[kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable

Sat May 19 14:48:13 EAT 2007

Unfortunately my culture  prevents me from negotiating on "a goat that is still locked up in the goat pen" else I may end up stuck with one without teeth. 

Also in marriage, we normally send young men "spies" to the girl's  home to check on her family history before wazee later go to pay dowry to cement the relationship.

I excuse because you are German, but you understand entering into negotiations without first ascertaining the finer details jeopardizes my business culture norms. Kindly publish comprehensive terms to enable me to  first study them and determine if they suit my needs. Thanks.

But for your immediate business, talk to international mirror services companies such as akamai,  sourceforge, etc and get a Kenya-hosted  mirror server peered to KIXP  here  http://ceb.sourceforge.net/private-properties.html#sourceforge.mirrors

Kenyan download users will experience extremely fast download speeds, save KDN on international traffic and you will get cash from the those companies and advertisers at your portal. Maybe talk  with Michuki of KENIC on akamai clusters.

Alex   

"Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke> wrote:        v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}        st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }                     Alex,

  The preferred model would be a revenue share .. not fixed rent .. So why don’t you start for now?

  Kai

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  From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke at kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke at kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru
 Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 13:54
 To: kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke
 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable

  Kai,

 Save for the "landlord" ( because earthly lords are something else...) your explanation suffices for now, and thank you for the local content effort.

 Because KDN owns the portal, it would help consumers and VAS providers much if you first published visitors rights and tenancy agreements at the portal, for example, imagine "consumer" Ruto's distress on all his visitors directed to web neighbours.

 In short, please start by publishing some standard terms of services, use, hire, security, uptime guarantees (you moved your pages abroad..) and most of all the tariffs. These should be independently verifiable by ,among others, the CCK and thanks for the effort.

 If you terms appeal to me,  I may actually hire some space but if they have ropes, strings, or threads attached, I will shout out loud. This is the best self-regulation I know.

 Let "KDN still believes that infrastructure and Services/Content should be separated" stand out.

 Regards,

 Alex  

 "Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke> wrote:
                               No,

    We have the “Shopping Mall” to which entry is supposed to be free. We want now content companies to provide FREE and PREMIUM content on that portal and we will just be the landlord.

    Alex, as you know, there is only a certain amount of people who can afford the full menu. Imagine, you can have your local news, your political information, E-Learning for free and only if you want to buy premium services like VoD, International connections, VoIP 
.. you pay for the service directly to the provider. You can now change the provider at any time if the service levels and prices dictate so .. 

    We are trying to stimulate the market for content creation. Right now, you pay the same if you want to access local content (although the cost for the provider is much lower) like if you access International content.

    The weekend of the first of May, we had our first trial and got more than 22 000 different users login into the Butterfly, that is 10 times more than usual. That tells me there is a demand that is held back by costs. This weekend we try again, with bigger routers and more capacity. Unfortunately what we have seen, 99% of the requests are leaving the country .. no local content (I even admit that we shifted our webpage for maintenance to abroad but will have it back from 01.06.).

    KDN still believes that infrastructure and Services/Content should be separated.

    Kai

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    From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke at kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke at kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru
 Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 10:43
 To: kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke
 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable

    KDN also a content company, not just infrastructure? I am not opposed  just want to be clear, because it could become another cross-e-media issue.  

 "Kai U. Wulff" <kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke> wrote:

 Alice,

 As you know, we are testing this weekend again how far we can push the
 Butterfly access and have given it free. In the meantime I would like ICT
 maternity/fraternity to think about what content we can provide on the free
 Butterfly portal which can be accessed by EVERYBODY free of charge. CSR and
 policy related matters could be one of the items?

 Kai
 -----Original Message-----
 From: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke at kictanet.or.ke
 [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke at kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of
 alice
 Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:10
 To: kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke
 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable

 Thanks MM yes indeed the ICT maternity/fraternity is a dynamic one and 
 would like to suggest that we try and link ICTs to livelihood issues as 
 Walu suggests and perhaps over chai , as Kanja suggests, present it 
 clearly and simply within that context.

