[kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet 2.0
Joseph Mucheru
mucheru at google.com
Sat Apr 14 09:42:47 EAT 2012
Harry/Gilda Et all,
Following this whole discussion I can help but conclude the country have
moved to a different stage in the development of the ICT sector. In the
past we came together because there were major issues we needed to deal
with. The face 2 face was even important to ensure we framed the issues
well for the stakeholders.
- We have a policy framework in place (an evolving one)
- The market is competitive (call rates and internet rates are low)
- We are leading in innovations in mobile money globally (mpesa)
- iHub and other open community spaces are doing well - look at the
mlab<http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/MLab++gets+Sh1+31+billion+financial+boost+/-/1248928/1380044/-/t1p59dz/-/index.html>
Content
and other funding (Billions of shillings)
- John Waibochi is winning global competitions with virtual city
- Cables landed - 4G and evolving
- etc ....
- We still have some legacy issues (Telkom and Posta) - But we know
there are qualified people dealing with them amongst others
Am not saying things are perfect, only that we have not identified an
obvious national cross cutting issue to rally everyone around. Konza is a
great but most people I have talked to are not clear how to engage (yet
they do not want to be left out).
May I propose an action for this list. Paint a picture of Kenya's ICT
sector in 2020. By this I mean, what do we all think Kenya's ICT sector
will/can look like in next 10 years.
This will allow each of us to reflect of what we are doing today and how we
can impact that vision of tomorrow.
Thanks
Joe
My view is we have exhausted discussions on setting a suitable framework
and what we need is to move to the next level
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
> Thanks so much Gilda.****
>
> ** **
>
> Actually, therein lies the conundrum – How to grow the forum potential
> that we have? How to spur on such a huge base as****
>
> per Washington’s stats, to a wider participation/engagement for mutual
> benefit of all, the nation and beyond. Debate here****
>
> on the good days can really, really be rich in content at the same time
> being informative & Educative.****
>
> ** **
>
> Secondly, as Edwin earlier on stated, on those good days when debate –
> deliberation & conclusions is at its best, we****
>
> unfortunately do not have mechanisms in place to follow this through with
> the decision makers – effectively influencing ****
>
> policy. How do we address this..? It won’t just be enough to build up an
> archive for PhD students out of the Kictanet****
>
> repositories.. Let these deliberations make a difference that can count in
> this country. ****
>
> ** **
>
> That is Kictanet..****
>
> ** **
>
> Harry****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Gilda Odera [mailto:godera at skyweb.co.ke]
> *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 5:26 PM
>
> *To:* harry at comtelsys.co.ke
> *Cc:* kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into
> KICTAnet 2.0****
>
> ** **
>
> Hi Harry,****
>
> ****
>
> I am not too sure the sisters can be any more empowered- short of force
> feeding really!:)****
>
> Those who feel strongly about something tend to drop a line.****
>
> I don't even think it is a gender issue, I am sure if you check out the
> subscriber base you will find that people are just keeping quiet in the
> background but picking a lot.****
>
> ****
>
> How to make it more interactive?****
>
> My suspicion is that many only read one thread and miss out the main
> thread of the debate and depending on what a subscriber has responded to,
> they sometimes "switch off" and do not read any more mails on that topic-
> in the process missing out on some interesting discussions in between.****
>
> I think those who have something burning to say will say it anyway. The
> rest are neither here nor there in the debate so they see no need to
> comment nor read all the threads.****
>
> Maybe on each topic the key Government agencies can be requested to always
> give an opinion- that may generate more participation.And the subject line
> would ensure it highlights " XXX's position on....".- Just wondering.****
>
> Glad to read PS Murage's email to Grace- people are indeed reading
> Kictanet debates. ****
>
> .****
>
> ****
>
> Gilda Odera****
>
> ----- Original Message ----- ****
>
> *From:* Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke> ****
>
> *To:* 'Gilda Odera' <godera at skyweb.co.ke> ****
>
> *Cc:* kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke ****
