[kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya
waudo siganga
emailsignet at mailcan.com
Mon Jul 7 21:25:41 EAT 2008
Hi Brian - with the risk of now boring all on this list, surely
if you have a company that looks at Skill, prowess and sheer
genius rather than University degress when employing, I have a
list of thousands of such guys from my village alone. When can I
see you on this? BTW I suggest you and I go off-list on this
topic. Waudo
On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:17:02 +0300, "Brian Munyao Longwe" <blongwe at gmail.c
om> said:
On 07 Jul 2008, at 8:55 PM, "waudo siganga"
<[1]emailsignet at mailcan.com> wrote:
Hey Manthi - we are back to the old argument that Bill Gates is a
high school dropout. Try applying for a job in Microsoft by
fronting that you are a "high school dropout". Good luck. BTW
Bill Gates did not go to Uni of his own volition, not that he was
"thick". His framework for Ms-Dos Ver1 alone could have earned
him a PhD. anywhere.
Actually Bill Gates was a uni dropout. My recently deceased and v
good friend, Guido Sohne, was one of Africa's top programmers. He
too, was a uni dropout - and Microsoft hired him last October
serving West, East & Central Africa and entrusted with Microsofts
"Platform Strategy". Skill, prowess and sheer genius is still
regarded today. Don't argue against it. I have the same beef
about "paper mcse's", "paper ccna's/dp's" etc as Manthi.
Self-Regulation? If it could work Doctors, Lawyers and Engineers
would be self-regulating. Next argument?
They do, only laywers can be members and officials of LSK, only
engineers can be members and officials of the Engineers
Association. The genesis of these legally empowered bodies is
that they self-established and then sought out legislative
backing.
The main point here is self-regulation. If the practitioners feel
the need to ensure a certain level of values, professionalism
and/or basic practice, then they 'self-organize' and
self-regulate.
So, let the people decide!
Brian
On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:30:02 +0300, "Brian Munyao Longwe" <[2]blongwe at gmai
l.com> said:
Well said Joe,
I would say,
- let the proffesionals "self-regulate" (if they see a need to do
so)
- let industries (where certain resources are limited e.g
frequency, right of way, etc) be regulated by an an *independent*
sector regulator.
- let consumers act as the "equalizer" by "voting with their
legs" and leaving/ boycotting services/products which they
disapprove of
My two ndululu
Mblayo
Sent from my iPhone
On 07 Jul 2008, at 7:57 PM, "Joseph Manthi"
<[3]jmanthi at gmail.com> wrote:
Brian
I am quite impressed at your expert use of the iPhone.
But to add my 2 cents:
Lets not hasten in putting regulations against the practice of
ICT - whatever that it is - lest not we stop the development of
our nation and industry in its timid tracks. Let it be. Leave it
alone. It will fix itself.
A good example, they were regulations around what people can and
can not do we would not have today the following technologies and
product lines which were created by people with no credentials
and any hope of getting the same:
- Microsoft products - we all know of Bill Gates educational
background despite his PhD
- Oracle products - Larry Ellison does not have a degree
- Apple
- Linux
and other innumerable products that would have died on the vine
if they had been subjected to the kind of censorship I am seeing
being enumerated here.
Please leave the industry alone. It is out of fear that one wants
to control.
Joe
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Brian Longwe
<[4]blongwe at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Walu,
I beg to differ. ICT is too large, too deep and too wide to
have a
single, authoritative, representative body. What you refer to
would
probably be more appropriate to some of the professional
disciplines
within the ICT sector e.g. Software Developers Guild, System
Administrators Association, CIO/CTO Society - within which
there can
be certain codes of behavior, ethics, values, best practices
etc...
I would venture to suggest that ICT is very similar to the
auto
industry - which is made up of so many different types of
stakeholders
(from multi-national vendors like GM to Owino my jua-kali
fundi and a
plethora of linkages across insurance, finance, property,
transport
etc...)
Not that I intend to put your suggestions down - but to
request a
slightly broader view of the animal called ICT.
To illustrate this point I will wax poetic and share with you
the
following poem by John Godfrey Saxe ( 1816-1887)
The Blind men and the Elephant
It was six men of Indostan
To learning much inclined,
Who went to see the Elephant
(Though all of them were blind),
That each by observation
Might satisfy his mind.
The First approach'd the Elephant,
And happening to fall
Against his broad and sturdy side,
At once began to bawl:
"God bless me! but the Elephant
Is very like a wall!"
