[kictanet] [Fwd: Re: OHH POLE???-Didn't look like.]
Alex Gakuru
alex.gakuru at yahoo.com
Mon Feb 18 11:22:38 EAT 2008
I agree with Dr. Ndemo on this. It appears Robert Alai
is stranded in hate space. Apparently Walu tried very
hard to give him directions out of it but he insists
on continued residency. When someone is lost and does
not head to your directions, the only option left is
to give them the map and whether they chooses to read
upside down, if they care to, is up to them.
Perhaps with Alai we henceforth collectively not
dignify or qualify his hate mongering by honouring it
with responses- else people might not notice the
difference..
Now that these emails are part of Alai CV and part of
his public image forever, Walu raises an interesting
Internet Governance Forum-2007 question -Should the
internet be made to forget?
>>BILL MANNING: Bill manning, old guy, I've been
doing this for a little while. Question, or an
analogy here has to do with character assassination.
And anonymity. The amount of data stored on the
Internet or in the content providers is enormous and
it grows exponentially. The Internet needs to learn
how to forget. And that is a large issue that hasn't
been talked about. Being able to forget bad data is
important for the larger cultural experience. And
we don't know how to do that.
>>NIK GOWING: That's a great workshop and plenary
title. One more there, please. "How to forget."
<http://www.intgovforum.org/Rio_Meeting/IGF2-EmergingIssues-15NOV07.txt>
--- bitange at jambo.co.ke wrote:
> Dear All,
> This is unwarranted (below)attack and does not help
> us to develop a nation
> called Kenya.
>
>
> ---------------------------- Original Message
> ----------------------------
> Subject: Re: OHH POLE???-Didn't look like.
> From: "Robert Alai" <alai.robert at gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, February 16, 2008 8:12 am
> To: "John Walubengo" <jwalu at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "alice" <alice at apc.org>
> "Washington Odhiambo" <odhiambo at gmail.com>
> "eve kictanet" <evelyne at kictanet.or.ke>
> "bitange at jambo.co.ke" <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
>
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>
> John
>
> respect when people are being forcibly circumcised.
> I worked in the forces
> and from our own intelligence Kibaki is arming the
> Kikuyus for a major
> offensive now. We have pictures and facts about this
> and videos of
> confessions. Kenya cant and wont be the same with
> the kind of attitude which
> Bitange is creating while we know that people aare
> being killed for not
> being Kikuyus. I dont have two months in forums
> John. I run kaziafrika
> fforum which has more than 5700 active members. I
> run jamboforums.com which
> iss the public watchdog for Tanzania and has 5
> million hits in one month.
> Jamboforum is credited with revealing the Richmond
> scandal, Buzwagi scandal,
> BOT scandal, and many others. I have experiece of 6
> years in UN hostile
> zones including and not limited to DRC, Rwanda,
> Burundi and Mozambique.
>
> Guys dont lick the ass of people like Bitange just
> because they are PSs. I
> personnaly wrote to my former boss who is Ban Ki
> Moon and sent the pics and
> also copied the humanitarian head who is Holmes. I
> believe that Kibaki and
> his cohorts like Ndemo are buying time to butcher
> Kenyans. All routes in
> Nairobi which matatus operat in have now see the
> ressurgence of Mungikis in
> the name of touts. These people are preparing to
> strike. I have witnessed in
> one of the routes Mungikis slashing people with
> razor blades. It a new
> attack which is ccoming up. People are now being
> attacked wwith razor blades
> and not Pangas as before.
>
> Guys lets be serrious lakini tafadhalini tusilambe
> tako la Ndemo.
>
> Alai
>
> On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 4:06 PM, John Walubengo
> <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Robert,
> >
> > I dont know you. You dont know me, but probably by
> virtue
> > of being a moderator of the KICTAnet list I have
> had to
> > endure your 'tantrums'. I actually dont know how
> all this
> > started but all I can say is that I see you are
> hurting and
> > probably you should avoid writing/posting until
> you get
> > your cool.
