[kictanet] of SILENT DEMO and IS Auditors

Fri Aug 17 10:30:49 EAT 2007

--- Benjamin Makai <benmakai at yahoo.com> wrote:
...snip> In ICT  evidence is key to an concern raised and
at what level it  happened....do we have auditors..more so
systems and  processes auditors in this list? <snip
------
Ben, I was challenged by the above statement and felt I
could take the opportunity to confirm that indeed the list
has several IS auditors.  Indeed Preston
(preston at k-90ea.com) one of the founder Chair of
ISACA-Kenya Chapter (Information Systems Audit & Control
Assosciation, www.isaca.org) has been one of the guys who
likes lurking silently in the background ;-).

Most of you might be more familiar with the CISA or CISM
exams that are administered by ISACA and are
internationally recognised as the key qualifications
particularly when it comes to Information Security in
business enterprises. 

And just going back to Lizzete's type of concerns, I think
in future, it would be wise to consider ISACA-Kenya Chapter
as one of the bodies that should be included for board
membership in Kenya ICT Board, KENIC Board, KICTANet Board,
CSK Board, etc,etc.

walu.

--- Benjamin Makai <benmakai at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Theuri !!
>   My questions still upholds.. at what stage or  phase 
> of the process can one cite and say it is where things
> went wrong? Enlighten us....please !!
>    
>   I beleive in evidence..Am not in governemnt nor am in
> evidenceless scenarios.... We  can only learn by
> highlighting where their was deviation from the norms or
> agreed ways acceptable by all standards..proffessional,
> political etc.......Lets not just be a a list of people
> who support anything based on nothing.
>    
>   Educate others whom may share my concerns,at what stage
> of bill making process things went wrong..Lets brainstorm
> on possible causes of this, and at the same time identify
> the solutions to this now and in future..By doing so,
> then we shall be building a healthy nation.....In ICT
> evidence is key to an concern raised and at what level it
> happened....do we have auditors..more so systems and
> processes auditors in this list? 
>    
>   Think of it and ask what can be done to ensure minimal
> people will not pass what we dont agree on in the future 
> and how all stakeholders opinions can always be factored
> in any situation be it that is being effected by
> technocrats, politicians etc for they are not the final
> say...and dwell on what is practical and realistic using
> approved and acceptable measures and indicators.
>    
>   Thats whats interest towards a common goal is all
> about...not minitutes of fame through demos....and
> uncalled for immature actions.
>    
>    
>    
>    
>   
> mike.theuri at gmail.com> 
> Mike Theuri <wrote:
>   Press freedom is often a measure of a society's
> openness and
> suitability of practising business in a free society. The
> government's
> willingness to uphold constitutional freedoms and rights
> is another
> measure by which investors can gauge whether the
> government supports
> an open society and whether that government is able to
> respect and
> follow the laid down laws. Unfortunately the law making
> process failed
> to follow ordinary norms when the clause was passed by a
> small
> minority not representative of tthe majority represented
> in parliament
> and were it not for freedom of expression the law would
> likely have
> made it into the books.
> 
> Would we as a country rather receive negative press like
> Zimbabwe
> which recently passed a law to conduct wide spread
> surveillance or
> receive recognition as being a law abiding country which
> has room for
> differing opinions and a thriving media?
> Can anyone expect any cautious investor to invest in
> Zimbabwe with
> enthusiasm given such negative publicity:
> 
> "HARARE (Reuters) - Zimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe
> has signed into
> law an act enabling state security agents to monitor
> phone lines, mail
> and the Internet, a government notice published on Friday
> said."
> http://africa.reuters.com/top/news/usnBAN436752.html
> 
> compare this to the following international media reports
> which
> recognise that we have come a long way from a time when
> freedoms were
> often suppressed and attacked but which are also
> cognisant that we're
> not perfect:
> 
> "The media has had greater freedom under Kibaki than
> during the
> 24-year rule of his predecessor Daniel arap Moi, when
> reporters were
> routinely harassed and sometimes tortured."
>
http://africa.reuters.com/country/KE/news/usnL15846976.html
> 
> According to an insider Member of Parliament and former
> VP, it is
> apparent the government has possibly breached its ability
> to be
> trusted, though his opinions will likely be attacked as
> the opinions
> of yet another politician, the opinion piece is worth
> reading. The 5
> Ds strategy of government was rather intriguing:
> http://allafrica.com/stories/200708150788.html
> 
> Peaceful demonstrations are recognised the world over for
> achieving
> positive results the world over. Countries which have had
> open
> societies for many decades or centuries support the right
> to
> peacefully and lawfully demonstrate, to attack this
> fundamental and
> constitutionally protected right sends the wrong message
> about the
> country we live in.
> 
> Just to illustrate a recent parallel, a few weeks back,
> legal high
> skilled immigrants in the US engaged in various forms of
> peaceful
> demos from sending flowers to peaceful marches. The
> result was that a
> mere minority of the US work population 0.07% managed to
> reverse a
> terrible government decision by making the impact of the
> government's
> actions known and understood:
> 
> The actions:
>
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/jul2007/db20070713_687551.htm
> The results:
>
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/jul2007/db20070717_923080.htm
> 
> In both cases, the legislative bodies failed to perform,
> in one case
> failing to pass a bill and in the other "sneaking" in a
> constitutionally debatable clause into a bill and passing
> it by a less
> than a 50% quorum. Had those affected in both countries
> kept quiet, it
> is likely they would have gone on to become the victims
> of legislative
> bodies that did seem keen on listening without them being
> vocal. This
> is what democracy is about, a thriving democracy is key
> to the country
> to being seen positively as an investment and business
> destination.
> 
> 
> On 8/16/07, Alex Gakuru wrote:
> > --- Benjamin Makai wrote:
> >
> > > as we strive towards being an
> > > outsourcing destinations, demos dont reflect very
> > > well. We should try to minimize or totally avoid
> > > them and enter into meaningful dialog where
> > > possible.
> > >
> >
> > You would not be suggesting that as we strive to
> > achieve outsourcing destination all else totally
> > stops? As for dialog - to me this demo was about
> > journalists raising the conscience of our hard-working
> > nation to reform and chance the ways of the political
> > culture of breaking long dialog and hard-earned
> > promises. That's all really.
> >
> >
> 
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