[kictanet] Media Bill - where is the final copy?

Mon Dec 15 10:29:11 EAT 2008

I agree with Edith, like I asked earlier, is the bill at http://www.information.go.ke/docs/DRAFT%20ICT%20BILL%202008.pdf

the exact copy of what was passed in parliament? Esther/Eng Kariuki/Eng. Rege or Dr. Ndemo could confirm. 

But my 2cents is that there are good things coming up in the bill for the IT world. My other point is that Media Content MUST be regulated - I am just not sure if the said clauses 'over-do' as insunuated by my friend, journalism mentor and Editor D. Makali. 

I may only know after reading the original/gazetted copies...

walu.
--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Edith Adera <eadera at idrc.or.ke> wrote:

> From: Edith Adera <eadera at idrc.or.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Kenya communications (amendment) Bill: Is media overacting?
> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 10:51 AM
> It worries me that the masses are taking sides depending on
> what others say, rather than to read the bill themselves. Is
> there a "popular version" of the bill for ordinary
> Kenyans? Can we get a copy of the current bill or be pointed
> to where the latest version can be downloaded? This
> information is not necessarily within the public domain.
> 
> It is high time we do not leave our future in the hands of
> afew, but let everyone be educated about the issues at hand
> so they can engage from an informed standpoint - we need an
> OPEN parliament. We have enough digital tools to allow
> interaction between parliament and the governed.
> 
> Edith    
> 
> ________________________________________
> From:
> kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
> Behalf Of alice [alice at apc.org]
> Sent: 14 December 2008 19:40
> To: Edith Adera
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Kenya
> communications (amendment) Bill: Is media overacting?
> 
> David,
> 
> Perhaps the media could start by reporting accurately. Some
> of the
> sections the media find so offensive already exist in the
> 1998
> communications act. So why not present the  big full 
> picture to all and
> especially the public?
> 
> 
> alice
> 
> (Views expressed are personal and not a reflection of any
> of the
> organizations I am affiliated with)
> 
> 
> 
> dmakali at yahoo.com wrote:
> > Wainaina
> > I can't argue against your sources but am certain
> that stage of black out for mps hasn't been reached at
> all. In fact we are meeting tue to evaluate exactly the
> import of the passage of that bill and bring every1 on the
> same page.
> > Of course blacking out not just some 25 mps but all is
> very much a possible line of action. And for good reason-
> these mps did not consider ANY of the changes we proposed.
> That gang approach doesn't lend itself to decent
> engagement frm the media. They have abused their power and
> ignored our views, not reasonably but glibly.
> > I am totally in agrment with thoz who argue the
> broadcast media needs regulation, because it is true. I
> don't even share some defensive views about ownership
> held by moa- I see no value in nmg getting more radio or tv
> frequencies for eg coz they already have too many, or royal
> media having all thoz frequencies. Its simply obscene. But
> that is a diff story frm govt getting into micro management
> of media conent or , the minister having power to raid and
> confiscate equipment or occupy or take over a media house.
> There was no emergency wen michuki used mercenaries to raid
> standard.
> > Plus the ethical issues being raised about content can
> and are already addressed under the media act. The worst
> thing you want is to invite govt fiat into content matters.
> You will rue the day you get a dictatorial govt. Examples
> are many.
> > Similarly, how do you allow the minister to give
> directions to a commission that's supposd to be
> independent? He shud take its advice not rubber stamp his
> decisions. And how do you have a commission appointed solely
> by the minister without any guidelines? Criteria to follow?
> > Finally did you see the clause about kbc? Nothing
> about its roles, and obligations? Even the principal act is
> beta!
> > Well, wainaina and other kictanets, it would be useful
> to speak to these issues even as you condemn the media for
> obviously lopsided reporting and wailing.
> > David
> >
> > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Wainaina Mungai"
> <wainaina at madeinkenya.org>
> >
> > Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:53:55
> > To: <dmakali at yahoo.com>; KICTAnet ICT Policy
> Discussions<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Kenya communications
> (amendment) Bill: Is media overacting?
> >
> >
> > David,
> >
> > I am very much involved the media and you & I know
> that it was agreed
> > that the Action Plan includes a "blackout
> to..." as well as all the
> > issues I indicated.The point is clear. I have told the
> truth relating
> > to the content of the Action Plan.
> >
> > The question of execution is separate. Ndemo having
> been on K24 is
> > does not change much but it is not in line with the
> Action
> > Plan....meaning, we need to complement K24 for that
> step.
> >
> > Let's be honest in our submissions especially
> concerning such revelations.
> >
> > Wainaina
> >
> > On 12/14/08, dmakali at yahoo.com