> >
> > Anger is a bad partner when combined with the
> written word.
> > Infact the things you say are easily forgotten but
> those
> > you write remain forever. In my brief online life,
> I have
> > learnt never to scribble when am worked up. What
> I do is
> > to scribble, save it and review the content 12hrs
> later.
> > Most of the times, I make changes that pass the
> same
> > message in a more diplomatic and positive manner.
> >
> > And that's really what the KICTAnet list is asking
> of
> > members. Diplomacy. Try to say things with
> respect just as
> > you would in real life.
> >
> > walu.
> > --- Robert Alai <alai.robert at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Alice
> > >
> > > So thats what they taught you in school? Thats
> what you
> > > do at CCK? Hey you
> > > are simle failure to Kenyans. You believe in
> solving a
> > > problem by running
> > > away from it? Let me teach you abou lists and
> forums. I
> > > see your Masters
> > > degree is not coming handy here.
> > >
> > > Alai
> > >
> > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Robert Alai
> > > <alai.robert at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Alice
> > > >
> > > > Did it touch you? Who again did you warn. Do
> you see
> > > like you are cutting
> > > > my oxygen when you ban me? Ban, kwani? If
> Wainaina
> > > brings politics know that
> > > > I will answer him politically and threats from
> you or
> > > Ndemo wont scare me.
> > > > Kenyans know the truth and thinking that ogre
> mentality
> > > will scare me from
> > > > saying what it is as it is then you are in for
> a
> > > suprise. By the way how
> > > > important is KICTANET?
> > > >
> > > > Alice, you are just behaving like Michuki who
> was
> > > Bitange's boss. Thinking
> > > > that killing the messenger will stop people
> from
> > > getting the truth. Hell NO.
> > > > KTN and Standard are more stronger than ever
> and with
> > > or without government
> > > > lincenses we watch it in Kisumu through
> sattelite.
> > > >
> > > > Shame on you and your stooge, Ndemo.
> > > >
> > > > Alai
> > > > unedited
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 8:27 AM, alice
> <alice at apc.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Dear Robert...
> > > > >
> > > > > This is a warning to you. Respect KICTAnet
> mailing
> > > list rules especially
> > > > > these ones:
> > > > >
> > > > > *WHAT KINDS OF THINGS ARE INAPPROPRIATE FOR
> THE
> > > LISTSERV?** *The
> > > > > listserv should *not* be used at this
> time for
> > > personal
> > > > > advertising of services or the
> advertisement of
> > > services available
> > > > > from someone else. Please do *not* send
> updates
> > > of your addresses
> > > > > or other personal contact details to
> the
> > > listserv. Greetings to
> > > > > your friends, etc only flood mailboxes
> and
> > > should *not *be done
> > > > > through the listserv. Gender
> inappropriate or
> > > other references
> > > > > that may be offensive to some groups or
> > > individuals should not be
> > > > > posted, of course.
> > > > > * *Mailing list manners you must mind*:
> Don't send
> > > rude, political,
> > > > > tribal and offensive e-mails or
> postings. * Be
> > > polite - virtual
>
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John
respect when people are being forcibly circumcised. I
worked in the forces and from our own intelligence
Kibaki is arming the Kikuyus for a major offensive
now. We have pictures and facts about this and videos
of confessions. Kenya cant and wont be the same with
the kind of attitude which Bitange is creating while
we know that people aare being killed for not being
Kikuyus. I dont have two months in forums John. I run
kaziafrika fforum which has more than 5700 active
members. I run jamboforums.com which iss the public
watchdog for Tanzania and has 5 million hits in one
month. Jamboforum is credited with revealing the
Richmond scandal, Buzwagi scandal, BOT scandal, and
many others. I have experiece of 6 years in UN hostile
zones including and not limited to DRC, Rwanda,
Burundi and Mozambique.