The Second, feeling of the tusk,
Cried, -"Ho! what have we here
So very round and smooth and sharp?
To me 'tis mighty clear
This wonder of an Elephant
Is very like a spear!"
The Third approached the animal,
And happening to take
The squirming trunk within his hands,
Thus boldly up and spake:
"I see," quoth he, "the Elephant
Is very like a snake!"
The Fourth reached out his eager hand,
And felt about the knee.
"What most this wondrous beast is like
Is mighty plain," quoth he,
"'Tis clear enough the Elephant
Is very like a tree!"
The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear,
Said: "E'en the blindest man
Can tell what this resembles most;
Deny the fact who can,
This marvel of an Elephant
Is very like a fan!"
The Sixth no sooner had begun
About the beast to grope,
Then, seizing on the swinging tail
That fell within his scope,
"I see," quoth he, "the Elephant
Is very like a rope!"
And so these men of Indostan
Disputed loud and long,
Each in his own opinion
Exceeding stiff and strong,
Though each was partly in the right,
And all were in the wrong!
MORAL.
So oft in theologic wars,
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean,
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen!
Sent from my iPhone
On 07 Jul 2008, at 12:45 PM, John Walubengo
<[5]jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Marcel,
>
> It looks like quite some work has been ongoing in this
> area...unfortunately it seems as if it was restricted within
KIF
> only? I wonder if Computer Society of Kenya (CSK, Waudo r u
there?)
> or Information Security Audit & Control (ISACA-Kenya
Chapter) just
> to mention some of the big IT Associations in Kenya were
involved. I
> beg to be enlightened.
>
> This brings in an old question - who really represents the
IT
> Profession in Kenya? Shem has been on record as saying that
IT is
> the only discipline where we seem to lack bodies with the
same
> authority as LSK (Law Society of Kenya), IEK (Institute of
Engineers
> of Kenya), Medical Practictioners Board amongst others to
regulate
> the IT Profession.
>
> And by the way, KICTAnet does not fit the bill either (and
has a
> different objective anyway). But time has come to really
start
> thinking of regulating the IT profession, even as we
struggle to
> regulate the industry...Ideally, CSK should take the lead on
this,
> but they have been awfully quite except when they award
prizes at
> the end of the year (Waudo I know u will kill me offline but
I just
> had to say it!).
>
> KEPSA? very reputable and effective particularly in the
> Manufacturing sector but on IT? am not sure they have been
as
> effective - particularly because the link between KEPSA/KIF
and the
> IT industry has been 'cloudy' for lack of a better
word...Can for
> example CSK or ISACA be part of KEPSA without being part of
KIF? I
> again need to be enlightened.
>
> O.K. I agree I did digress, but just thinking loudly and
saying that
> as we think of regulating electronic transactions, we also
need to
> simultaneously start regulating the IT profession..but maybe
I am
> wrong. Particularly because regulation can and often leads
to
> suppression...
>
> walu.
> --- On Sun, 7/6/08, Marcel Werner
<[6]marcelcwerner at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Marcel Werner <[7]marcelcwerner at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for
e-Commerce in
>> Kenya
>> To: [8]jwalu at yahoo.com
>> Cc: [9]secretariat at kif.or.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy
Discussions" <[10]kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> >
>> Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 6:43 PM
>> Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya
>>
>> Kenya ICT Federation (KIF) - Briefing Note # 3 - Report -
>> Public Panel 19
>> June 2008
>>
>> *Electronic commerce (e-commerce) will add at least one
>> percent point growth
>> to Kenya's overall economic growth within five years.
>> This is contingent
>> upon the adoption of legislation that supports electronic
>> transactions. *Kenya,
>> as an emerging economy and regional leader, lags behind in
>> having a legal
>> framework for e-commerce in place. The current situation is
>> an anachronism
>> hampering national development, placing provincial centres
>> at a
>> disadvantage, and harming global competitiveness. Both
>> external and internal
>> trade require the new framework.The Kenyan private sector
>> strongly supports
>> e-commerce legislation, as well as legislation of the
>> Information and
>> Communication Technology sector that guarantees an open
>> market and promotes
>> innovation.
