[kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
Eric Osiakwan
eric at afrispa.org
Mon May 21 11:15:11 EAT 2007
You are clear.
My submission was not to withdraw the general framework but the
details of the trade discussion which is somehow being mixed in the
discussions.
So long as we can all live with it.
Eric here
On 21 May 2007, at 09:16, Alex Gakuru wrote:
> I am obliged to respond to Eric’s concerns.
>
> In the just concluded CCK discussions, we lamented over absent
> internet education, may be pointing fingers here and there, but in
> the end did we propose tangible “HOW-TOs”? There are genuine local
> content concerns and fears on what TEAMS fibre will facilitate to
> flow, therefore see this as one local content build-up initiative.
>
> It a non-profit activity, unfounded this far, meant to educate by
> involving ordinary individuals, especially those farthest from
> Nairobi. It shall contribute in making the internet more relevant
> and useful to local community. It will significantly boost demand
> for internet thereby benefiting every ecosystem member. In fact,
> now the fear is on international traffic requests, this circuit
> could end up costly and hurting KDN’s education-demand contribution.
>
> Eric, you also know I am always fighting with KDN on a range of
> issues but I am afraid I agree with them on this one. On this
> background setting, I felt there was a need to be totally e-list
> transparent on this transaction, needless to no individual could
> claim to “own” the content. Dr. Ndemo is in record expressing a
> concern “who would own the rights to cultural content on the web”
> citing Kikuyu Ngurario.
>
> Excuse my perception, but I always consider KICTnet to be the
> convergence “hyde and hide park” where anyone says *anything* with
> every contribution founded on the common beliefs intersection that
> they can contribute to the list vision and mission: -
>
> Vision:
> "To become the focal point for building multi-stakeholder
> consensus on ICT Policy, Strategy and Initiatives."
>
> Mission:
> "To catalyse reform and development in the ICT sector by
> enhancing collaboration amongst the stakeholders."
>
> “hide” for those sitting back and watching events unfold.
>
> I am any clearer now?
>
> Eric Osiakwan <eric at afrispa.org> wrote:
> Gentlemen, this is becoming a trade negotiation and i would submit
> that you consider other interests in terms of the use of this
> platform.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> On 19 May 2007, at 15:10, Kai U. Wulff wrote:
>
>> You see Alex …
>>
>> I leave the talking to the content providers and ISPs. They have
>> to come and propose to me if they like the way I look .. Maybe
>> they can even tell me what to wear as the bride ….
>>
>> Please understand, we listen to the market and saw a need for an
>> infrastructure that can provide free access to the masses. I have
>> an idea what could be done with the infrastructure but asking KDN
>> to DO IT is asking us to go against our believes!
>>
>> I usually complain that the market does not give us sufficient
>> direction and I would like to repeat this here. You see, we commit
>> large amounts of money into infrastructure projects in the hope of
>> uptake of services. Since we can’t dictate the services provided
>> on this infrastructure we are at the mercy of those service
>> providers and their customers.
>>
>> The basic terms will be: Whatever someone wants to provide as free
>> content, will be free (no KDN charge), whatever is charged, KDN
>> will charge a percentage. Since there are millions of business
>> cases possible, I propose we stop the arrange marriage culture and
>> get to know each other first before having the first kiss or more.
>> My aim is not to make you drunk and slip you roofies .. since you
>> know where my house is!
>>
>> And thank you for forgiving me that I am German and that I believe
>> all business is mutual and based on rust and handshake .. I don’t
>> think I will grow old enough to change that!
>>
>> Kai
>>
>>
>>
>> From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke at kictanet.or.ke
>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke at kictanet.or.ke] On
>> Behalf Of Alex Gakuru
>> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 14:48
>> To: kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
>>
>> Unfortunately my culture prevents me from negotiating on "a goat
>> that is still locked up in the goat pen" else I may end up stuck
>> with one without teeth.
>>
>> Also in marriage, we normally send young men "spies" to the
>> girl's home to check on her family history before wazee later go
>> to pay dowry to cement the relationship.
>>
>> I excuse because you are German, but you understand entering into
>> negotiations without first ascertaining the finer details
>> jeopardizes my business culture norms. Kindly publish
>> comprehensive terms to enable me to first study them and
>> determine if they suit my needs. Thanks.
