[kictanet] Faith in local web hosting
badru Ntege
ntegeb at one2net.co.ug
Mon Nov 26 19:41:41 EAT 2007
The hosting issue also depends on the intended market\ audience. Why
host a site locally which will have 80% of it's visitors coming from
europe or the US. This will put low paying traffic on your expensive
link. If the content is local and meant for local access then it makes
sense to host it locally though again here you have the unreasonable
local hosting charges that one compares with the $ 3.99 per month on
some site in the US. If you think with your pocket and have the means
to pay you will take the $3.99 deal against the local deal.
The problem being here that if i do this it is ultimately the service
provider who has the link and also the high hosting rates who surfers by
delivering what could have been local content via the expensive link for
a nominal benefit.
I'm surprised that hosting companies do not have access to the KIXP. In
UG though we are yet to have hosting companies asking for access the
UIXP has a fully open door policy you just have to meet the IP
requirements which are a registered block of IP's and a BGP capable
router. Anyone should be able to peer, though what happens when you
do that is that the incumbents and this time i mean all existing ISP's
who peer will adjust their pricing to enable hosting companies to
co-locate. Thus market forces will invetably come into play.
It might be here that KIXP policys are contibuting to local high hosting
costs. I might be wrong and stand to be corrected.
regards
Joseph Mucheru wrote:
> I do agree with you Wash, though partially, look at Korea they have
> the most bandwidth and most of it is local because most of their
> content is hosted locally. We need to do the same and although
> Satellite bandwidth is expensive, economies of scale plus the time
> difference factor, that means most of the Diaspora use the bandwidth
> when we are asleep, could be factored in.
>
> My two cents!
>
> On Nov 26, 2007 6:41 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo at gmail.com
> <mailto:odhiambo at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> On Nov 26, 2007 1:19 PM, Kai Wulff <kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke
> <mailto:kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Strange!
> >
> > I thought this is what we do since 4 years! A Rack Space, good
> enough for
> > TBs of hosted Webspace is USD 250,- per month. The KIXP link is
> on fiber and
> > international bandwidth can be bought separately!
>
> Kai,
> Doesn't that still support (albeit partially) the cost factor?
> There is also the stability of the links (LL). KIXP is on fiber, but
> some participants' pipes are always full and inefficient. They invest
> more on Int'l traffic than local, just as you'd expect. I believe
> Mucheru's explanation would help out, but in general, ISP are still
> not that generous with their charges either.
> Before we lose track of the original post, there are definately
> pertinent reasons why even some ISPs still prefer to host outside,
> not
> just the webhosting companies, and it kinda comes back to what we all
> know - bandwidth charges - as the major reason.
>
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Joseph Mucheru
> > To: kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke <mailto:kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke>
> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 12:29
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Faith in local web hosting
> >
> > Hi Eric and Washington,
> >
> > There is another way to look at this. Why is it cheaper
> overseas? the
> > obvious answer is that bandwidth there is local. In which case
> the hosting
> > companies are not charged high fees for bandwidth. The infact
> primarily pay
> > for peering with other networks. In our case we are yet to give
> hosting
> > companies access to the IXP.
> >
> > One way to solve this is for ISPs to provide an "unbundled"
> hosting service;
> > a) Local part $x per MB
> > b) International part $x per MB
> > c) Rack Space $x
> >
> > With such a setup it is much easier for webhosting companies to
> emerge and
> > be very creative and at the same time compete with international
> players.
> > This would make the business case better for most hosting
> business and they
> > would not have to pay the high costs. Right now the high
> bandwidth cost is
> > still paid for by the consumer since they still have to access the
> > internationally hosted sites via the ISP.
> >
> > Joe Mucheru
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Nov 26, 2007 7:48 AM, Eric Osiakwan < eric at afrispa.org
> <mailto:eric at afrispa.org>> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Mr. Washington,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You have stated the obvious which is the challenge but let
> me try to
> > share some light on how to solve the problem.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It is really a chicken an egg situation, the localhosting
> business would
> > develop based on demand but like you said demand is relative to
> cost.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > However in the interest of developing our countries and
> continent if we
> > all commit to having country code top level domain (in this case
> .ke) and
> > host them locally, the demand would trigger supply.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On the other hand if the local entrepreneurs can invest in
> > infrastructure and based on market study provide competitive
> rates (with the
> > generic TLDs) then again the supply could trigger the demand.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Having said that, i have noticed something under the sun,
> which is that
> > for some reason African just dont like using what other Africans
> produce so
> > in some ways the former strategy would work better if we deal
> with the
> > attitudinal change.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Eric here
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 26 Nov 2007, at 08:35, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Nov 26, 2007 8:03 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
> <mailto:robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have raised this issue before when I did a search and
> found out that
> > the
> > > > CCK web site was hosted overseas and thus how can we expect
> them to
> > monitor
> > > > the service quality levels of the ISP's.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sunday I visited the Kibaki web site, I experienced
> unstable audio
> > > > streaming so I decided to find out where the site was
> hosted, yes you
> > guest
> > > > it overseas. The other 2 presidential candidates web sites
> are no
> > better
> > > > they are not locally hosted. Is this a reflection of who
> the targets of
> > > > this web sites are?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The Kibaki site is developed by one 3Mice, if I remember
> right, which
> > has
> > > > some association with newly appointed ICT Board Managing
> Director
> > Kokubo.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Robert Yawe
> > > > KAY System Technologies Ltd
> > > > Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> > > > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> > > > KEnya
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It's not the faith the people have in local hosting, but
> rather the
> > > > cost factor. Last time I looked at this web hosting biz, one
> company
> > > > was charging KES 1,000+VAT per month, which was what was
> though to be
> > > > competitive. Another one entered into the fray with hype
> about reduced
> > > > costing charges, but I am not sure how much business they
> managed to
> > > > pick. All the same, their charges did not compare with what
> is charged
> > > > internationally (I mean in Europe and the US).
> > > > Websites is not something that has caught up with many Kenyans,
> > > > otherwise the volumes would help sustain such businesses
> locally.
> > > > I believe the lack of volumes is one of the factors that makes
> > > > entities like 3Mice to host overseas. Top-notch Kenyan
> techies have
> > > > been hosting their Blog with blogspot (overseas). Bandwidth
> costs is
> > > > another. In Europe and the US, individuals can afford to connect
> > > > 10MBps in their kitchens while in Kenya, that kind of
> bandwidth can
> > > > only be purchased by ISPs.
> > > > One last question though: Do you know any reliable
> webhosting company
> > > > that hosts it's websites locally, and has reliable and efficient
> > > > access to those websites? If there is one, they are not
> marketing
> > > > themselves enough.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
> > > > Nairobi,KE
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