>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 4:38 PM****
>
> *Subject:* RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into
> KICTAnet 2.0****
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks so much Gilda/Grace for your comments. So possibly from your own
> observation perhaps, how can we make ****
>
> it more interactive and engaging, and attract more participation..? Could
> it be we need to make the environment a little ****
>
> bit more conducive/friendlier and accommodative enough? My observation is
> the sisters are usually too silent. How****
>
> do we empower..?****
>
> ** **
>
> Secondly I do note, in its formative years Kictanet actively &
> professionally ( through representation) engaged a number****
>
> of players on the national stage, such us the Ps, CCK, Govt Depts, to
> shape ICT policy. There have been positive results****
>
> from those engagement sessions (kamkunji). That also seems to have faded
> off..? Any idea..?****
>
> ** **
>
> This is because I have this strong feeling within, that since Kictanet was
> formed with the express objective to engage ****
>
> on a multi-stakeholder platform, there has never been such a time in its
> history as now that we need to engage more, ****
>
> and do so collectively. For instance, I thought this would be a time we
> would be actively engaging on Konza, Cyber****
>
> security, just to name a few… or..?****
>
> ** **
>
> Harry****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke[mailto:
> kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf
> Of *Gilda Odera
> *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 4:08 PM
> *To:* harry at comtelsys.co.ke
> *Cc:* kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into
> KICTAnet 2.0****
>
> ** **
>
> Grace,****
>
> ****
>
> I think it is a cultural thing here. Many people would rather write
> directly to you during a debate, as you say below, rather than voice their
> opinion openly. I am thinking Kenyans are still very shy and scared of
> being seen to "step on another's toes"- just in case their comment may be
> going against someone's opinion. Many would rather hide and comment quietly
> to the person next to them or the person they are close to.****
>
> I imagine that is why there are still so many things that remain unchanged
> in the country that could be changed if people came out and voiced their
> opinions. But the few who write must never feel discouraged as their
> voices are still being heard and they are impacting on so many. It takes a
> few people to bring about change. ****
>
> My thoughts. ****
>
> ****
>
> Regards,****
>
> ****
>
> Gilda****
>
> ****
>
> ----- Original Message ----- ****
>
> *From:* Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga at hotmail.com> ****
>
> *To:* godera at skyweb.co.ke ****
>
> *Cc:* kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke ****
>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 3:36 PM****
>
> *Subject:* RE: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into
> KICTAnet 2.0****
>
> ** **
>
>
> Spot on Gilda. However, it may be useful to hear from some lurkers as to
> why they are not active participants of the forum (there is not so much
> from the sisters :)). Maybe there is something that can be done to allow
> for more participation? I have for example received comments off-list when
> I have moderated debates, and my question to those listers is that it would
> be nice for them to raise the very good comments here on this forum. Again,
> the aim is to strengthen the forum and have it continue to remain relevant.
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> On another note, I have seen some of our discussions here quoted
> authoritatively on mainstream media, as well as on social media. ****
>
> ** **
>
> Ben Akoh, we look forward to reading the findings of your research. ****
>
> ** **
>
> Lets keep this debate live! It is very useful.****
>
> ** **
>
> Rgds****
>
> GG****
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life
> is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go
> forth and rule the World!****
> ------------------------------
>
> From: godera at skyweb.co.ke
> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:12:58 +0300
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into KICTAnet
> 2.0
> CC: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> To: ggithaiga at hotmail.com****
>
> Long live Kictanet- as far as I am concerned.****
>
> ****
>
> Listers,****
>
> ****
>
> I think we need to remember that just like in any other forum, there are
> always the very few who engage in discussions while most do the listening.
