[kictanet] Breath in (x3), Edit, then send.
alice
alice at apc.org
Fri Sep 14 20:29:47 EAT 2007
Thanks Walu, Alex...And a gentle reminder of the rules:
Mind your manners -
* Be polite - virtual members are real not a cyberspace borg with no
feelings.
* Watch your words - They can’t see your face, and the emotions in
words can get misinterpreted.
* Kick the bad language - People are listening.
* Laws are laws - What’s real in the real world are the same in
cyberspace.
* Don’t send rude or offensive e-mails or postings.
* Newbie tolerance - You’re an expert in cyberspace, don’t forget
there are newbie’s trying to learn as much as you had to.
* Be ethical in your posting. Don't lie, plagiarize, or deliberately
do harm to another KICTANet forum user.
best
alice
John Walubengo wrote:
> I must agree with Alex,
>
> sometimes one does get quite heated-up online and unleashes
> lines that if read by third parties sound quite on the
> edge/offensive.
>
> Here's what I have learnt to do when i feel the blood
> boiling in my throat and want to hit back. I always
> Breath in (x3), Edit the text, then send.
>
> As they often say - we may not agree on the issues, but can
> at least agree to disagree diplomatically.
>
> walu.
> --- Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>> I know that I am usually hard hitting at my opposition
>> discussants, but I am feel expressions used below are
>> uncalled for no matter how opposed the writer's view
>> is.
>>
>> --- Joseph Manthi <jmanthi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Sean,
>>> You of all people, a man living in England, reaping
>>> wealth from the
>>> ignorance of Africans, should not be making comments
>>> like these. You
>>> do not want Africans to realize what is going on. Do
>>> not wake a
>>> sleeping giant. It is high time we started taking
>>> care of our own. Why
>>> do you think that what SA is doing is "Rubbish"?
>>> Doesn't this
>>> honourable minister have the right to protect SA
>>> assets from nyangaus
>>> like you?
>>>
>>> I wish every African government is like South Africa
>>> where we can weed
>>> off foreign ownership of African assets.
>>>
>>> Bravo SA.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> On 9/13/07, Sean Moroney <seanm at aitecafrica.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, the security angle struck me as typical
>>>>
>>> Newspeak from a regime that can
>>>
>>>> get away with rubbish like that where there is no
>>>>
>>> effective opposition. How
>>>
>>>> like their Apartheid forebears they sound!
>>>>
>>>> Sean Moroney
>>>> Chairman
>>>> AITEC Africa
>>>> seanm at aitecafrica.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From:
>>>>
> kictanet-bounces+seanm=aitecafrica.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>
> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+seanm=aitecafrica.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke]
>
>>> On
>>>
>>>> Behalf Of Kai Wulff
>>>> Sent: 12 September 2007 12:54
>>>> To: seanm at aitecafrica.com
>>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: SV: [AfrISPA.Discuss]
>>>>
>>> Undersea cable
>>>
>>>> plantangled in acrimony inSouth Africa
>>>>
>>>> I second that!
>>>>
>>>> It is comforting to know that SA will provide
>>>>
>>> security to Africa by
>>>
>>>> insisting on a majority ownership of the cables!
>>>>
>>>> I am sure this attitude will change once Kenya
>>>>
>>> receives capacity @ less than
>>>
>>>> USD 100,- per M ..
>>>>
>>>> Kai
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
>>>> To: <kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke>
>>>> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
>>>>
>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 14:44
>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: SV: [AfrISPA.Discuss]
>>>>
>>> Undersea cable plan
>>>
>>>> tangled in acrimony inSouth Africa
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I used to have a difficult time explaining to
>>>>
>>> fellow Kenyans that it was
>>>
>>>> very difficult dealing with our brothers in SA
>>>>
>>> because at every meeting
>>>
>>>> goal posts kept on shifting. Perharps now
>>>>
>>> everybody understands that the
>>>
>>>> veto power in the NEPAD protocol was a control
>>>>
>>> tool. Below please find
>>>
>>>> additional material.
>>>>
>>>> Ndemo.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cables require local ownership BY DAMARIA SENNE &
>>>>
>>> CHRISTELLE DU TOIT
>>>
>>>> <mailto:damaria at itweb.co.za> [ Johannesburg, 10
>>>>
>>> September 2007 ]
>>>
>>>> South Africa requires that all undersea cables
>>>>
>>> landing here be majority
>>>
>>>> owned by South Africans, says communications
>>>>
>>> Minister Ivy
>>>
>>>> Matsepe-Casaburri.
