeholder forum (regular sectoral discussions
> private sector – Government, with KEPSA)
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> - Power up with ICT nation – wide awareness campaigns (2004, 2005,
> 2006)
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> - E-Government – municipal councils
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> - Open source software community
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> - E-commerce legislation
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> - Engineering student exhibition – 1997 – 2008
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> - ICT Bills (2006 – 2008)
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> - Creation of INFOCOM Ministry (2003)
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> - National ICT Policy formulation (2004 – 2006)
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> - Tax reforms 2006, 2007, 2008
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> - National innovation system
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> - University Education Reforms Task Force (2006 – current)
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> - PSDS
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> - Africon 2009
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> - Public panels with Kenya ICT Board
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> Associations:
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> - KEPSA
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> - KIF
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> - IEEE
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> - Kenya software industry association
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> Please confirm your interest in a meeting. This will allow me to gauge level
> of participation so as to plan the venue and also mobilize the relevant
> leaders. If you are not on board, it would be great to have you on board. We
> need your support
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> Kevit Desai
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> Director of Engineering - Centurion Systems
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> Chairperson IEEE - Kenya Section
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> Chairman – Engineering students exhibition
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> Governor - KEPSA
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> Director - KEPSA
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> Director - Innovation Africa
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> Director- Kenya ICT Board
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> Vice Chairman - Kenya ICT Federation
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> BOA - AIESEC
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> Member - National Strategy for University Education
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> Co-ordinator - Growing Sustainable Business(GSB)-UNDP Kenya
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> General Co-Chair - Africon 2009
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> 2nd Fl, New Rehema Hse, Raphta Rd, Westlands -Nairobi
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> P.O. BOX 66031 - 00800 Nrb.
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> Tel:+254 20 4440102/3 Fax: +254 20 4440104 CDMA: 020 2049750
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> Mobile: +254 722 517067
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> http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com
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> http://www.ieee.org
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> http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke
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> http://www.innovation-africa.net
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> http://www.kepsa.or.ke
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> http://www.powerup.co.ke
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> http://www.aiesec.org
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> http://www.africon2007.co.za
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> http://www.kif.or.ke
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> www.ict.go.ke
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> http://www.globalcompact.org
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> http://www.undp.org/business/gsb
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> ________________________________
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> From:
> kictanet-bounces+kevit=centurionsystemsltd.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kevit=centurionsystemsltd.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke]
> On Behalf Of Brian Longwe
> Sent: 10 July 2008 18:57
> To: kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com
>
> Cc: kictanet-lists
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya
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> Hi Sylvester,
>
> Thank you so very much for highlighting yet another way in which KICTANET
> is beneficial to the communicat at large. through KICTANET we all learn so
> many good things that are happening in/around - and can then make our own
> decisions as to whether to follow up/engage.
>
> Regards,
>
> Brian
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> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Sylvester Kisonzo
> <skisonzo at securenet.co.ke> wrote:
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> And where can I read (or get information) about all these new names to me?
> KEPSA, KIF, etc? Until recently when I joined this group, I had never heard
> of them. So I wonder how all the 'stakeholders' have all along been
> involved.
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> SK
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> From:
> kictanet-bounces+skisonzo=gmail.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+skisonzo=gmail.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke]
> On Behalf Of Joseph Manthi
> Sent: 09 July 2008 20:47
> To: skisonzo at gmail.com
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> Cc: kictanet-lists
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya
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> Waudo:
> I would like to pose a simple question:
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> Why are these associations needed?
>
> Joe
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> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 1:22 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet at mailcan.com>
> wrote:
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> Brian - DFID set up KEPSA in 2001 to unite the private sector voice. The
> idea was to bring together EXISTING associations. Someone got early wind
> that ICT was one of the identified sectors and decided to register a NEW
> association ostensibly as an umbrella body. The real umbrella body was
> actually supposed to be KEPSA, under its ICT Board. Period. Why did
> someone find a pressing need to form a NEW association???