> That is typical human behaviour, and it is therefore not odd nor
> is Kictanet dying because not all subscribed listers are actively
> participating.****
>
> Personally, I am quite happy with the forum. And there has been so much
> to learn and listen to in the various debates- very useful.****
>
> ****
>
> Regards,****
>
> ****
>
> Gilda Odera****
>
> ----- Original Message ----- ****
>
> *From:* Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> ****
>
> *To:* godera at skyweb.co.ke ****
>
> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> ****
>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 12:04 PM****
>
> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into
> KICTAnet 2.0****
>
> ** **
>
> Ben
>
> This is a powerful testimony. I do also know of a PhD student whose core
> dataset is the KICTAnet archives. And others who got jobs/scholarships
> arising from KICTAnet posts. I think these are some of the stories that we
> want to hear from the "horses" mouth...
>
> However, on the flip-side, I think we should also welcome the negative
> experiences - or challenges as it were - so that we can improve going
> forward.
>
> walu.
> nb: ave taken the liberty to tweak the subject to include KICTAnet 2.0
>
> --- On *Fri, 4/13/12, Ben Akoh <me at benakoh.com>* wrote:****
>
>
> From: Ben Akoh <me at benakoh.com>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the
> dustbin...!
> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 2:17 AM****
>
> Hi All,
>
> My name is Ben Akoh and I am one of many lurkers on this list, and on many
> others. I am not Kenyan, I have visited the country several times, I will
> be visiting it in the next month, I love it, its people, and have very
> good friends there.
>
> I participated in one of the earlier public forums that helped to shape
> Kictanet and that fed into the numerous fiber initiatives to which you and
> most of us now enjoy: directly when we visit the country, and indirectly
> when we interact with good people like yourselves who continue to pave the
> way for how public consultation can shape future growth and development.
>
> My comments are along three lines:
>
> 1. The benefits of lurkers: Being a lurker is not necessary a bad thing.
> Some of us continue to benefit from this list and learn good practices
> that inform public policy in many other areas. For instance, the Kictanet
> model is replicated across several national discussion lists in West
> Africa and have been suggested as a useful model for public consultation
> on policy issues. Lurkers benefit through propagate the good dialogues
> that emanate from this group in other forums beyond yours. See this as
> Kenya's export to the knowledge and information economy.
>
> 2. Questioning is good: Seeking ways through which this forum would become
> more relevant is also not necessarily a bad thing. Questioning leads to
> improvement. The day that every member of this group thinks that the list
> has arrived (group think), is the day it begins to slowly die a death.
> Thus, a constant review, as someone mentioned, against Kictanet's initial
> objectives is a good starting point; documenting its progress over the
> years through careful research (as another person mentioned) is also
> important. But significant consideration should be given to the medium of
> delivery and how this is relevant to the context of the times. "The medium
> is the message" (Marshall McLuhan). The medium should thus respond to the
> demands of the time. Considerations should be given to those for whom
> policy is deliberated but who do not have access to deliberate in its
> present form.
>
> 3. Kicktanet is one of several model that works: I am currently finalizing
> a toolkit (ebook and wiki) of several models that have worked for
> generating evidence and for seeking consent of those whom policy will
> affect using case studies of good practice models implemented across the
> world. Kictanet and this discussion list is featured prominently as one of
> them. I hope to share the outcome of this research once it has been
> published.
>
> In sum, all these go to say that:
>
> 1. The list is useful to both lurkers and active members.
> 2. Its influence transcends Kenya and contributes to shaping policy and
> policy consultation beyond its borders.
> 3. The medium should respond to the dynamic context of communication
> technologies, and cater to the local context as well as the growing needs
> of its audience - present and future. It should therefore be shaped
> accordingly.
>
> My two bob.
>
> Ben
> A lurker.
>
>
> On Thu, April 12, 2012 8:59 am, Evans Ikua wrote:
> > Now that we have to weigh in, I think this is an important list that it
> > serves its purposes well. If it falls silent for some time, then it means
> > that everyone is happy, which is not a bad thing. When its active, it
> > means
> > that people have issues, and they have a good place and forum to air
> their
> > concerns and opinion relating to the industry.
