[kictanet] Disciplinar Measures [was Re: Online courtesy- dont misuse this forum!!!!]

[brian]

I propose that we suspend the two who are using this list for ethnic arguments for 2 weeks. We must have discipline.

Brian Munyao Longwe




On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:24:22 +0300, alice <alice at apc.org> wrote:
> Dear Yawe and all
> 
> KICTANet is committed to and is contributing to the various peace and 
> reconciliation efforts and therefore condemns any attempt to extend the 
> crisis to virtual space.
> 
> So a reminder of some of the he rules once again.
> 
> Mind your manners and during this period mind them extra hard.....Don’t 
> send rude, political, tribal and offensive e-mails or postings.
> 
> * Be polite - virtual members are real not a cyberspace dunderheads with
> no
> feelings.
> 
> * Watch your words - We can’t see your face, and the emotions in
> words can get misinterpreted.
> 
> * Kick the bad language - People are listening.
> 
> * Laws are laws - What’s real in the real world are the same in
> cyberspace.
> 
> 
> * Newbie tolerance - You’re an expert in cyberspace, don’t forget
> there are newbie’s trying to learn as much as you had to.
> 
> * Be ethical in your posting. Don't lie, plagiarize, or deliberately
> do harm to another KICTANet forum user.
> 
> regards
> alice
> 
> 
> Rebecca Wanjiku wrote:
>> Dear Yawe,
>>
>> I am sure my name has given me away too but I dont care much about that.
>>
>> Suffice it to say that this is not a forum for bar talk and that kind 
>> of stuff. This is a place for serious discussions. I am sure this kind 
>> of responses can make people to unsubscribe from this list, or make 
>> others start defending their political stand.
>>
>> For the years I have been a member of this list, I am sure Kictanet 
>> accommodates everybody irrespective of race, ethnic background or 
>> levels of development.
>>
>> This is a list with people beyond Kenya, who are interested in ICT 
>> policy and other attendant issues. If everybody came to narrate such 
>> stories online, I wonder what we will do during our free time when we 
>> are supposed to engage in idle talk.
>>
>> Let us restrict this kind of talk to political rallies and local pubs 
>> and let this forum be for serious ICT discussions. We must see beyond 
>> some of these things.
>>
>> If you have any bone to pick with my contribution please reply to me 
>> directly and not to the list.
>>
>> Walubengo has published guidelines on posting, I am sure he will be 
>> kind enough to re-post them just to remind ourselves how to conduct 
>> online discussions.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Becky
>> Tel. 254 720 318 925
>> blog:http://beckyit.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: Alex Gakuru <gakuru at gmail.com>; ke-internetusers at bdix.net
>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:26:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Election process fiasco
>>
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> If your name is a definite give away and I would have been more 
>> surprised if your contribution was any different.
>>
>> Do not create a storm in a tea cub, the Kikuyu should head the adage 
>> "with great power comes great responsibility". By not uplifting the 
>> livelihood of your neighbours in Eldoret, Kisumu and Kuresoi you 
>> failed in your responsibility. Yes, you are your brothers keeper do 
>> not escape your right.
>>
>> Taking us back to the days of your tribes existence as gatherers 
>> (sorry they still are) you are trying to justify your abdicated 
>> responsibility. Teach your pastoral and fishing neigbours how to 
>> better their lives and this problem will solve itself.
>>
>> Take Raila's hand and show him how by taking EA Spectre and the 
>> Molasses plant public is the way of the future instead of selling 
>> everything to Trans Century. Teach Ruto that education is the land of 
>> the future, his mentor ruled us for 24 years longer than Kenyatta 
>> ruled yet Gatundu is still better off than Sacho.
>>
>> It is time the Kikuyu accepted that they have misused their God given 
>> right to enrich yourselves and frustrate those you are responsible for.
>>
>> Regards
>> Robert Yawe
>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>> KEnya
>> Tel: +254722511225
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Alex Gakuru <gakuru at gmail.com>
>> To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
>> Cc: ke-users <ke-internetusers at bdix.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, 8 January, 2008 9:30:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Election process fiasco
>>
>> Greetings Robert,
>>
>> Let break it down!
>>
>> You mean every Kikuyu carries a "land thief" label on their forehead?
>> Terrible thieves of indigenous lands they should all be. Hey, what am
>> I saying? You live and your office is in Nairobi right? And Nairobi is
>> a maasai name. oops! Then we are occupying indigenous maasai land and
>> we should all vacate and go back to our ancestral homes to avoid
>> massai rungus and spears.
>>
>> Step 1
>>
>> Kalenjin head back to Rift Valley, Luo back to Luo-Nyanza, Kikuyus to
>> Central Kenya, Arabs, Waswahili back to the coast, Taita... etc etc..
>> all 42 communities ( or should I use tribes?)