>
> Anyway right now that is history and KEPSA ICT Board is on the right
> track with all associations on board. We have to struggle to make sure
> it stays that way. I do not understand why you seem to be insisting on
> someone visiting KIF. What is the value addition? What can one discover
> there??? Some say there are personal companies underneath and KIF is the
> front but I do not wish to walk in that mud. My interest is KEPSA ICT
> Board not being equated with KIF.
> Waudo
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> On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 19:31:54 +0300, "Brian Munyao Longwe"
> <blongwe at gmail.com> said:
> > Actually if my memory serves me right. KIF is KEPSAs "child" i.e when
> > KEPSA decided to have sector clusters KIF was established *by* KEpsa
> > to act as the umbrella for ICT private sector.
> >
> > But I stand to be corrected if I'm getting my facts wrong. But if I am
> > right then it *is* important for any critics to understand the inner
> > workings by visiting.
> >
> > I am urging action instead of just talk.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On 09 Jul 2008, at 6:39 PM, "waudo siganga" <emailsignet at mailcan.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Brian - I do not think that the issue is an interest in the
> > > internal
> > > operations of KIF. We are talking governance in the context of KEPSA/
> > > KIF
> > > relationship, something also of interest to the consumer community.
> > > For
> > > your information last year all stakeholders held a meeting in KEPSA
> > > and
> > > decided to open membership to all interested Private Sector
> > > associations. This was after it was observed that the hitherto
> > > stranglehold on KEPSA by KIF meant that the sector was not adequately
> > > represented. Some people may have felt unhappy or even insecure with
> > > this development. The problem is that my friend Kevit, being the KEPSA
> > > ICT director uses his position to constantly market KIF as if it is a
> > > favoured player in KEPSA (e.g. "I would like to confirm that the
> > > KEPSA/KIF relationship is vibrant." - as if implying the other
> > > associations are dead) He is often busy promoting "KIF Positions"
> > > instead of "KEPSA Positions" including using KIF letterheads at the
> > > MSFs. I have misgivings about the current ICT leadership in KEPSA
> > > but I
> > > am hopeful things will change.
> > >
> > > Waudo
> > >
> > > On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:54:41 +0300, "Brian Munyao Longwe"
> > > <blongwe at gmail.com> said:
> > >> Hi Alex,
> > >>
> > >> I would find it hard to imagine how much more Kevit can explain to
> > >> you
> > >> about KIF.
> > >>
> > >> I would like to suggest that Kevit extend an invitation to you (and
> > >> anyone else who might be interested/concerned) to attend the next KIF
> > >> meeting as an observer and see/feel the animal yourself.
> > >>
> > >> Brian
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >> On 09 Jul 2008, at 3:45 PM, Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru at yahoo.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Kevit:
> > >>>
> > >>> I am afraid you have not clarified well enough. I shall not ask you
> > >>> further KEPSA questions although on your previous email you told
> > >>> Waundo "As the director of KEPSA I welcome CSK and any other
> > >>> association to full membership of KEPSA." Apparently this now
> > >>> appears to have changed. And I doubt Waundo complained of
> > >>> "exclusion" not of his private self, rather of CSK? I could be wrong
> > >>> but he could clarify.
> > >>>
> > >>> On Jun 23, 2008 it was announced that a "Local Software Industry
> > >>> Association established" with, among others, "3.1 Objective, Market
> > >>> the local software industry to venture capitalists." (see
> > >>> announcement document attached) Was it registered under Societies
> > >>> Act
> > >>> ( Read Public interest) or as Private (non-or-for-profit) Company? I
> > >>> found it strange it was formed 3 days to aour very successful and
> > >>> OPEN BarCamp. Is this one also under your umbrella?
> > >>>
> > >>> On the links you sent onlist:
> > >>>
> > >>> www.innovation-africa.net
> > >>>
> > >>> Domain Name: INNOVATION-AFRICA.NET
> > >>> Registrar: TUCOWS INC.