> >
> > As for the lurkers, they are also good to have. As someone said, one will
> > always speak out when their area of interest is mentioned and they have
> an
> > opinion to share.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Evans
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke>
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Now we talking. Please if you happen to be on this list, but presently
> >> on
> >> “read-only-mode” ( a new phrase I have learnt),****
> >>
> >> please realize you owe it to this noble forum, started by noble people,
> >> with noble ideas at least in a way to leave some****
> >>
> >> mark…****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> So can we ensure that this forum carries the flag up higher and make a
> >> mark in this land and beyond that we can believe ****
> >>
> >> in. Have looked around, do not see any other forum with such
> >> broad/diverse
> >> membership.****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> Let’s keep the ideas coming in..****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> Harry****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> *From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>]
> *On
> >> Behalf Of *Harry Hare
> >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:17 PM
> >>
> >> *To:* harry at comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke>
> >> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the
> >> dustbin...!****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> Hey all, there is a strategy document floating somewhere. I think this
> >> could be a good place to start – see what has been achieved, what fell
> >> by
> >> the way side, identify what is still relevant, plug in new ideas and
> >> strengthen the network. KICTANet should never be allowed to "kick".****
> >>
> >> ****
> >>
> >> Harry Hare****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> Director****
> >>
> >> African eDevelopment Resource Centre****
> >>
> >> PO Box 49475 00100****
> >>
> >> Nairobi, Kenya****
> >>
> >> Tel +254 20 4041646****
> >>
> >> Cel +254 725 650044****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> *From: *Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=blongwe%40gmail.com>
> >
> >> *Date: *Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:57:45 +0300
> >> *To: *Harry Hare <harry at africanedevelopment.org<http://mc/compose?to=harry%40africanedevelopment.org>
> >
> >> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >
> >> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the
> >> dustbin...!****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> If we go back to early discussions about the multi-stakeholder network
> >> known as KICTAnet I recall there being a distinction between the mailing
> >> list participants, and those stakeholders who would actively engage in
> >> KICTAnet "activities".****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> My take is that since there have been no "activities" as such - the
> >> feeling is that KICTAnet has "kicked" to borrow a phrase from
> >> @Harry.****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> I remember there used to be monthly face-to-face meetings which followed
> >> a
> >> particular topic or theme of interest and served as an opportunity for
> >> participants from the various networks to meet within the context of the
> >> "network of networks". At the time there was program funding from donor
> >> to
> >> cover costs of those meetings, this has presumably, run out. Which leads
> >> me
> >> to ask, can we mobilise funds locally? At least for these gatherings? As
> >> they will give a greater element of traction to the organization while
> >> ensuring that it continues to remain relevant within the sector.
> >> Especially
> >> as the melting pot for policy debate.****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> Best regards,****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> Brian****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com>
> >
> >> wrote:****
> >>
> >> Joe,
> >>
> >> Currently listed number is 690 members from diverse backgrounds of
> >> Media,
> >> Academia, Govt, Regulator, Telcos(fixed, mobile, wireless). But as you
> >> noted not everyone is active -80% are often in read-only mode. That is
> >> one
> >> reason I thought we needed new thinking and new approaches...
> >>
> >> walu.
> >>
> >> --- On *Thu, 4/12/12, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru at google.com<http://mc/compose?to=mucheru%40google.com>>*
> wrote:****
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru at google.com<http://mc/compose?to=mucheru%40google.com>
> >****
> >>
> >>
> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the
> >> dustbin...!