 best
 alice

 Muriuki Mureithi wrote:
 > Many thanks for the comments that have come through the list . it shows
 the
 > dynamism of the ICT fraternity . 
 >
 > The absence of the presidential aspirants talks loudly that either they
 are
 > not familiar with issues , or if they are familiar they do not them
 consider
 > significant at national level or they do not care. Either way we in the
 > ICT world are proactive people and instead of castigating them let us
 roll
 > our sleeves and work with them and make sure they understand the issues,
 > the significance and why they matter. 
 >
 > This is an on-going programme and as indicated in the debate and we
 shall
 > have another session in July and hopefully the political scenario on the
 > presidential aspirants will be clearer . For now, to determine who to
 > invite was based on government of national unity versus the opposition
 as
 > broadly perceived in the national political arena. After the party
 elections
 > we shall have clarity on who to invite in the next round . 
 >
 > The overall objective of the project is to ensure that we place the ICT
 > agenda as campaign issue and we need to show the presidential aspirants
 > that ICT is an national issue 
 >
 > 
 >
 > Muriuki Mureithi
 > Team leader
 > ICT mainstreaming in the Political Arena project 
 > KICTANET
 >
 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke at kictanet.or.ke
 > [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke at kictanet.or.ke]
 On
 > Behalf Of Brian Longwe
 > Sent: 17 May 2007 13:26
 > To: mureithi at summitstrategies.co.ke
 > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Holding our Leaders Accountable
 >
 > I would like to strongly echo the sentiments of Lucy as well as to 
 > add my own fury to the fire.
 >
 > I was extremely upset that not only did *NONE* of the presidential 
 > aspirants show up - but some of them even went as far as responding 
 > to phone calls by saying "I am on the way, will be there in 20 
 > minutes"...... then never turning up..... can you imagine that? 
 > Treating the Kenyan ICT community like a spurned girlfriend or 
 > boyfriend?
 >
 > Anyway I think that the message that has been sent by the absence of 
 > every single one of the aspiring presidents was very LOUD and CLEAR -
 >
 > " We don't care about ICT - it doesn't factor in our vision - it is 
 > unimportant to us"
 >
 > As very precisely put by someone I overheard at the meeting - "these 
 > aspiring presidents probably don't even know how to spell ICT"
 >
 > We must make a loud and strong statement about his and ensure that 
 > the wider Kenyan community realises the true colours of their 
 > "wannabe" presidents.
 >
 > Brian
 >
 > On May 17, 2007, at 12:26 PM, John Walubengo wrote:
 >
 > 
 >> LK,
 >>
 >> u sound a bit disappointed. Unfortunately i didnt attend
 >> the function and would like to know who really turned up
 >> from the presidential aspirants and what they said...
 >>
 >> Michuki, any hope for the text transcript? Or Becky could
 >> give us a brief the old way in form of minutes/updates/etc?
 >> Then from there the absentees like me could contribute more
 >> intelligently on the way forward...
 >>
 >> walu.
 >>
 >> --- Lucy Kimani wrote:
 >>
 >> 
 >>> All,
 >>>
 >>> I am just venting on the dismal performance of our
 >>> aspiring presidential
 >>> candidates, I have noticed a trend where those in
 >>> leadershipship positions
 >>> let alone those aspiring for the same confirm their
 >>> attendance to a
 >>> certain function and then not show up or best case
 >>> scenario show up 2-3
 >>> hours late. I keep asking myself why do we as Kenyans
 >>> accept this
 >>> behavior, and I am at a loss!
 >>>
 >>> Actually, my pesa nane is that we as the citizens need to
 >>> start demanding
 >>> accountability in that when one says they will attend a
 >>> function then they
 >>> should keep to their word, after all why are electing
 >>> people whose word
 >>> doesnt count for much? Additionally, most of us also
 >>> have busy work lives
 >>> and the fact that we were willing to stop what we were
 >>> doing to sit down
 >>> to hear what these aspiring candidates have to say about
 >>> ICT is a
 >>> testament to how important we feel ICT to be to the
 >>> country.
 >>>
 >>> I am one for making strong statements, and a one page ad
 >>> expressing our
 >>> displeasure and questioning why the candidates are scared
 >>> of facing a
 >>> serious group of citizens wanting to know where each of
 >>> them stands in ICT
 >>> would be in order! I am sure if it was one of those
 >>> meetings where fans
 >>> are shouting at the top of their voices, and no one is
 >>> asking any serious
 >>> questions they probably would show up, we need to start
 >>> demanding more
 >>> from our politicians!
 >>>
 >>> Just my thoughts!
 >>>
 >>> LK
 >>>
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