Guys dont lick the ass of people like Bitange just
because they are PSs. I personnaly wrote to my former
boss who is Ban Ki Moon and sent the pics and also
copied the humanitarian head who is Holmes. I believe
that Kibaki and his cohorts like Ndemo are buying time
to butcher Kenyans. All routes in Nairobi which
matatus operat in have now see the ressurgence of
Mungikis in the name of touts. These people are
preparing to strike. I have witnessed in one of the
routes Mungikis slashing people with razor blades. It
a new attack which is ccoming up. People are now being
attacked wwith razor blades and not Pangas as before.
Guys lets be serrious lakini tafadhalini tusilambe
tako la Ndemo.
Alai
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 4:06 PM, John Walubengo
<jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
Robert,
I dont know you. You dont know me, but probably by
virtue
of being a moderator of the KICTAnet list I have had
to
endure your 'tantrums'. I actually dont know how all
this
started but all I can say is that I see you are
hurting and
probably you should avoid writing/posting until you
get
your cool.
Anger is a bad partner when combined with the written
word.
Infact the things you say are easily forgotten but
those
you write remain forever. In my brief online life, I
have
learnt never to scribble when am worked up. What I do
is
to scribble, save it and review the content 12hrs
later.
Most of the times, I make changes that pass the same
message in a more diplomatic and positive manner.
And that's really what the KICTAnet list is asking of
members. Diplomacy. Try to say things with respect
just as
you would in real life.
walu.
--- Robert Alai <alai.robert at gmail.com> wrote:
> Alice
>
> So thats what they taught you in school? Thats what
you
> do at CCK? Hey you
> are simle failure to Kenyans. You believe in solving
a
> problem by running
> away from it? Let me teach you abou lists and
forums. I
> see your Masters
> degree is not coming handy here.
>
> Alai
>
> On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Robert Alai
> <alai.robert at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Alice
> >
> > Did it touch you? Who again did you warn. Do you
see
> like you are cutting
> > my oxygen when you ban me? Ban, kwani? If Wainaina
> brings politics know that
> > I will answer him politically and threats from you
or
> Ndemo wont scare me.
> > Kenyans know the truth and thinking that ogre
mentality
> will scare me from
> > saying what it is as it is then you are in for a
> suprise. By the way how
> > important is KICTANET?
> >
> > Alice, you are just behaving like Michuki who was
> Bitange's boss. Thinking
> > that killing the messenger will stop people from
> getting the truth. Hell NO.
> > KTN and Standard are more stronger than ever and
with
> or without government
> > lincenses we watch it in Kisumu through sattelite.
> >
> > Shame on you and your stooge, Ndemo.
> >
> > Alai
> > unedited
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 8:27 AM, alice
<alice at apc.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Robert...
> > >
> > > This is a warning to you. Respect KICTAnet
mailing
> list rules especially
> > > these ones:
> > >
> > > *WHAT KINDS OF THINGS ARE INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE
> LISTSERV?** *The
> > > listserv should *not* be used at this time
for
> personal
> > > advertising of services or the
advertisement of
> services available
> > > from someone else. Please do *not* send
updates
> of your addresses
> > > or other personal contact details to the
> listserv. Greetings to
> > > your friends, etc only flood mailboxes and
> should *not *be done
> > > through the listserv. Gender inappropriate
or
> other references
> > > that may be offensive to some groups or
> individuals should not be
> > > posted, of course.
> > > * *Mailing list manners you must mind*: Don't
send
> rude, political,
> > > tribal and offensive e-mails or postings. *
Be
> polite - virtual
> > > members are real not a cyberspace
dunderheads
> with no feelings.*
> > > Watch your words - We can't see your face,
and
> the emotions in
> > > words can get misinterpreted.* Kick the bad
> language - People are
> > > listening.* Laws are laws - What's real in
the
> real world are the
> > > same in cyberspace. Be ethical in your
posting,
> don't lie,
> > > plagiarize, or deliberately do harm to
another
> KICTANet forum user.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > if you repeat these offences we shall ban you
from
> this list.