>>
>> Step 2
>>
>> Before we unpack those sufurias, beddings, and bags and city life
>> computers and modems. History says pssst! Look over here! Sorry
>> Bantus, the Nigeria-Cameroon- Congo forest is where you belong you
>> only came here 5,000 years ago (3000 BC)
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu#Origins> And you Nilotics get up
>> further north to the Sudan, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nilotic),
>> Cushitics back to the arab-asia origins.
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Asiatic_languages>
>>
>> Step 3
>>
>> If you noticed above Nilotics include Maa-speaking peoples who earlier
>> chased you and me from their Nairobi. etc.. etc..
>>
>> Step 4
>>
>> Nearly forgot, Indians please the British only brought you here to
>> construct Her/His Majesty's EAR and you have over-stayed. Get packing
>> thank you very much for your labours. BTW, White Kenyans remember
>> Europe is where your ancestors are? Everyone is going back home where
>> they belongs. ok!
>>
>> Step 5
>>
>> If there are any Americans- Kenyans you go home as well. This is a
>> hard one because once you get there, you then retrace where you came
>> from because Native Americans claim that land. Australians the
>> Aborigine wan their land back. Spanish Mexicans the Aztecs want back
>> their land etc etc
>>
>> Step 6
>>
>> Kenya's permanent solution to the Eldoret "problem" as per Yawe has
>> triggered an unprecedented global migration crisis and succeeded in
>> removing everyone from Kenya. In other works, there is no Kenya
>> because Kenya was an artificial invention of some British adventurers
>> who have all been compelled to go back home.
>>
>> Finally,
>>
>> Everybody is now safely back in their home land and permanent peace
>> prevails all over the world?
>>
>> BTW regarding, "Evelyn brought out an interesting issue, can we
>> digitize the land ownership patterns so that we can easily identify
>> prospective problem zones before they flare up," I believe she must
>> have been making reference to a KDN's business proposal because she
>> works there and it's her job to look for new business. She's unlikely
>> to share it with potential competitors on the list, at least I
>> wouldn't:)
>>
>> Nice debate, hit me!
>>
>> Enjoy!
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2008 8:04 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk 
>> <mailto:robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Alex,
>> >
>> > We know the genesis of the problems in Eldoret and whichever way the
>> > election went the killings and displacements there would still have 
>> taken
>> > place. Stop bombarding God with insincere prayers, we pray together 
>> only to
>> > walk out of the judge and return to our tribal cocoons.
>> >
>> > The history and progression of the tensions in Eldoret are well 
>> known and
>> > documented, it had nothing to do with the election results but Ruto
>> > finishing off what he begun in 1992 - 1997. Remember is the one of 
>> the only
>> > known participant in a cabinet meeting who was not a minister.
>> >
>> > Give the land back to the Kalenjin it was taken away from them by the
>> > settlers but returned to the Kikuyu. If you want my added opinion if
> you
>> > decide to eat a frog eat a fat juicy one, if the Kikuyu's really want
> to
>> > remain in Eldoret let them make sure they have uninterrupted tracts 
>> of not
>> > less than 100 acres and stop promising your sons and daughters that
> they
>> > will inherit the land lets move to the new age, knowledge.
>> >
>> > Evelyn brought out an interesting issue, can we digitize the land 
>> ownership
>> > patterns so that we can easily identify prospective problem zones
> before
>> > they flare up.
>> >
>> > Lets stop useless rhetoric and apply our knowledge and skills to 
>> better run
>> > this country, stop using 18th century solutions for 22nd century 
>> problems.
>> > There are enough busy bodies dealing with the now and here of this 
>> crisis we
>> > need a group to look 20 years ahead to make sure that the child born
> in
>> > Eldoret, Nyeri or Kisumu today does not revert to the solutions of 
>> todays 20
>> > year old.
>> >
>> > Alex, I refuse to be pulled into a discussion that I cannot provide a
>> > workable solution that is within my skill set. Ask me for a techie 
>> solution
>> > to a problem then I am in my forte.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Robert Yawe
>> > KAY System Technologies Ltd
>> > Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>> > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>> > KEnya
>> >
>> > Tel: +254722511225
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----
>> > From: Alex Gakuru <alexgakuru.lists at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:alexgakuru.lists at gmail.com>>
>> > To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
> <mailto:robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>>
>> > Cc: ke-users <ke-internetusers at bdix.net 
>> <mailto:ke-internetusers at bdix.net>>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, 8 January, 2008 12:58:48 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Election process fiasco
>> >
>> > Robert:
>> >
>> > Firstly, I am not opposed to your expressed opinion but only calling
>> > on prioritisation of issues. We are lucky to be alive and in our
>> > offices typing away our diverse polls opinions and offering our best
>> > efforts in solving problems facing our suffering brothers and sisters.