>>
>> But for your immediate business, talk to international mirror
>> services companies such as akamai, sourceforge, etc and get a
>> Kenya-hosted mirror server peered to KIXP here http://
>> ceb.sourceforge.net/private-properties.html#sourceforge.mirrors
>>
>> Kenyan download users will experience extremely fast download
>> speeds, save KDN on international traffic and you will get cash
>> from the those companies and advertisers at your portal. Maybe
>> talk with Michuki of KENIC on akamai clusters.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> "Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke> wrote:
>> Alex,
>>
>> The preferred model would be a revenue share .. not fixed rent ..
>> So why don’t you start for now?
>>
>> Kai
>>
>> From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke at kictanet.or.ke
>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke at kictanet.or.ke] On
>> Behalf Of Alex Gakuru
>> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 13:54
>> To: kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
>>
>> Kai,
>>
>> Save for the "landlord" ( because earthly lords are something
>> else...) your explanation suffices for now, and thank you for the
>> local content effort.
>>
>> Because KDN owns the portal, it would help consumers and VAS
>> providers much if you first published visitors rights and tenancy
>> agreements at the portal, for example, imagine "consumer" Ruto's
>> distress on all his visitors directed to web neighbours.
>>
>> In short, please start by publishing some standard terms of
>> services, use, hire, security, uptime guarantees (you moved your
>> pages abroad..) and most of all the tariffs. These should be
>> independently verifiable by ,among others, the CCK and thanks for
>> the effort.
>>
>> If you terms appeal to me, I may actually hire some space but if
>> they have ropes, strings, or threads attached, I will shout out
>> loud. This is the best self-regulation I know.
>>
>> Let "KDN still believes that infrastructure and Services/Content
>> should be separated" stand out.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> "Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke> wrote:
>> No,
>>
>> We have the “Shopping Mall” to which entry is supposed to be
>> free.. We want now content companies to provide FREE and PREMIUM
>> content on that portal and we will just be the landlord.
>>
>> Alex, as you know, there is only a certain amount of people who
>> can afford the full menu. Imagine, you can have your local news,
>> your political information, E-Learning for free and only if you
>> want to buy premium services like VoD, International connections,
>> VoIP ….. you pay for the service directly to the provider. You can
>> now change the provider at any time if the service levels and
>> prices dictate so ..
>>
>> We are trying to stimulate the market for content creation. Right
>> now, you pay the same if you want to access local content
>> (although the cost for the provider is much lower) like if you
>> access International content.
>>
>> The weekend of the first of May, we had our first trial and got
>> more than 22 000 different users login into the Butterfly, that is
>> 10 times more than usual. That tells me there is a demand that is
>> held back by costs. This weekend we try again, with bigger routers
>> and more capacity. Unfortunately what we have seen, 99% of the
>> requests are leaving the country .. no local content (I even admit
>> that we shifted our webpage for maintenance to abroad but will
>> have it back from 01.06.).
>>
>> KDN still believes that infrastructure and Services/Content should
>> be separated.
>>
>> Kai
>>
>> From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke at kictanet.or.ke
>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke at kictanet.or.ke] On
>> Behalf Of Alex Gakuru
>> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 10:43
>> To: kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
>>
>> KDN also a content company, not just infrastructure? I am not
>> opposed just want to be clear, because it could become another
>> cross-e-media issue.
>>
>> "Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke> wrote:
>>
>> Alice,
>>
>> As you know, we are testing this weekend again how far we can push
>> the
>> Butterfly access and have given it free. In the meantime I would
>> like ICT
>> maternity/fraternity to think about what content we can provide on
>> the free
>> Butterfly portal which can be accessed by EVERYBODY free of
>> charge. CSR and
>> policy related matters could be one of the items?
>>
>> Kai
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke at kictanet.or.ke
>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke at kictanet.or.ke] On
>> Behalf Of
>> alice
>> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:10
>> To: kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
>>
>> Thanks MM yes indeed the ICT maternity/fraternity is a dynamic one
>> and
>> would like to suggest that we try and link ICTs to livelihood
>> issues as
>> Walu suggests and perhaps over chai , as Kanja suggests, present it
>> clearly and simply within that context.
>>
>> best
>> alice
>>
>>
>> Muriuki Mureithi wrote:
>> > Many thanks for the comments that have come through the list .
>> it shows
>> the
>> > dynamism of the ICT fraternity .