> > >>> Whois Server: whois.tucows.com
> > >>> Referral URL: http://domainhelp.opensrs.net
> > >>> Name Server: ULTRA103.UK2.NET
> > >>> Name Server: ULTRA104.UK2.NET
> > >>> Status: redemptionPeriod
> > >>> Updated Date: 24-jun-2008
> > >>> Creation Date: 14-may-2007
> > >>> Expiration Date: 14-may-2008
> > >>>
> > >>> I tried www.innovation-africa.co.ke >> was re-directing to >>
> www.kif.or.ke
> > >>> ( but today it now says "under construction") I gather Centurion
> > >>> Systems offices accommodates KIF, is that correct?
> > >>>
> > >>> What I am trying is to understand is who speaks in the background
> > >>> when when "KIF" issues "stakeholders" statements on an issue,how
> > >>> representative or public service-oriented, good governance, in
> > >>> trying to understand new and old associations' motives.
> > >>>
> > >>> With above information, it would clear doubts of public policy
> > >>> participation illegitimacy or inappropriate public procurement
> > >>> involvement(s). For the sake of our growing transparent ICTs
> > >>> abundantly rewarding enterprising citizens.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Alex
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --- On Wed, 7/9/08, kevit desai
> <kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> From: kevit desai <kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com>
> > >>>> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce
> > >>>> in Kenya
> > >>>> To: alex.gakuru at yahoo.com
> > >>>> Cc: "'kictanet-lists'"
> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > >>>> Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 2:50 AM
> > >>>> Hi Alex,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I'm pleased to clarify as much as I can.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Kepsa has an open membership of PRIVATE sector industry and
> > >>>> market segment
> > >>>> associations in almost all economic sectors. Independence:
> > >>>> KEPSA decisions
> > >>>> are dependent on members wishes, and members are drawn from
> > >>>> the private
> > >>>> sector. In fact, NGO's are not approached for
> > >>>> membership in KEPSA, neither
> > >>>> are government bodies including parastatals. KIF follows
> > >>>> the same approach
> > >>>> for membership and decision-making. No NGO's and
> > >>>> government agencies are
> > >>>> member ofn KIF. However, KEPSA and KIF consult on a REGULAR
> > >>>> BASIS with all
> > >>>> those stakeholders. Having said that, KEPSA and KIF have no
> > >>>> obligation to
> > >>>> offer service to non members.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hopefully this helps to clarify. Do get in touch with Sam
> > >>>> Mwaura of KEPSA or
> > >>>> Marcel Werner of KIF.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Kevit
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: Alex Gakuru [mailto:alex.gakuru at yahoo.com]
> > >>>> Sent: 09 July 2008 04:45
> > >>>> To: kevit desai
> > >>>> Cc: kictanet-lists
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for
> > >>>> e-Commerce in Kenya
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Kevit,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> How does KEPSA and KIF governance relate ensuring decisions
> > >>>> independence?
> > >>>> The political issue here may be monopolization to the
> > >>>> extent of clouding out
> > >>>> other actors thereby generating conflict. The Motive Theory
> > >>>> steps in.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> We investigate the effects of competition on subjects'
> > >>>> attitude towards
> > >>>> cooperation. Three groups face three economic environments
> > >>>> with different
> > >>>> degrees of competition, from a benchmark case with no
> > >>>> competition at all up
> > >>>> to a perfect competition case. Subjects contribute
> > >>>> generously to a public
> > >>>> project in the absence of competition, whereas they
> > >>>> contribute very little
> > >>>> in the presence of a maximum degree of competition. A
> > >>>> diminishing attitude
> > >>>> towards cooperation clearly emerges as the degree of
> > >>>> competition increases.