>> >
>> > But could we at this moment in time focus all our energies on
>> > solidifying returning peace and calm. Hard-line political positions,
>> > polls details, allegations or insinuations will neither console those
>> > that lost their loved ones, destroyed homes, property, and
>> > livelihoods. Accusations will not console fellow Kenyans and relatives
>> > since spending every night in the cold not because they committed any
>> > crime.
>> >
>> > Let us all try a very difficult thing, forgiveness. Anger is easily
>> > inflames and spread whereas honest forgiveness is such a difficult
>> > thing for us to do. But why should we all forgive in the first place?
>> > some may ask.
>> >
>> > I believe forgiveness should not be to please the aggressor, not to
>> > gain political mileage, settle political scores, or improve ones
>> > public image. We should not forgive to appear righteous to appease
>> > our religious leaders, cultural traditions, or our families.
>> >
>> > We should forgive so that we save own selves from self-ruin. Save our
>> > futures from burdens of pain and grief. To break free chains of
>> > carrying burdens of hatred for the rest of our lives. For our
>> > conscience, hearts and minds to be unpolluted, pure and clear. To
>> > appreciate and focus on the beauty, value and to actualise sanctity of
>> > life every moment that we live. And to become soldiers of life, love,
>> > kindness, and fairness fellow beings.
>> >
>> > What possibly could ever justify one taking the life of another? I
>> > simply could never find words strong enough to condemn such.
>> >
>> > Therefore, my friend, let is not tire ourselves with politicians power
>> > self-interests when many are undergoing trauma. At this moment in
>> > time politicians interests bother me the least. Time will tell and I
>> > hope 10 years todays, this country will look back at this as the
>> > darkest cloud ever to have passed over our country.
>> >
>> > Alex
>> >
>> > On Jan 8, 2008 11:52 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk 
>> <mailto:robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Happy new year to you all and I pray that you are all well.
>> > >
>> > > It is shocking that in this day and age we can actually have the 
>> kind of
>> > > electoral fiasco that has been visited on us by the ECK and Co as 
>> well as
>> > > the political parties.
>> > >
>> > > This draconian problem reared its head when the Orange house was 
>> broken
>> > into
>> > > and the computers stolen. Hon.Nyongo's statement indicated that the
>> > > objective was to steal the member register. If I needed to steal the
>> > > register which from his comments was in electronic form what was 
>> the need
>> > of
>> > > taking off with the computer. Has he ever heard of flash disks,
>> > external
>> > > hard dis drives and CD/DVD writers. Technology allows me to steal
> his
>> > data
>> > > without him every knowing.
>> > >
>> > > After this issue Kivuiti dismissed the SMS service that had been
> made
>> > > available by Telkom to enable voters confirm their details. He 
>> even went
>> > to
>> > > the extent of saying he does not know how to send an SMS. As the IT
>> > > fraternity in the country can we really escape blame for this
> fiasco?
>> > >
>> > > The next time was when I saw Hon. Ruto standing at KICC and
> screaming
>> > > himself hoarse over the forms 16 & 16A that had not been received.
> It
>> > seems
>> > > he might be using a Nokia 1018 mobile phone (he actually uses a 
>> Nokia N
>> > > series).
>> > >
>> > > Was it so difficult for the opposition to provide each of their
> agents
>> > with
>> > > a camera equipped mobile phone that they would have used to to take
>> > pictures
>> > > of the form and also record the returning officer announcing the 
>> results.
>> > > This would then have been easily sent to party head quarters.
>> > >
>> > > There are 210 or so constituencies in the country and the mobile 
>> phones I
>> > am
>> > > talking about cost about 10,000/- each do the math.
>> > >
>> > > I ask am I the only Kenyan who is aware of such technology or is
> this
>> > entire
>> > > fiasco a stage managed process. Even the EU observer teams came 
>> equipped
>> > as
>> > > if it was the 12th Century after which they proceeded to make 
>> unsupported
>> > > statements about the result that further inflamed bloodshed.
>> > >
>> > > Maybe its a techie thing to keep in our glass houses and refuse to
> add
>> > value
>> > > to a process and only send around message (this one included) 
>> after the
>> > > fact.
>> > >
>> > > It is re-assuring when we remember the Florida fiasco but this not
>> > > withstanding do we really have a moral standing to point fingers 
>> about the
>> > > election results?
>> > >
>> > > What will be our contribution to stopping this from being repeated
> in
>> > > future?
>> > >
>> > > Regards
>> > >
>> > > Remember Matiba and his video cameras during the good old days of
>> > mulolongo
>> > > voting?
>> > >
>> > > Robert Yawe
>> > > KAY System Technologies Ltd
>> > > Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>> > > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>> > > KEnya
>> > >
>> > > Tel: +254722511225
>> > >
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