>> >
>> > The absence of the presidential aspirants talks loudly that
>> either they
>> are
>> > not familiar with issues , or if they are familiar they do not them
>> consider
>> > significant at national level or they do not care. Either way we
>> in the
>> > ICT world are proactive people and instead of castigating them
>> let us
>> roll
>> > our sleeves and work with them and make sure they understand the
>> issues,
>> > the significance and why they matter.
>> >
>> > This is an on-going programme and as indicated in the debate and we
>> shall
>> > have another session in July and hopefully the political
>> scenario on the
>> > presidential aspirants will be clearer . For now, to determine
>> who to
>> > invite was based on government of national unity versus the
>> opposition
>> as
>> > broadly perceived in the national political arena. After the party
>> elections
>> > we shall have clarity on who to invite in the next round .
>> >
>> > The overall objective of the project is to ensure that we place
>> the ICT
>> > agenda as campaign issue and we need to show the presidential
>> aspirants
>> > that ICT is an national issue
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Muriuki Mureithi
>> > Team leader
>> > ICT mainstreaming in the Political Arena project
>> > KICTANET
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: kictanet-bounces
>> +mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke at kictanet.or.ke
>> > [mailto:kictanet-bounces
>> +mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke at kictanet.or.ke]
>> On
>> > Behalf Of Brian Longwe
>> > Sent: 17 May 2007 13:26
>> > To: mureithi at summitstrategies.co.ke
>> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
>> >
>> > I would like to strongly echo the sentiments of Lucy as well as to
>> > add my own fury to the fire.
>> >
>> > I was extremely upset that not only did *NONE* of the presidential
>> > aspirants show up - but some of them even went as far as responding
>> > to phone calls by saying "I am on the way, will be there in 20
>> > minutes"...... then never turning up..... can you imagine that?
>> > Treating the Kenyan ICT community like a spurned girlfriend or
>> > boyfriend?
>> >
>> > Anyway I think that the message that has been sent by the
>> absence of
>> > every single one of the aspiring presidents was very LOUD and
>> CLEAR -
>> >
>> > " We don't care about ICT - it doesn't factor in our vision - it is
>> > unimportant to us"
>> >
>> > As very precisely put by someone I overheard at the meeting -
>> "these
>> > aspiring presidents probably don't even know how to spell ICT"
>> >
>> > We must make a loud and strong statement about his and ensure that
>> > the wider Kenyan community realises the true colours of their
>> > "wannabe" presidents.
>> >
>> > Brian
>> >
>> > On May 17, 2007, at 12:26 PM, John Walubengo wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> LK,
>> >>
>> >> u sound a bit disappointed. Unfortunately i didnt attend
>> >> the function and would like to know who really turned up
>> >> from the presidential aspirants and what they said...
>> >>
>> >> Michuki, any hope for the text transcript? Or Becky could
>> >> give us a brief the old way in form of minutes/updates/etc?
>> >> Then from there the absentees like me could contribute more
>> >> intelligently on the way forward...
>> >>
>> >> walu.
>> >>
>> >> --- Lucy Kimani wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> All,
>> >>>
>> >>> I am just venting on the dismal performance of our
>> >>> aspiring presidential
>> >>> candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in
>> >>> leadershipship positions
>> >>> let alone those aspiring for the same confirm their
>> >>> attendance to a
>> >>> certain function and then not show up or best case
>> >>> scenario show up 2-3
>> >>> hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans
>> >>> accept this
>> >>> behavior, and I am at a loss!
>> >>>
>> >>> Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to
>> >>> start demanding
>> >>> accountability in that when one says they will attend a
>> >>> function then they
>> >>> should keep to their word, after all why are electing
>> >>> people whose word
>> >>> doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also
>> >>> have busy work lives
>> >>> and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were
>> >>> doing to sit down
>> >>> to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about
>> >>> ICT is a
>> >>> testament to how important we feel ICT to be to the
>> >>> country.
>> >>>
>> >>> I am one for making strong statements, and a one page ad
>> >>> expressing our
>> >>> displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared
>> >>> of facing a
>> >>> serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of
>> >>> them stands in ICT
>> >>> would be in order! I am sure if it was one of those
>> >>> meetings where fans
>> >>> are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is
>> >>> asking any serious
>> >>> questions they probably would show up, we need to start
>> >>> demanding more
>> >>> from our politicians!
>> >>>
>> >>> Just my thoughts!
>> >>>
>> >>> LK
>> >>>
>> >>>
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