> > >>>> Therefore, if cooperation does enhance well-being, the
> > >>>> maximum degree of
> > >>>> competition may be not efficient.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> <http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B6W5H-4N0GDV1-1/2/fb32f4c6e9ba
> > >>>> 6a6f51d7da9d40d806eb>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> react.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --- On Tue, 7/8/08, kevit desai
> > >>>> <kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> From: kevit desai
> > >>>> <kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com>
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for
> > >>>> e-Commerce in Kenya
> > >>>>> To: alex.gakuru at yahoo.com
> > >>>>> Cc: secretariat at kif.or.ke, "'KICTAnet ICT
> > >>>> Policy Discussions'"
> > >>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > >>>>> Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 1:14 PM
> > >>>>> Hi Waudo,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> As the director of KEPSA I welcome CSK and any other
> > >>>>> association to full
> > >>>>> membership of KEPSA. We look forward to a meaningful
> > >>>>> partnership.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Kevit Desai
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> _____
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> From: waudo siganga
> [mailto:emailsignet at mailcan.com]
> > >>>>> Sent: 08 July 2008 13:55
> > >>>>> To: Kevit Desai
> > >>>>> Cc: secretariat at kif.or.ke; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy
> > >>>>> Discussions'
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for
> > >>>>> e-Commerce in Kenya
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hello Kevit - I think one needs to be careful when
> > >>>> handling
> > >>>>> KEPSA and KIF at
> > >>>>> the same time. Do not use your foothold in KEPSA to
> > >>>> promote
> > >>>>> KIF at the
> > >>>>> expense of other associations. The explanation is very
> > >>>>> simple: KEPSA was
> > >>>>> formed as a focal point, a bringing together
> > >>>> characterised
> > >>>>> by INCLUSIVITY.
> > >>>>> KIF on the other hand is an independent association
> > >>>> and the
> > >>>>> nature of such
> > >>>>> an association is EXCLUSIVITY (through membership
> > >>>>> mechanism). I would like
> > >>>>> to see the promotion of more associations on the KEPSA
> > >>>> ICT
> > >>>>> Board, not just
> > >>>>> KIF. Please give us space.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Waudo
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:07:07 +0300, "Kevit
> > >>>> Desai"
> > >>>>> <kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com> said:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hi Alex,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> KEPSA (info at kepsa.or.ke): private sector policy body
> > >>>> with
> > >>>>> its own governance
> > >>>>> structure. Elected as a director in private capacity
> > >>>> and as
> > >>>>> KIF vice
> > >>>>> chairman.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> KIF (secretariat at kif.or.ke): membership-based industry
> > >>>>> association, member
> > >>>>> of KEPSA's ICT section. Elected as vice-chairman.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Centurion Systems Ltd: (www.centurionsystemsltd.com)
> > >>>>> private company,
> > >>>>> director, member of KIF.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Director of Engineering - Centurion Systems Ltd
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Chairperson IEEE - Kenya Section
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Chairperson - Engineering Students Exhibition
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Governor - KEPSA
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Director - KEPSA
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Director - Innovation Africa
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Director- Kenya ICT Board
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Vice Chairman - Kenya ICT Federation
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> BOA - AIESEC
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Member - National Strategy for University Education
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Co-ordinator - Growing Sustainable Business(GSB)-UNDP
> > >>>> Kenya
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> General Co-Chair - Africon 2009
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 2nd Fl, New Rehema Hse,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Raphta Rd
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> , Westlands -Nairobi
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> P.O. BOX 66031 - 00800 Nrb.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Tel:+254 20 4440102/3 Fax: +254 20 4440104 CDMA: 020
> > >>>>> 2049750
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Mobile: +254 722 517067
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> http://www.ieee.org
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> http://www.innovation-africa.net
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> http://www.kepsa.or.ke
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> http://www.powerup.co.ke
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> http://www.aiesec.org
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> http://www.africon2007.co.za
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> http://www.kif.or.ke
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> htpp://www.ict.go.ke
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> http://www.globalcompact.org
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> http://www.undp.org/business/gsb
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: waudo siganga
> [mailto:emailsignet at mailcan.com]
> > >>>>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:40 PM
> > >>>>> To: kevit desai
> > >>>>> Cc: secretariat at kif.or.ke; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy
> > >>>>> Discussions'
> > >>>>> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for
> > >>>>> e-Commerce in Kenya
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hello Kevit - Since you sent this message to KICTANET
> > >>>> I can
> > >>>>> answer it on
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> the same forum. I think the picture being painted
> > >>>> about a
> > >>>>> rosy situation
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> including "collaboration" is simply not
> > >>>> true. The
> > >>>>> reason to be frank is
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> that there a few in your KIF who do not want any other
> > >>>>> association to
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> have a voice in KEPSA or to interact with Government.