>>
>> Why e-commerce law? Today, legislation supporting
>> electronic transactions
>> represents the single most powerful innovation opportunity
>> in the legal
>> framework of the ICT sector. Legislation is needed to:
>> -Legalize e-commerce transactions by recognizing an
>> electronic signature
>> -Manage and control e-commerce risks
>> -Remove e-commerce barriers
>> KIF has studied drafts currently circulating in the public
>> domain, the
>> Information and Communications Bill, 2008, and the
>> Electronic Transactions
>> Bill, 2007, respectively, both of which are of the highest
>> technical
>> standards. Public panels and hearings with sectors of the
>> economy (including
>> tourism, agriculture, ICT) have been held on 6th and 27th
>> May, 4th June and
>> 19th June. The Kenyan private sector has expressed
>> overwhelming support for
>> urgent legislation of e-commerce.
>>
>> Suggested improvements in Bills - The public panels and
>> hearings to date
>> have yielded the following important issues for improvement
>> in the current
>> Bills:
>>
>> - Provisions on who can prosecute are missing
>>
>> - Liability of Internet Service Providers must be
>> demarcated
>>
>> - Clarification on which commercial documents are
>> excluded from
>> proposed legislation
>>
>> - Eliminate any ambiguity on admissibility of
>> electronic evidence
>>
>> - Need for data protection and privacy provisions
>>
>> - The Bills are more lenient on e-commerce fraud
>> than on
>> traditional fraud
>>
>> - Remove inconsistencies in determining crimes and
>> punishments
>>
>> - Provisions for the inclusion of cyber-crime
>> within the scope of
>> the Extradition Act
>>
>> - Creation of an Administrator for e-commerce laws
>> whose functions
>> will be policy implementation and advisory, as a
>> multi-sectoral body with
>> industry associations including KIF, lead regulator
>> Communications
>> Commission of Kenya and co-regulator Central Bank of Kenya
>>
>> Gains in tourism, agriculture, healthcare
>>
>> Industry sectors, notably the tourism industry, are
>> expressing their desire
>> to see e-commerce covered by law. In tourism, on-line
>> travel bookings have
>> exceeded 80% in the USA and 50% in Europe. Decline in
>> off-line bookings is
>> in ample evidence. Those destinations that cannot legally
>> support abundant
>> on-line booking, such as Kenya, will loose market share.
>> E-commerce in
>> agriculture will improve small-holder's living
>> standards. Great impact is
>> expected notably in the coffee sector that provides
>> livelihood to at least 5
>> million Kenyans, as well as in the dairy industry.
>> Healthcare efficiency and
>> affordability will improve by on-line health data
>> management systems.
>> Business operators in rural towns and rural centres have
>> also expressed keen
>> interest, as they see scope to address issues of trade
>> efficiency and
>> security in rural Kenya.
>>
>> What is e-commerce
>>
>> E-commerce is a method of trading that replaces paper-based
>> documentation by
>> a mutually binding electronic protocol between buyers and
>> sellers.
>> E-commerce is gaining ground globally and has become an
>> irreversible trend.
>> Many trading partners are already practicing e-commerce, by
>> mutual
>> agreement, also in Kenya. However, e-commerce will reach
>> its full potential
>> when parties that do not know each other are able to trade
>> with full mutual
>> protection under the law. This will benefit large numbers
>> of consumers and
>> businesses, including small-holder farmers, tourism
>> operators, small-scale
>> industry and services providers in almost any business
>> sector.
>>
>> About KIF
>>
>> The Kenya Information and Communication Technology
>> Federation (KIF)
>> represents the ICT industry with Government and with
>> private sector bodies
>> e.g. Kenya Association of Manufacturers and Kenya Private
>> Sector Alliance
>> KEPSA <[11]http://www.kepsa.org/>. KIF is a legally
>> registered membership based
>> Association, made up of trade associations and professional
>> bodies within
>> the national ICT industry, as well as commercial
>> corporations. KIF has been
>> accepted as the private sector voice of ICT by Government.
>> KIF contributes
>> ideas to key sectors like healthcare, education,
>> agriculture, construction
>> industry, and last but not least supports e-government
>> development. KIF is a
>> membership-driven organisation. Members bring issues on
>> public policy and
>> industry development forward for KIF to take action. Issues
>> include:
>> innovation promotion, education improvement, duties, taxes
>> and levies, rural
>> ICT investment. KIF has a strong and active network, with
>> excellent
>> relationships with all government agencies. KIF membership
>> is open for
>> market segment associations and individual companies.
>> Membership charges are
>> annual and based on company size. Contact:
>> [12]secretariat at kif.or.ke, 020
>> 4440102
>> MARCEL WERNER, Chairman, Kenya ICT Federation
>>
>> please send any business mail to:
>>
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