> > >
> > > regards
> > >
> > > alice munyua
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya: The Media
is
> Not Innocent
> > > Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:51:59 +0300
> > > From: Robert Alai <alai.robert at gmail.com>
> > > To: alice at apc.org
> > > CC: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > > References:
> > >
>
<fb2c60220802130416x356f9e9ap82debaf42c1e8407 at mail.gmail.com>
> > > <453375.42402.qm at web36201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> > >
>
<21ca13ee0802130755if502766jfafb1e0376853656 at mail.gmail.com>
> > >
>
<fb2c60220802140803l3b7d322meef08c0bcd42964c at mail.gmail.com>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Wainaina
> > > This is funny. On one hand you are describing
how
> KTN/Standard did
> > > incite the public and ignore the fact that All
Royal
> Media outlets
> > > including RamogiFM, Kameme, and KBC have gone to
> become Kikuyu
> > > chauvinist and not ready to protect the interest
of
> Kenya. On another
> > > hand you claim ho the current Kenyan problem is
> political. *THE PROBLEM
> > > IS NOT POLITICAL BUT ETHNIC. *I have just come
from a
> tour which took me
> > > from Tigoni, Juja, Nyeri, Naivasha, Eldoret,
Kisumu,
> Yala and Busia. I
> > > travelled with the IDPs and listened and cried
of
> what I heard. Kenyans
> > > are being denied their rights because they are
not
> Kikuyu. I have the
> > > word of MPs and confirmed with IOM that the
> government explicitly
> > > informed the Redcross and IOM not to serve some
> communities. I have
> > > horror tales of women whose husbands were hacked
with
> pangas inside
> > > Tigoni police station and the police couldnt
save
> because they are not
> > > Kikuyu. I have talked to Abbas of IOM of how
> different Redcross is
> > > treating IDPs. kikuyu IDPs are treated with all
care
> and others ignored.
> > > I personally snatched blankets from Pamela who
is the
> regional redcross
> > > manager in Kisumu when she refused to give them
to
> mothers and chidren I
> > > transported from tigoni and naivasha. I brought
17
> buses and called
> > > redcross and informed them of my mission. I had
a
> meeting with Dr Simiyu
> > > and Abbas Guled and they agreed to prepare the
> ground. After a whole day
> > > travel I got redcross not ready and when they
saw the
> buses is when they
> > > started cutting the mbogas and meat. We handed
over 4
> children whose
> > > mother was admitted to Agha khan with serious
illness
> and redcross took
> > > the children to a police station in Siaya.
> > > Kenyan problem is tribal and not political. We
cannot
> have one tribe
> > > running roughshod and even the religious leaders
from
> Kikuyu preaching
> > > the Kikuyu superiority. We cannot have one tribe
> killing and maiming
> > > Kenyans while claiming there is a genocide
against
> Kikuyus. No Kikuyu
> > > was killed in Kisumu. Infact they were protected
and
> even I have Mwangi,
> > > and Kuria who are my friends living and working
in
> Kisumu even now when
> > > they cant work anywhere else. But Kibaki is
ordering
> NGOs not to serve
> > > non Kikuyus. Kikuyus enjoy greater access to
loans
> and even humanitarian
> > > assistance. Go to Kondele in Kisumu where the
Kikuyu
> IDPs are housed.
> > > You will find that there is a bigger difference
with
> Moi stadium where
> > > redcross dont want to even put basic facilities
> forcing the local
> > > community in Kisumu to house the IDPs at St
Stephens.
> > > kenyans, these theories of Bitange and Wainaina
only
> works for the few
> > > they serve. Bitange was key in selling 51percent
> shares of Telkom Kenya
> > > to the french consortium at 26 Billion Ksh.
Before
> that the government
> > > cleared a debt of 69 billion. if 51% shares were
sold
> at 26 it menas
> > > that Telkom Kenya was just worht 52 Billion. Why
> settle a debt of 69
> > > billion? What is the mathematics here? telkom
Kenya
> was worthless? Shame
> > > on you Bitange. Only people who dont know your
inner
> dealings will
>
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