> > >>>> Could
> > >>>>> you as a
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> KEPSA director ensure that all interested associations
> > >>>>> including the
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> major ones not in KIF are allowed room to contribute
> > >>>> in
> > >>>>> KEPSA? It can be
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> sad if you mis-use your position in KEPSA only to
> > >>>> promote
> > >>>>> KIF and crack
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> down on those you feel are in the way.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Waudo
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:02:31 +0300, "kevit
> > >>>> desai"
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> <kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com> said:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi Walu,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Associations are welcome to be members of KEPSA.
> > >>>> I
> > >>>>> would like to confirm
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> that the KEPSA/KIF relationship is vibrant. We
> > >>>> would
> > >>>>> like to do a lot
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> more
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> and welcome more support.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> We appreciate Waudo's contributions at our
> > >>>> last
> > >>>>> ministerial stakeholder
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> forum.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Collaboration is the way forward.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Kevit Desai
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> KEPSA Director
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> From:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> kictanet-bounces+kevit=centurionsystemsltd.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kevit=centurionsystemsltd.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> > >>>> ]
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Behalf Of waudo siganga
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Sent: 07 July 2008 19:02
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> To: kevit at centurionsystemsltd.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Cc: secretariat at kif.or.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy
> > >>>>> Discussions
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and
> > >>>> Regulation for
> > >>>>> e-Commerce in
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Kenya
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi Walu - I am catching you loud and clear on
> > >>>> GPRS
> > >>>>> somewhere in the
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> bush. I did bring out the issue of regulating the
> > >>>> IT
> > >>>>> (or ICT) Profession
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> on this list a few months ago. But the rather
> > >>>>> unenthusiastic response I
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> got gave me the sense that possibly this was not
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>> correct list since
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> many of the subscribers appear just interested in
> > >>>> ICT
> > >>>>> Policy rather than
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> being actual IT Experts. Within the next two
> > >>>> weeks
> > >>>>> there will be another
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> list for professionals and you will be informed
> > >>>> (you
> > >>>>> have the
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> qualifications, don't you??). We are pushing
> > >>>> for a
> > >>>>> registration board
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> like thise done last yeaer for nutritionists and
> > >>>>> Procurement
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Practitioners. There is a lot of work going on
> > >>>>> unheralded. All we need
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> is a champion or chanpions in the right place.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Waudo
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 02:45:53 -0700 (PDT),
> > >>>> "John
> > >>>>> Walubengo"
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> <jwalu at yahoo.com> said:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Marcel,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> It looks like quite some work has been
> > >>>> ongoing in
> > >>>>> this
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> area...unfortunately it seems as if it was
> > >>>>> restricted within KIF only?