> <dmakali at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> That's not true. You have obviously
> exaggerated in trying to put across your
> >> cheap propaganda. Ndemo was on k24 this morning
> and he was of course not
> >> opposing the bill. Plus, you should ask yourself,
> who has come out to
> >> support the bill and not been given airtime.
> >> Yes, the media is campaigning, but it has not yet
> agreed or employed any of
> >> the strategies you have listed. Their time is
> coming.  And we don't need to
> >> go to previous regimes to show brutal attacks
> against the media. The worst
> >> have taken place under the current regime!
> >> You have more to be grateful than disgusted with
> the media. Be just a little
> >> more reflective and considerate otherwise your
> diabolical hatred of the
> >> media lacks foundation.
> >> David
> >> Sent from my BlackBerry(R) wireless device
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: "Wainaina Mungai"
> <wainaina at madeinkenya.org>
> >>
> >> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:08:09
> >> To: <dmakali at yahoo.com>
> >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy
> Discussions<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Kenya
> communications (amendment)
> >>      Bill: Is media overacting?
> >>
> >>
> >> The truth is that the "supporters" you
> see on TV, hear on radio, read
> >> in papers are not by accident. The Media Owners
> Association (MoA)
> >> crafted a campaign strategy that includes the
> "media blackout to all
> >> MPs who supported the Bill and The Ministry of
> Information &
> >> Communications".
> >>
> >> According to persons privy to the media campaign
> strategy, we have a
> >> big problem here and it's about time Kenyans
> were told the objective
> >> truth. Unfortunately, the people who own the media
> houses are
> >> determined to use every possible means to ensure
> the Bill is not
> >> signed. You will not hear a supporter of the Bill
> being given
> >> coverage.
> >>
> >> Why?
> >>
> >> The strategy is clearly not intended to yield an
> objective result. The
> >> intention is to shape public opinion even through
> biased reporting.
> >> The strategy includes:
> >>
> >> 1. Ensure President dioesn't sign the Bill, by
> publicly petitioning him.
> >> 2. Take advantage of Jamhuri Day to show images of
> raids conducted by
> >> previous regimes.
> >> 3. Run a media campaign that includes 'same
> headline' in all papers
> >> and similar headlines on electronic media.
> >> 4. Shape public opinion through campains and show
> that the Bill is
> >> unconstitutional...etc etc
> >> 5. Blackout all supporters of the Bill, Ministry
> & only invite civil
> >> society players who support the interests of the
> media. Keep watching
> >> and you'll notice the biased reporting.
> >> 6. The coverage of the issue in the weekend papers
> (circulation) is
> >> also part of the strategy. This will not stop
> until the President
> >> yields to the Media's agenda.
> >>
> >> The media has the right to petition the President
> but the problem with
> >> their campaign is that Media Owners have actually
> agreed not to cover
> >> the issue objectively. They have conspired to
> shape public opinion by
> >> all possible means including excluding all those
> who have a different
> >> opinion.
> >>
> >> In doing so, they demonstrate the need for
> legislative regulation. The
> >> nation is now at the mercy of the media and the
> public will only be
> >> fed with one side of the story.
> >>
> >> Over to you.
> >> Wainaina
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/14/08, Kinuthia Muchane
> <muchanek at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Habari,
> >>> Maybe the media is overacting, maybe the the
> MPs are wrong... But one
> >>> interesting thing about this issue is the
> timidity of the MPs, to begin
> >>> with, in the news all I am hearing are our
> dear elected representatives
> >>> vowing their undying support for all sorts of
> freedom, including that of
> >>> Press, so my question is, isn't there one,
> single MP who supported
> >>> passing of the Bill who can come out in
> defence of his or her stand? Or
> >>> is it because they always pander to the Press,
> they do not want to be
> >>> seen in 'bad' light .
> >>>
> >>> On the other hand, most of us take what we
> hear on the radio or watch on
> >>> TV as gospel truth, and the unfortunate fact
> of life is that the
> >>> majority of us have no other source of 
> information, or do not seek other
> >>> avenues of
> >>> getting information, a fact very well
> >>> known by members of the so called "Fourth
> Estate". So when they drench
> >>> us with "details" about the dangers
> of the bill's amendment no matter how
> >>> skewed their
> >>> opinion is, we will believe them hook, line
> and sinker!
> >>> If you ask me, in a country like ours with a
> very shaky social,
> >>> political and economic foundation, these
> merchants of
> >>> "information" should be very closely
> and regularly monitored, a Radio
> >>> Mille Collines can happen here very easily...
> >>> In any case, ain't all these media
> 'houses' just commercial enterprises
> >>> out to make a tidy profit?
> >>>
> >>> Kinuthia...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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