> >> To: jwalu at yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com>
> >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
> >> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >****
> >>
> >> Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 2:53 PM****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> I am certainly above 35 and enjoy not only records but also the latest
> >> collaboration technologies "Google
> >> Hangouts<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN38vHZjWXw>"
> >> I agree that we need to review our aim and strategies but we need to
> >> have a
> >> representative forum that allows for that to take place. @Brian you know
> >> many participant on this list are in read only mode.****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> @Walu/@Washington - can you give us an idea of the number of people
> >> actively subscribed to the list? Not the names but the number. This will
> >> be
> >> a good place to start. Dealing with facts and not guess work.****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> Thanks****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> Joe****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau
> >> <solo.mburu at gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu%40gmail.com><
> http://mc/compose?to=solo.mburu@gmail.com>>
> >> wrote:****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> On 12 April 2012 14:26, robert yawe
> >> <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk>
> <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>>
> >> wrote:****
> >>
> >> Harry,****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate
> >> records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over
> >> 35
> >> year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger
> >> crowd.***
> >> *
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C****
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm below 35, but enjoy keeping records, in addition to facebook and
> >> twitter
> >> ****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> Regards ****
> >>
> >> ****
> >>
> >> Robert Yawe
> >> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> >> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> >> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> >> Kenya****
> >>
> >> Tel: +254722511225 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting
> +254722511225 end_of_the_skype_highlighting, +254202010696begin_of_the_skype_highlighting
> +254202010696 end_of_the_skype_highlighting****
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> *From:* Harry Delano
> >> <harry at comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke><
> http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>
> >> >
> >> *To:* robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe%40yahoo.co.uk>
> >> <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
> >> ****
> >>
> >> *Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'
> >> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
> >> ****
> >>
> >> *Sent:* Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55****
> >>
> >>
> >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the
> >> dustbin...!****
> >>
> >> ** **
> >>
> >> Ara..!****
> >>
> >> ****
> >>
> >> Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per
> >> Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?****
> >>
> >> ****
> >>
> >> Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some
> >> thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-****
> >>
> >> · “How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and
> >> leave
> >> it for the dead” ****
> >>
> >> · “The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many
> >> ICT
> >> forums in Kenya, the major one being….****
> >>
> >> · “How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic
> >> leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..****
> >>
> >> · And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes
> >> listed
> >> above, time for a RESET..”!****
> >>
> >> ****
> >>
> >> Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case
> >> study.
> >> Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!****
> >>
> >> ****
> >>
> >> Harry****
> >>
> >> ****
> >>
> >> ****
> >>
> >> *From:*
> >> kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>[mailto:
> >> kictanet-bounces+harry <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>=
> >> comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> <http://mc/compose?to=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>]
> >> *On Behalf Of *Brian Munyao Longwe
> >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM
> >> *To:* harry at comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke><
> http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>
> >> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the
> >> dustbin...!****
> >>
> >> ****
> >>
> >> I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or
> >> not,
> >> has to reassess it's strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust
> >> periodically or risk falling into the shadows.****
> >>
> >> ****
> >>
> >> Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?****
> >>
> >> ****
> >>
> >> As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.****
> >>
> >> ****
> >>
> >> My 2 shillings,****
> >>
> >> ****
> >>
> >> Brian****
> >>
> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J
> >> <jwalu at yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com><
> http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>>
> >> wrote:****
> >>
> >> @Wash,
> >>
> >> Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to
> >> re-juvinate
> >> and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from
> >> KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures,
> >> operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?
> >>
> >> Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been
> >> the
> >> moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and
> >> we
> >> just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have
> >> run
> >> out of ideas or some younger dot.commer <http://dot.com> may just be
> >> sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...
> >>
> >> just my 2pings.
> >>
> >> walu.
> >>
> >> --- On *Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington
> >> <odhiambo at gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com><
> http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com>
> >> >* wrote:****
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Odhiambo Washington
> >> <odhiambo at gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo%40gmail.com><
> http://mc/compose?to=odhiambo@gmail.com>
> >> >
> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the
> >> dustbin...!
> >> To: jwalu at yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu%40yahoo.com> <
> http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>
> >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
> >> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet%40lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >> >
> >> Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM****
> >>
> >> ****
> >>
> >> ****
> >>
> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano
> >> <harry at comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=harry%40comtelsys.co.ke><
> http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke>>
> >> wrote:****
> >>
> >> I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we
> >> might
> >> just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!****
> >>
> >> ****
> >>
> >>
> >> You mean the post-Easter stupor, or??
> >> ****
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Best regards,
> >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
> >> Nairobi,KE
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> +254722743223 end_of_the_skype_highlighting
> >> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
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> >>
> >> ****
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> >>
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