> > >>>>> I
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> wonder if Computer Society of Kenya (CSK,
> > >>>> Waudo r
> > >>>>> u there?) or
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Information Security Audit & Control
> > >>>>> (ISACA-Kenya Chapter) just to
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> mention some of the big IT Associations in
> > >>>> Kenya
> > >>>>> were involved. I beg to
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> be enlightened.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> This brings in an old question - who really
> > >>>>> represents the IT Profession
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> in Kenya? Shem has been on record as saying
> > >>>> that
> > >>>>> IT is the only
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> discipline where we seem to lack bodies with
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>> same authority as LSK
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> (Law Society of Kenya), IEK (Institute of
> > >>>>> Engineers of Kenya), Medical
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Practictioners Board amongst others to
> > >>>> regulate
> > >>>>> the IT Profession.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> And by the way, KICTAnet does not fit the
> > >>>> bill
> > >>>>> either (and has a
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> different objective anyway). But time has
> > >>>> come
> > >>>>> to really start thinking
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> of regulating the IT profession, even as we
> > >>>>> struggle to regulate the
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> industry...Ideally, CSK should take the lead
> > >>>> on
> > >>>>> this, but they have been
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> awfully quite except when they award prizes
> > >>>> at
> > >>>>> the end of the year
> > >>>>> (Waudo
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I know u will kill me offline but I just had
> > >>>> to
> > >>>>> say it!).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> KEPSA? very reputable and effective
> > >>>> particularly
> > >>>>> in the Manufacturing
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> sector but on IT? am not sure they have been
> > >>>> as
> > >>>>> effective - particularly
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> because the link between KEPSA/KIF and the
> > >>>> IT
> > >>>>> industry has been 'cloudy'
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> for lack of a better word...Can for example
> > >>>> CSK
> > >>>>> or ISACA be part of
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> KEPSA without being part of KIF? I again
> > >>>> need to
> > >>>>> be enlightened.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> O.K. I agree I did digress, but just
> > >>>> thinking
> > >>>>> loudly and saying that as
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> we think of regulating electronic
> > >>>> transactions,
> > >>>>> we also need to
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> simultaneously start regulating the IT
> > >>>>> profession..but maybe I am wrong.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Particularly because regulation can and
> > >>>> often
> > >>>>> leads to suppression...
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> walu.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> --- On Sun, 7/6/08, Marcel Werner
> > >>>>> <marcelcwerner at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> From: Marcel Werner
> > >>>>> <marcelcwerner at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Subject: [kictanet] Legislation and
> > >>>>> Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Cc: secretariat at kif.or.ke,
> > >>>> "KICTAnet
> > >>>>> ICT Policy Discussions"
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 6:43 PM
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Legislation and Regulation for
> > >>>> e-Commerce in
> > >>>>> Kenya
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Kenya ICT Federation (KIF) - Briefing
> > >>>> Note #
> > >>>>> 3 - Report -
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Public Panel 19
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> June 2008
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> *Electronic commerce (e-commerce) will
> > >>>> add
> > >>>>> at least one
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> percent point growth
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> to Kenya's overall economic growth
> > >>>>> within five years.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> This is contingent
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> upon the adoption of legislation that
> > >>>>> supports electronic
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> transactions. *Kenya,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> as an emerging economy and regional
> > >>>> leader,
> > >>>>> lags behind in
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> having a legal
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> framework for e-commerce in place. The
> > >>>>> current situation is
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> an anachronism
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> hampering national development, placing
> > >>>>> provincial centres
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> at a
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> disadvantage, and harming global
> > >>>>> competitiveness. Both
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> external and internal
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> trade require the new framework.The
> > >>>> Kenyan
> > >>>>> private sector
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> strongly supports
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> e-commerce legislation, as well as
> > >>>>> legislation of the
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Information and
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Communication Technology sector that
> > >>>>> guarantees an open
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> market and promotes
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> innovation.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Why e-commerce law? Today, legislation
> > >>>>> supporting
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> electronic transactions
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> represents the single most powerful
> > >>>>> innovation opportunity
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> in the legal
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> framework of the ICT sector.
> > >>>> Legislation is
> > >>>>> needed to:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> -Legalize e-commerce transactions by
> > >>>>> recognizing an
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> electronic signature
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> -Manage and control e-commerce r
> > >>> <KENYA SOFTWARE INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION.doc>
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