>>>>
>>>> Speaking at the Southern African
>>>>
>>> Telecommunications Networks and
>>>
>>>> Applications Conference (Satnac) 2007, in
>>>>
>>> Mauritius, this morning,
>>>
>>>> Matsepe-Casaburri said government was happy with
>>>>
>>> indications that
>>>
>>>> investors plan to land cables in the country.
>>>> However, she will soon announce new landing
>>>>
>>> guidelines that require that
>>>
>>>> "all cables " landing in SA be majority owned by
>>>>
>>> South Africans, she said.
>>>
>>>> The guidelines will also be consistent with SA's
>>>>
>>> foreign policy and take
>>>
>>>> the security of the country, and the African
>>>>
>>> continent, into
>>>
>>>> consideration, she said.
>>>> "Every cable landing or leaving SA should
>>>>
>>> incorporate in it the Nepad [New
>>>
>>>> Partnership for Africa's Development] Broadband
>>>>
>>> Infrastructure Network."
>>>
>>>> Security measures are important, given the state
>>>>
>>> of our insecure world,
>>>
>>>> she added.
>>>>
>>>> Matsepe-Casaburri said that she instructed Dep.of
>>>>
>>> Communications
>>>
>>>> Dir-General Lyndall Shope-Mafole to propose the
>>>>
>>> landing guidelines to the
>>>
>>>> Interim Inter-Governmental Assembly for
>>>>
>>> discussion. She also noted that
>>>
>>>> her department studied the communications
>>>>
>>> regulations of other countries
>>>
>>>> when drafting the landing guidelines, ensuring
>>>>
>>> they are consistent with
>>>
>>>> international trends.
>>>>
>>>> Determination expected
>>>> BMI-TechKnowledge senior analyst Richard Hurst
>>>>
>>> says the implications of
>>>
>>>> the ownership stipulations are that "those who do
>>>>
>>> end up rolling out
>>>
>>>> cables will have to do so via partnerships". He
>>>>
>>> cites Seacom and Neotel's
>>>
>>>> interaction as an example of this, where "Neotel
>>>>
>>> basically would control
>>>
>>>> the landing rights of Seacom in SA".
>>>> According to Hurst, "government is trying to hedge
>>>>
>>> its bets", but the
>>>
>>>> stipulations set out by the minister have
>>>>
>>> generally been expected. He says
>>>
>>>> South African companies should benefit from the
>>>>
>>> directives, as should the
>>>
>>>> consumer.
>>>> "It should open up access to those cables and
>>>>
>>> bring prices down." He adds
>>>
>>>> that, as the international community moves towards
>>>>
>>> always-on broadband, SA
>>>
>>>> will also increasingly need high-speed capacity.
>>>>
>>> However he reiterates:
>>>
>>>> "The more bandwidth we have, the better."
>>>>
>>>> Investor support
>>>> Meanwhile, Matsepe-Casaburri said SA was convinced
>>>>
>>> it was on the right
>>>
>>>> path to break away from the Eassy (Eastern Africa
>>>>
>>> Submarine Cable System)
>>>
>>>> cable project and support the Nepad Broadband
>>>>
>>> Infrastructure Network, as
>>>
>>>> well as initiating its own undersea cable systems.
>>>>
>>>> She said there was strong support from potential
>>>>
>>> investors in the Nepad
>>>
>>>> Broadband (?) Infrastructure Network. "Instead of
>>>>
>>> people running away
>>>
>>>> from us, we have a lot of support from investors."
>>>> SA and other African governments broke away from
>>>>
>>> the Eassy project because
>>>
>>>> larger operators taking part in the initiative
>>>>
>>> bought such large
>>>
>>>> quantities of capacity that there would never be
>>>>
>>> fair access for smaller
>>>
>>>> operators, she noted.
>>>>
>>>> EASSY project was not in line with the Nepad
>>>>
>>> objective, which was to
>>>
>>>> facilitate fair and open access for all telecoms
>>>>
>>> providers to lower the
>>>
>>>> cost of telecoms on the continent, she said. She
>>>>
>>> noted that SA's
>>>
>>>> Parliament had ratified the Nepad Broadband
>>>>
>>> Infrastructure Network
>>>
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